So you are saying you cannot or will not reduce your personal consumption so your piece of the pie remains the same? In that sense...yes population growth is an issue.
OT: Keystone Pipeline Leaks
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Yes it's a helluva drug...don't want anyone smoking ditchweed. I believe you have to smoke the equivalent of a pickup truck bed worth to catch a buzz.
all this talk reminds me of a great joke.
you know why fish cant sing?
cause you cant tuna fish.
Man, I love that joke. and yes i do have the humor of a 5 year old. thats why I always come back to this place.
you know why fish cant sing?
cause you cant tuna fish.
Man, I love that joke. and yes i do have the humor of a 5 year old. thats why I always come back to this place.
What do you get when you goose a ghost?
....A handful of sheet!
Not if the tax credits don't get renewed like they're talking. I just read a story a few days ago about the vulnerable position Musk is in right now. Electric cars have no shot unless the government gives them a large tax advantage.
Interestingly the "leak" occurs just a couple of days before a Nebraska vote on the matter...I'm sure that has nothing to do with what happened to that pipeline...
Too bad they didn't name it the Cavanaugh Pipeline. We have had a Cavanaugh pipeline leak in Nebraska for several years now.
Interestingly the "leak" occurs just a couple of days before a Nebraska vote on the matter...I'm sure that has nothing to do with what happened to that pipeline...
Right dingle. Mass leftist propaganda/sabatoge.
Personally, I would rather get/give a credit for an electric car, than waste hundreds of billions building fighter jets and weapons to point at people overseas. Pick your form of stimulus. I'll take the one that protects the environment/reverses CFCs spewing into the atmosphere instead of the mass hysteria surrounding WWIII.
Here's your Puppet for WWIII dingle. I'm really, really scared...
You do realize that all that gets used for the ethanol production is the starch and that the resulting by-product of ethanol production is a protein rich meal which increases the efficiency of rumen metabolism and decreases the amount of whole corn used to fatten cattle don't you? It's not a zero sum game. There are now ethanol plants running on the methane collected from landfill capture systems as well. So we process corn. We get ethanol, We get corn oil for human consumption. We get distillers by-products some of which is used for human consumption. We get high quality easily digested animal feed. And you're gonna demonize farmers and ethanol for that? It's called value added agriculture and it decreases our dependence on oil. That's why big oil hates ethanol.
They could always file for bankruptcy. I think you are mistaken if you think most new technology isn't subsidized in one form or another. The transcontinental railroad, the automobile, the early electrical grid, nuclear energy, bio fuels etc. , all were propped up by the government in the name of technological advancement and in the greater good of the country (and probably some fair share of political corruptness) and yes even the oil and gas industry received and still receives heavy government assistance.
Not demonizing farmers. But corn for ethanol is not efficient.
You were the one saying electric batteries/solar panels produce toxins and consume more energy than they produce...care to point that mirror at corn as an energy source?
The fact is, electric cars are cleaner, they are more efficient, they are less burdensome on the environment, and they don't consume a resource that is running out ie finite.
Inevitable.
Insofar as they must be charged using electricity that is most likely being produced by coal or natural gas, they are running on a finite fuel. Only when we can efficiently use renewables to make electricity on a mass scale can the claim be made that electric cars use renewable fuels.
But overall I agree with the points you are making. Invest in this kind of infrastructure rather than the military. Yes!
Where does the electricity come from to power those cars? In many cases it's fossil fuel powered power plants. IF it's wind, it takes more energy to build those, put them up and maintain them than they produce. IF it's solar, it takes a tremendous amount of resources and the batteries etc produce a tremendous amount of toxic by-products. IF you can devise your own solar or wind generating power grid for your personal use, GREAT. I'm not advocating against Electric cars or renewable energy. I'm just saying it isn't all that some want to make it out to be and it is a much more expensive alternative. Know the issue not just the emotion.
Coal plants being retired all over the world. Natty has the longest and cleanest shelf-life. Solar will be the answer after the next 100 years. Home powered, battery stored and cars that run on that electricity.
We need oil and fossil fuels for much longer term use, for rockets and spaceships and planes and larger power needs for the much longer term.
Not so I can go to McDonalds, for Christ's sake
I use some solar powered equipment in my business and I can tell you that as of right now it is unreliable and at the times I need it most if it's cloudy, I'm screwed. You can't economically store enough energy with batteries to do many of the jobs that need to get done.
The DAPL crosses the Missouri, right below its confluence with the Yellowstone, within 20 miles of where I live. You didn't hear anyone around here protesting it. Maybe due to the fact there are already at least 5 pipelines crossing the Missouri/Lake Sakakawea within 70 miles from here that have operated for years, one at least since the 1950's, with no major issues.
You also didn't hear any protest from the Fort Berthold Reservation, which is where 2/3rds of the oil produced in ND comes from. I think the media forgot to mention that during the protests. They recently installed a new pipeline across Lake Sakakawea/Missouri River there that no one ever heard about.
Interestingly the "leak" occurs just a couple of days before a Nebraska vote on the matter...I'm sure that has nothing to do with what happened to that pipeline...
I didn't know anything anything about the vote until the news mentioned it along with the oil leak news.
Additionally, it took 600 roll off dumpsters to clean up the mess those "environmental stewards" left at the pipeline protest camps. The state of ND got to pay that tab. And do all the clean up work after the protesters left and went home.
You do realize all this alternative energy was tried out before like the turn of the 20th century it was very unreliable hasn't really changed much to this day, yes batteries are more efficient today than in 1900 but you still can't store enough for wind or solar. My dad said they were so happy to get electricity they could run a pump jack to pump water for the livestock he said it never failed the wind wouldn't blow and the tanks would be empty. I'm involved in production agriculture I'm not out to destroy the land we need to care for it since we can't make any more ground, but I'm also a realist and until they come up with something that can replace a internal combustion engine that is reliable and affordable we have to use oil. And I'm one that would rather buy oil from Canada than from a country that's hates us and wants to kill us!!!
Back from golf. Could feel the limestone seeping...
What do I drive? A plug-in hybrid beatch.
GBR
What do I drive? A plug-in hybrid beatch.
GBR
Why do you insist to burn fossil fuels? Is it fun for you?
It's like seeing a jacked-up truck fly down Military Trail with a ball-sack hanging off the rear axle...
What? A foreign oil company with political friends in high places over promises something? I cannot believe it!
It's up to us to protect our most valuable resource-- our water! I couldn't care less about a Canadian Oil Company's ability to lay pipeline across our great land so that they can export oil to Europe and beyond. Sure, they need to make a buck and there would be jobs short term putting in the pipeline, but we should really be smarter about this issue and not leave it to our bought off politicians.
Exactly what I was going to mention. There isn't a PC way to say "We need fewer people."
Just curious, do people really think this leak was an intentional sabotage?
First that seems crazy (not in the intention) but is it even possible? This pipeline is supposed to be built in a way that it seems impossible to have someone sabotage it. If it wasn’t, then how vulnerable are we for any future sabotage??
First that seems crazy (not in the intention) but is it even possible? This pipeline is supposed to be built in a way that it seems impossible to have someone sabotage it. If it wasn’t, then how vulnerable are we for any future sabotage??
It's not necessarily an either/or situation. Reducing your own consumption can slow environmental hazards in a vacuum but is more than offset by the growth in population.
Recommend googling "Oregon State Family Planning A Major Environmental Emphasis"
Or watch this Doug Stanhope clip for the Cliffs Notes version (sorry for the profanity and lewdness):
"The next time you see a hybrid car with a baby seat in the back, smash the windows out of that car, Fight Club style, steal the baby seat, leave a condom where the baby seat sat, and see if you send a message. Because that is every sanctimonious douche bag who pretends to be part of the solution, when they're the exact problem they pretend to be fighting against."
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