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OT: BYD & Chery Chinese Cars

While I tend to agree with you about spending on cars, the term millionaire doesn't carry all that much weight anymore. If you are my age and not a millionaire at least one time over, get ready for that second career as a Walmart greeter.

I used to swear by purchasing late-model used cars, and I agree that it's still the smartest way to buy. But at some point I just found those vehicles very hard to find, so my strategy in recent years has been to buy new, affordable cars and drive them forever. Okay - not quite forever - but I recently kept a couple of vehicles for 16 and 17 years. That probably still costs more than buying a 2-year-old vehicle and keeping it 10 or 12 years, but I doubt that it's a huge difference.
It depends. If you’re only a millionaire on paper mostly due to your house then yeah… enjoy that second career. You probably need a couple million (liquid) to have a comfortable retirement.

I’ve had good luck finding the car I want 4 -5 years old with under 30k miles. My last example was bmw 3 series that was four years old with 27k miles on it. Was $57k brand new.. I purchased for $18k… it has 130k miles on it now and I’m still enjoying the vehicle
 
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It depends. If you’re only a millionaire on paper mostly due to your house then yeah… enjoy that second career. You probably need a couple million (liquid) to have a comfortable retirement.

I’ve had good luck finding the car I want 4 -5 years old with under 30k miles. My last example was bmw 3 series that was four years old with 27k miles on it. Was $57k brand new.. I purchased for $18k… it has 130k miles on it now and I’m still enjoying the vehicle
Yeah that’s a smart way to go. If I favored cars in that price range, I would definitely invest the time to find a great used one. I’m pretty much a Toyota guy these days - one built in Alabama and one in Japan, because they don’t make the model I wanted at their US plants.
 
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Yeah that’s a smart way to go. If I favored cars in that price range, I would definitely invest the time to find a great used one. I’m pretty much a Toyota guy these days - one built in Alabama and one in Japan, because they don’t make the model I wanted at their US plants.
I think Alabama is still part of the US.

Toyotas don’t massively depreciate like bimmers so yeah no point in wasting a lot time finding a used one
 
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You have a way different idea of comfortable than I do
It’s all about your ideal retirement. You’ll need less if reading a book out on the back porch sipping bourbon is your ideal retirement vs traveling internationally every month
 
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Chinese cars aren't built to the same standard. They cut a lot of corners are are usually not as safe in accidents, the batteries catch on fire more, and the batteries don't last as long. If you're going electric tesla would be a much better choice. Now if it's $10k less than an tesla or equivalent than its a discussion. The ccp subsidizes a lot of their products so they can sell it for less than cost to get market share. Not sure the US can compete with that combined with slave labor but maybe robotics will help.
 
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I think Alabama is still part of the US.

Toyotas don’t massively depreciate like bimmers so yeah no point in wasting a lot time finding a used one
Ha! Our two Toyotas are different models. The smaller one might be built at their Mississippi plant at some point, but isn’t yet.
 
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Lotta fake rich people out there. I just don't get that that urge to stretch out a payment on a toy....
this totally fits into my contrarian views... I generally assume that people with more expensive than average vehicles are actually very poor and just putting on a front while those driving older vehicles (as long as they don't look run down) are sitting on fat bank accounts.


I’ve had good luck finding the car I want 4 -5 years old with under 30k miles. My last example was bmw 3 series that was four years old with 27k miles on it. Was $57k brand new.. I purchased for $18k… it has 130k miles on it now and I’m still enjoying the vehicle
This is generally what I like to think about.. been looking at an Audi Q5 as well as an A6 (super interior). I'm just scared to death of the repair bills. I previously did the same with a Passat that was certified, and that came in very handy over the next 2 years to have wheel sensors replaced (1 at a time) but that was such a great highway car.. non diesel and I was getting 40mpg on the highway at around 70 miles per hour. I love the German cars.. curious how bad your BMW has been for repairs?
 
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this totally fits into my contrarian views... I generally assume that people with more expensive than average vehicles are actually very poor and just putting on a front while those driving older vehicles (as long as they don't look run down) are sitting on fat bank accounts.



This is generally what I like to think about.. been looking at an Audi Q5 as well as an A6 (super interior). I'm just scared to death of the repair bills. I previously did the same with a Passat that was certified, and that came in very handy over the next 2 years to have wheel sensors replaced (1 at a time) but that was such a great highway car.. non diesel and I was getting 40mpg on the highway at around 70 miles per hour. I love the German cars.. curious how bad your BMW has been for repairs?
Not bad at all. Oil changes at the dealership are little over 100 but only have to go in every 10k miles. Brake jobs are a bit steep but nothing crazy. New battery was around $400 bc bmw has to register the battery which was annoying.

But overall just routine maintenance … it’s been a good car and still looks good for a 11 year old car. Hoping to get 15 years out of her
 
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was trying to get some bids for doing some minor drywall work a few months back.. none of the illegals I had been calling would call me back and was considering doing it myself, even though I had never done it before. A friend knew of a guy that he sent over, and when he showed up, I knew this guy wasn't going to work out. He pulled up in an all black jacked sky high, F250 or something.. it looked like an 80K truck, and I thought, no way is this guy going to come in at a decent price. He didn't even submit a bid but passed it on to another guy, who also gave me a ridiculous bid.. I ended up doing it myself, but I have a real hard time understanding why some guys do that. If it's really needed for work, I get the work truck, but the >80 grand super duty just doesn't make any sense to me.. unless you're a real big guy, then it sort of does, but contrast that with the actual pickup trucks used in Asia, they are cheaper than even the cheapest new car) .. great little city trucks that aren't that big, and all 3 sides of the bed have foldable tailgates.
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When I see how things work here, then go back to the states, I just shake my head at the way we sometimes do things in this country.

No offense if you have a big expensive truck, but it's not something I will ever own.

While those are handy and cheap. They can’t pull a boat or camper. They aren’t great for highway driving and/or road trips. They can’t go off road and they’re not particularly comfortable for your everyday vehicle.

People say, “Why do you need that big fancy truck?” Well Tristan… Some people need a vehicle that can be a jack of all trades. Some people need a vehicle with truck bed for work. They also need full cab with all the tech cause you haul your family and go on road trips. You need 300+ horsepower cause you need to pull a boat and/or a camper. You need it to be 4 wheel drive cause you go places it’s necessary and/or enjoy off roading.

Those little Asian and European work trucks are good for enough for one single purpose. Hauling light loads in urban environments. Beyond that, they’re useless.
 
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While those are handy and cheap. They can’t pull a boat or camper. They aren’t great for highway driving and/or road trips. They can’t go off road and they’re not particularly comfortable for your everyday vehicle.

People say, “Why do you need that big fancy truck?” Well Tristan… Some people need a vehicle that can be a jack of all trades. Some people need a vehicle with truck bed for work. They also need full cab with all the tech cause you haul your family and go on road trips. You need 300+ horsepower cause you need to pull a boat and/or a camper. You need it to be 4 wheel drive cause you go places it’s necessary and/or enjoy off roading.

Those little Asian and European work trucks are good for enough for one single purpose. Hauling light loads in urban environments. Beyond that, they’re useless.
I agree with what you're saying.. they are strictly city trucks, not doing fast interstate highway miles, and not towing anything.

I would wager greater than 75% of the trucks out there in the US neither tow anything on a regular bases.. the beds, rarely if ever used.. it's all about who has the bigger truck and appearances.. whenever I see the "Big Horn" edition of the RAM, I roll my eyes.. man some of you guys must have the smallest dicks and the biggest insecurities ever..

I do think someone owning a half ton regular pickup who works in construction a reasonable thing. So I am not anti truck, I just think it's been taken to an extreme level and see it more like a clown show than anything else.

I'm not going to pay outrageous prices just to help you pay off your massive truck that in most cases isn't necessary.
 
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I agree with what you're saying.. they are strictly city trucks, not doing fast interstate highway miles, and not towing anything.

I would wager greater than 75% of the trucks out there in the US neither tow anything on a regular bases.. the beds, rarely if ever used.. it's all about who has the bigger truck and appearances.. whenever I see the "Big Horn" edition of the RAM, I roll my eyes.. man some of you guys must have the smallest dicks and the biggest insecurities ever..

I do think someone owning a half ton regular pickup who works in construction a reasonable thing. So I am not anti truck, I just think it's been taken to an extreme level and see it more like a clown show than anything else.

I'm not going to pay outrageous prices just to help you pay off your massive truck that in most cases isn't necessary.
There was some research that showed that 75% of truck drivers towed once a year or less and 35% used their bed to haul stuff once a year or less. You can drive whatever you want but most trucks are pavement princesses.
 
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I agree with what you're saying.. they are strictly city trucks, not doing fast interstate highway miles, and not towing anything.

I would wager greater than 75% of the trucks out there in the US neither tow anything on a regular bases.. the beds, rarely if ever used.. it's all about who has the bigger truck and appearances.. whenever I see the "Big Horn" edition of the RAM, I roll my eyes.. man some of you guys must have the smallest dicks and the biggest insecurities ever..

I do think someone owning a half ton regular pickup who works in construction a reasonable thing. So I am not anti truck, I just think it's been taken to an extreme level and see it more like a clown show than anything else.

I'm not going to pay outrageous prices just to help you pay off your massive truck that in most cases isn't necessary.
In the span of about 10 years trucks went from utility with a little comfort, to comfort with utility. Look at the late 90s models to the 2010ish models. Gas mileage went up too. 18 mpg doesn't sound that good to most people, but it's a big increase from 10 or 12 mpg. These changes allowed a bunch of people to justify trucks that otherwise would have an SUV.

Pretty easy to tell who drives a truck that is used for towing. Do they have a hitch that is left on all the time and looks used, or do they have receiver cover.
 
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Damn. I live in Scottsdale and there is probably a lot of this happening. I knew you could get a 15 year loan on an RV, but not a lambo.

Looks like I'll be spending the rest of my day car shopping.
Not sure if you’re a Ferrari fan or not but that market is in free fall. 360s were exchanging hands for 90-100k during pandemic, now you can snag a low - mileage option in the 60s. Californias in the 50s. F430 ( my favorite) is nearing under a 100k

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Not sure if you’re a Ferrari fan or not but that market is in free fall. 360s were exchanging hands for 90-100k during pandemic, now you can snag a low - mileage option in the 60s. Californias in the 50s. F430 ( my favorite) is nearing under a 100k

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Which auction sites do you frequent? I’m searching for a highly spec’d car and want to make sure I’m looking everywhere.
 
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Which auction sites do you frequent? I’m searching for a highly spec’d car and want to make sure I’m looking everywhere.
Mecum and Cars&Bids.

I usually make it the the mecum auction in Kissimmee but missed the last one. There is auction coming up in Indy - usually good deals to be had
 
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Not sure if you’re a Ferrari fan or not but that market is in free fall. 360s were exchanging hands for 90-100k during pandemic, now you can snag a low - mileage option in the 60s. Californias in the 50s. F430 ( my favorite) is nearing under a 100k

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Thanks. I love them, but I don't fit in them well. Outing myself as a DB, I owned a California for a bit and looked like 10lbs of shit in a 5lb sack. Best looking cars on the road though, IMO.
 
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Only morons or millionaires buy new cars
Not entirely true. Some used models have been marked up so much that it actually makes sense to buy new. This is especially true if you are a cash buyer or get 0% interest. Then hold onto it for seven years and you've recovered the initial cost of depreciation.
 
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While I tend to agree with you about spending on cars, the term millionaire doesn't carry all that much weight anymore. If you are my age and not a millionaire at least one time over, get ready for that second career as a Walmart greeter.

I used to swear by purchasing late-model used cars, and I agree that it's still the smartest way to buy. But at some point I just found those vehicles very hard to find, so my strategy in recent years has been to buy new, affordable cars and drive them forever. Okay - not quite forever - but I recently kept a couple of vehicles for 16 and 17 years. That probably still costs more than buying a 2-year-old vehicle and keeping it 10 or 12 years, but I doubt that it's a huge difference.
You are doing it the right way. Nothing is a better deal than buying a new car. Taking great care of it and holding it for 16 years. The only exception would be to buy a two to five year old vehicle with a high depreciation rate and then keeping that car until it is 10-12 years old or so. I've bought my last two cars new because I didn't like losing the transmission in my Ford truck 10 years ago and it was only at 120,000 miles.
 
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I'm a normal guy in a very wealthy neighborhood. There is a kid close by whose parents let him roll around in a lambo SUV.
I wonder if that family's insurance company realizes that a kid is driving that Lambo? I would love to see that new car insurance quote.
 
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I wonder if that family's insurance company realizes that a kid is driving that Lambo? I would love to see that new car insurance quote.
Good question. But they don't put off the "cost sensitive" vibe. Their house probably goes for 8-10 mil.
 
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