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OT: Keystone Pipeline Leaks

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It seems incredibly stupid to have this pipeline be anywhere close to our water supply.
Good thing there are none! Oh wait.

Side note: I was hunting 20 plus years ago in the sticks with my lab. He came up out of the bottom with what looked like sticky mud all over his legs. It took me a while to think to look down there and investigate..... and you guessed it, oil! The pipeline is exposed in that bottom and it was leaking. Man, I tell you it was crazy how much equipment can show up in the middle of nowhere South-Central Nebraska in 24 hours time! That line still pumps to this day. Most years I shoot at least one deer within 50 yards of that oil leak.
 
Every time I see that map of oil pipelines, I wonder why there are empty spots in the lower 48 states. Obviously the Rocky Mountains are an obstacle, but what about that big white area in the Nebraska panhandle? Then one day, while I was still living in California, I came to visit this really cool recreation of an early German/early Nebraska village that my grandfather helped build in Henderson, NE (tourism plug right here). They had an area devoted to the invention of crop irrigation, and as part of that exhibit was a huge wall map showing the varying depth of the Ogallala aquifer.

I learned something that I did not know that day. As geographically large as the Ogallala aquifer is, the VAST majority of its water, like more than 90%, is concentrated in one very important area. And as you might have guessed now, if you cared to read my rather long story, that area does not currently have pipelines running over it. Feel free to do a Google search for the depth map.

As someone who works in the food business, I am happy with the fact that my company is able to source our feed (corn/soy) made possible by irrigation derived from that very concentrated area of pure, clean water, from right here in the Heartland. I watched firsthand when my competiors in California had to “ship in” water during their drought, and how it nearly destroyed an already wrecked econonomy out there. Personally, I’d prefer we don’t mess with our water. But I do understand the argument for the pipeline. While it might disappoint me personally, I am a believer in people’s choice. I just hope that choice is more thought out than simply supporting a political party.
 
You guys do realize that there have been multiple incidents of people purposely damaging valves etc in South Dakota don't you? I live in South Dakota and have 2 wells on different farm places I own. I wish they had put the pipeline across my land. I'm more worried about the stuff spilled when tanker trains derail.
 
You guys do realize that there have been multiple incidents of people purposely damaging valves etc in South Dakota don't you? I live in South Dakota and have 2 wells on different farm places I own. I wish they had put the pipeline across my land. I'm more worried about the stuff spilled when tanker trains derail.
I hadn't heard, but just out of curiosity, why purposely damage them? I don't see the sense in that.
 
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Every time I see that map of oil pipelines, I wonder why there are empty spots in the lower 48 states. Obviously the Rocky Mountains are an obstacle, but what about that big white area in the Nebraska panhandle? Then one day, while I was still living in California, I came to visit this really cool recreation of an early German/early Nebraska village that my grandfather helped build in Henderson, NE (tourism plug right here). They had an area devoted to the invention of crop irrigation, and as part of that exhibit was a huge wall map showing the varying depth of the Ogallala aquifer.

I learned something that I did not know that day. As geographically large as the Ogallala aquifer is, the VAST majority of its water, like more than 90%, is concentrated in one very important area. And as you might have guessed now, if you cared to read my rather long story, that area does not currently have pipelines running over it. Feel free to do a Google search for the depth map.

As someone who works in the food business, I am happy with the fact that my company is able to source our feed (corn/soy) made possible by irrigation derived from that very concentrated area of pure, clean water, from right here in the Heartland. I watched firsthand when my competiors in California had to “ship in” water during their drought, and how it nearly destroyed an already wrecked econonomy out there. Personally, I’d prefer we don’t mess with our water. But I do understand the argument for the pipeline. While it might disappoint me personally, I am a believer in people’s choice. I just hope that choice is more thought out than simply supporting a political party.
Not all of the Ogallala aquifer lies over the Sandhills. The pipelines are usually sited over heavy clay soils that prevent percolation. Oil also rises to the top of water so IF there is a leak near water it is readily visible and normally recoverable. Much of the concern about the pipeline has been hysteria whipped up by environmental whackos. We need to be mindful of what is going on, but that whole protest thing was a joke. The hanful of Native Americans who started the protest ended up wanting all of the idiots from the east and west coasts to go the hell home by the time it was over.
 
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I hadn't heard, but just out of curiosity, why purposely damage them? I don't see the sense in that.
Exactly. There was no sense to the protests either. They damaged more of the ecosystem with their human waste than a pipeline does during those protests. Tons and tons of garbage. Thousands of gallons of human waste much of which went directly in to a river. Why do animal activists turn lab animals loose only to see them chased around or die a horrible death. Somebody in my area turned loose cows at a packing plant every night for a week to protest animal slaughter houses. Of course those animals were chased and herded and some of them shot when they couldn't be caught. People are idiots. Some people didn't just didn't want the government telling them they had to let the pipeline go across their property and it had nothing to do with the environment. Anti-government people like that would be more than willing to sabotage a pipeline. Some environmentalist whackos will stop at nothing including damaging the ecosystem they supposedly are trying to protect to try to make a point.
 
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Norges Bank, the largest sovereign wealth fund in the world, just advised against buying any more oil stocks.

Outdated technology and dirty. Cars should be electric, powered by solar panels on one's home.
 
I honestly think the pipelines opponants think the aquifer is a big lake under the state where you can drill a hole at Scotsbluff drop in a small submarine and sail to Lincoln.
 
Norges Bank, the largest sovereign wealth fund in the world, just advised against buying any more oil stocks.

Outdated technology and dirty. Cars should be electric, powered by solar panels on one's home.
Of course all the plastics, heavy metals and materials that are used in the batteries etc don't cause any pollution.....:rolleyes: Did you know that a by-product of the electricity generating magnet manufactured for the windmills is one of the most toxic manufacturing by-product on earth. Of course they're all made in China so I'm sure they're containing the pollutants responsibly....
 
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Seeing as Kansas, Oklahoma, and Texas have basically sucked their portions of the aquifer dry, I think Nebraskans would be smart to protect such a valuable resource. Let's face it, Nebraska doesn't have mountains or ocean. It doesn't have oil or mineral wealth. There aren't big cities or tech hubs. The only thing advantage it has over any other state is fertile soil and underground water. As the world population booms, and climate potentially changes, that soil and water is going to be more and more valuable. Jeopardizing it so Canadians can sell oil to the Chinese doesn't seem like a very smart idea, especially since there will be no jobs or wealth creation for Nebraskans.

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Seeing as Kansas, Oklahoma, and Texas have basically sucked their portions of the aquifer dry, I think Nebraskans would be smart to protect such a valuable resource. Let's face it, Nebraska doesn't have mountains or ocean. It doesn't have oil or mineral wealth. There aren't big cities or tech hubs. The only thing advantage it has over any other state is fertile soil and underground water. As the world population booms, and climate potentially changes, that soil and water is going to be more and more valuable. Jeopardizing it so Canadians can sell oil to the Chinese doesn't seem like a very smart idea, especially since there will be no jobs or wealth creation for Nebraskans.

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According to a Navy Seal commander I listened to with multiple years service in multiple conflicts dealing with tribes in different middle eastern countries, the next great conflict on US soil will deal with food shortages due to water shortages. That said, pipelines aren't going to cause food shortages. They could cause isolated local water issues. What's interesting is that we already had contamination of the Ogallala aquifer around Grand Island NE from the Air Force base and weapons depot there after WWII.
 
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Of course all the plastics, heavy metals and materials that are used in the batteries etc don't cause any pollution.....:rolleyes: Did you know that a by-product of the electricity generating magnet manufacture for the windmills is one of the most toxic manufacturing by-product on earth. Of course they're all made in China so I'm sure they're containing the pollutants responsibly....

Don't deflect. Once battery powered cars can hold a 500mile charge, and we get supercharger stations up and running, it makes sense to go battery power.

Solar grids are great sources of clean energy.

If we can eliminate the CFCs produced by car engines and power plants, will go a long way toward reducing pollution and global warming.

It's a good thing.
 
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According to a Navy Seal commander I listened to with multiple years service in multiple conflicts dealing with tribes in different middle eastern countries, the next great conflict on US soil will deal with food shortages due to water shortages. That said, pipelines aren't going to cause food shortages. They could cause isolated local water issues. What's interesting is that we already had contamination of the aquifer around Grand Island NE from the Air Force base and weapons depot there after WWII.

Desalination plants. Lots of desalination plants.

Still, it's a shame about the aquifer. But farmers are draining it the most.

In my view, with 50% of the corn in this country going toward ethanol, we are producing our own doom. Of course, that won't play well in Nebraska.
 
Don't deflect. Once battery powered cars can hold a 500mile charge, and we get supercharger stations up and running, it makes sense to go battery power.

Solar grids are great sources of clean energy.

If we can eliminate the CFCs produced by car engines and power plants, will go a long way toward reducing pollution and global warming.

It's a good thing.
So are you denying that the production of batteries and solar panels produces vast amount of toxic waste and uses a great deal of energy? Did you know that the production, erection and maintenace of windmills (including oil changes for the turbines) uses more energy than they will every produce in their lifetime? It's a political boondogle. The only reason we have electric cars is the TAX CREDITs buyers and the INVESTMENT TAX credits manufacturers get. It isn't feasible and production of the batteries has it's own problems.
 
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Don't deflect. Once battery powered cars can hold a 500mile charge, and we get supercharger stations up and running, it makes sense to go battery power.

Solar grids are great sources of clean energy.

If we can eliminate the CFCs produced by car engines and power plants, will go a long way toward reducing pollution and global warming.

It's a good thing.
I'd like to see roads/interstates/etc, able to collect solar power and distribute it somewhere. With all of the millions of miles of roadway, baking in the sun during the day across the US, surely all of that heat absorbed can be harnessed. Feed it to the stations and use it for the batteries. Or, perhaps a super capacitor that stores the solar energy?

I think we're not taking full advantage of a completely natural source of energy, which could help wean us off petroleum.
 
So are you denying that the production of batteries and solar panels produces vast amount of toxic waste and uses a great deal of energy? Did you know that the production, erection and maintenace of windmills (including oil changes for the turbines) uses more energy than they will every produce in their lifetime? It's a political boondogle. The only reason we have electric cars is the TAX CREDITs buyers and the INVESTMENT TAX credits manufacturers get. It isn't feasible and production of the batteries has it's own problems.

I will put the harmful effects of burning 10s of millions of barrels of oil a day, and coal fired power plants pollution, up against your windmill and battery production toxic waste. I will give you 62 points in this game. And I will cover by halftime.

Look man, it just makes sense. Elon Musk is probably a raging asshole with far flung visions of grandeur but every car maker is moving in this direction.
 
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