You can put an ICE fire out. EVs you just have to let burn and try to protect surrounding structures.
OT: Electric cars in a hurricane/flood situation
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Anything with Ludicrous mode is too rich for my blood. I have a model Y that I got an acceleration boost for (paid for with referral credits), and it is faster than I need to go. Vettes are great, but I am already putting out too much old white guy vibe.
...agree. In all honesty, if I wanted, it's possible I could inherit the thing, it would mean the world to him to have somebody in the fam get it, but that's just not my thang. Maybe if I had a 6 car garage, that would be my 6th car, maybe.
I am not trying to pick on you, as I like most of your posts, but I feel like you live in bizzaro world where Teslas are roadside burning piles of metal and Jeeps run forever without issue. Full disclosure: I have a Jeep.
I don't know, that Vette sounds like a pretty sweet beer run ride.
...what do you think of first when you see a bright red Vette driven by a 60+ y/o ??? I know what I think, Hahaha. Better for my image to stick with my 2006 Ridgeline!!! Way maniler!!!
What do I think? That dude just got divorced.
I’ll never forget the day I was downtown one afternoon on a Saturday my junior year of high school. I came across one of my sworn enemies from the rival high school with his beloved Camaro on fire. I gave him a concerned smile and kept walking (but mostly smiling) it’s been a really good memory for me
Those new Corvettes are just sick, but I don’t think I would ever be able to own one because I would just feel ridiculous driving it. Look at me. We had this 70-year-old guy at work with a newer yellow Corvette convertible. Pretty sure everybody just pitied him. It did not have the intended effect. Hopefully he enjoyed the grandeur of his mind
If people want an electric car go for it, not my cup of tea. I look at several issues one is charging, people are always in a hurry but they’ll willing to wait 4 hours minimum to charge, how do you kill time at a charging station? The other thing is weather conditions, i understand everything you use draws down the battery like ac or windshield wipers. There was really good article about two women reporter decided to take a Tesla on a road trip. The conclusion was when it was over they were never so happy to pay $4.50 gas
And who doesn't want a 150mi leash when you use one to tow??? I don't get it.
I have 220mile trip each week. If I am taking off on a full charge, I charge once for about 20-25 minutes. The killers of your range on a given charge are cold temps and driving highway miles above 80. Never would I drive across the country, but I drove PHX to San Diego. Charging added about an hour to that trip. This all might be skewed as I don't use my wipers often.
How much of a charge do you get for 25 minutes? Remember the fastest way to ruin a battery is fast charging
It depends. The closer you are to "full" the slower it goes. I rarely ever charge to 100%. If I came to the fast charger at 5-10%, I estimate that I could be at 80% in that time. Also, the rate of charge depends on the quality of the super charger and how busy it is. In that charge time, I will do email, listen to podcasts, logged into Netflix once on the car, played video games on the car with my kids...its not too bad.
I haven't noticed any degradation to my battery range from fast charging once a week. The other charges at home are basically trickle charging. Repeated toping off of your battery will quickly decrease range. That, I know.
In no way am I trying to convince you the EVs have unlimited use cases or are good for everyone. My take is that there is a lot of FUD out there about them, possibly driven by politics and Elon hate.
If I could only have one car, it wouldn't be an EV.
One of your sources seems to agree with the consensus... So thank you for the verification.
"Since 1900, carbon dioxide has increased mostly because of human activity. After extracting fossil fuels, humans burn fossil fuels.
In turn, gases like methane and carbon dioxide become air pollution in the atmosphere. In fact, carbon dioxide has nearly doubled since 1900."
Thanks so much bs out that a best way to find things out is asking, I’m not against alternative methods of traveling or sources of generating electricity, my issue is that it needs to be affordable and reliable. And I still say nuclear power is the best way to go to generate electricity, if it’s good enough for the Navy it should be good enough for everyone
I like the idea of nuclear energy but don't have much knowledge on the topic. The part that makes me cringe is that the sites would be soft (ish) targets for adversaries.
Definitely research it because modern day nuclear is vastly different than what most people understand. It’s safe and the waste products are minimal.
How much does it cost you per kWh at a charging station, if you don’t mind me asking? My research says $0.50-0.60, and I found data that says if you drive 1000 miles an EV will need 250kWh of charging. Doing the math, that comes out to 4 miles per kWh. I even seen one site that said as low as 2-3 miles per kWh. But for these purposes I will go with 4, that breaks down to a cost of $0.125-0.15 a mile. I bought a RAM truck last December and because I pay through an app, I have receipts for every fill up since I bought the truck, looking back through those the average cost of a gallon breaks down to $2.88. My trip meter, which I reset every fill up, usually is right at about 18 miles a gallon. Now I can get 22-24 mpg on the highway, but I will use my in town mpg in this case. Using the average cost of gas and my average mpg, my cost per mile is $0.16. I hear supporters of EV’s say you make your money back on the savings, assuming a yearly average of 12,500 miles, that’s only a savings of $125-437.5. It would take a long time for a person to make up the extra they spent over a similar ICE vehicle.
It's great if you like really, really expensive power. The cost is not just based on the fuel but the crazy costs of abiding to the regulation of the plant.
Yes, I was completely aware you would latch on to that. But without fear I attached it because they had the pie chart, the only truthful thing they posted on their site. As someone in a previous post pointed out researchers need funding to do their research and get paid a salary, unfortunately the entities that will fund it aren’t interested in finding out what the facts show, they are looking for a desired outcome. So if you don’t tell them what they want to hear, then you lose your funding and your paycheck. If this is a serious concern for you, then you should look into the CO2 emissions of private and commercial jets, super yachts, and cruise ships. I can post the data for you, but you might not want to see it, because if vehicle emissions bother you those numbers will make you sick to your stomach.
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I think there is a log in my car of what I paid, but I will have to check... possibly on my phone app. Since that wasn't my main reason for the purchase, I didn't scrutinize the numbers behind the savings. At one point I did some rough, possibly flawed, math on this and came to the conclusion that if I used the super chargers only, it would be about the same outlay as paying for gas on a Prius. Charging at home in off peak hours was considerably less. I think the real winners are people who are driving city miles only. EVs are better there due to regenerative braking, while ICE vehicles have poorer performance in town vs HWY miles.
Just checked my app - $0.15/kWh at home $0.44/kWh at chargers
Residential cost per kWh is about $0.10-$0.12, which is about 5x lower than your estimate. Now, charging station cost could be as high as your estimate, but that could be due to a range of factors that has little to do with the actual cost of electricity including infrastructure, demand limiting, or they didn't like you that day, etc. But charging at home should have significantly lower costs.
Definitely, the savings will be more noticeable if it’s just city driving and charging primarily at home. For travelers, not as good of an option. For someone who drives a truck, if you want it just for looks then might be an okay purchase. If you want to use it as a truck, not so much, towing greatly diminishes their range.
Cool, I guess 99% of scientists in the directly related/involves fields of study are just stupid or in on the great agenda lol.
Btw the "greening of deserts" current phenomenon in places like Africa might seem like a great thing per your "more CO2 = good" argument... But there's plenty of concerns the stupid scientists have about that as well. I suppose I won't bother.
Yes, which is why the first sentence in my post was the question of what it cost him at a charging station.
Yup, also factor in the cost of energy varies from state to state. (as does gas) Hawaii and California have the highest average cost per kWh. ($42 and $39 respectively) Nebraska, coincidentally, has the cheapest electricity in the country at $9.85 per kWh. National average is around $16.00. https://www.usatoday.com/money/home...or example, the state,), according to the EIA.
Nevertheless, charging your EV will cost you 4 times as much in Hawaii/California as it does in Nebraska. Gas prices are also higher in those states, but only about 30-40% higher than a state like Nebraska. Electricity is 400% higher. EV aren’t cheaper. Some of them are really nice/cool. But they aren’t cheaper in either the short term or long term. They’re not significantly better for the environment. Probably worse if we could quantify the pollution impacts of over seas cobalt and lithium mines. And lastly, they’re not as practical as ICE vehicles. (Distance on full charge, charging time, charging availability, performance in cold weather and they’re heavy as hell which has several disadvantages)
Cool cars, some of them, but not ready to replace ICE vehicles. Might get there someday, but they’re just not there yet.
My wife and I grab drinks on patio bars with the tesla parked within sight. Through the app, we make the car fart when people walk by, then giggle like idiots. My math tells me this is 400% more fun than a normal car. It also tells me I have a maturity issue.
The fart feature is the first thing every new Tesla owner is going to show you😅. It’s comedy gold.
I’m old school. I do my own farting. Can’t make the kiddos eyes water and cry in disgust with the sounds in the Tesla.
I didn’t say more CO2 is better, you linked a site where a guy was claiming CO2 levels in the ocean were reducing the plant life, reef, and other living things. I simply pointed out that pollution is the main culprit in killing living things in the ocean. If you take care of the pollution the aquatic plant life becomes more abundant, more abundant plant life processes more CO2.
Photosynthesis
CO2 + H2O + energy = C6H12O6 + O2
or maybe in a form you can understand
Carbon dioxide + water + sunlight =
Glucose + oxygen
If you want a truck, to do truck things, electric ones aren’t practical. F150 Lightning max range is 100 miles when towing, Rivian is 103 miles, and the Cybertruck is 130 miles. Could you imagine driving 500 miles to Rocky Mountain National Park in an electric truck, towing a camper trailer? You would have to stop 5 times to recharge your batteries, I could make that trip in my gas truck with one stop.
And yes they are heavy as hell. I work in the field of Transportation Engineering, one of the things I design is safety barrier, guardrails are designed to deflect and slow down a vehicle. The standards that they are designed to currently are meant to stop standard ICE domestic vehicles. EV’s are too heavy for current safety barrier designs. F150 Lightning 6500 lbs, F150 Lightning Platinum 8500 lbs, Rivian R1T 7200 lbs, Cybertruck 6900 lbs. In comparison my RAM weighs 4800 lbs.
The second video was shot out at the Air Park in Lincoln at UNL’s Midwest Roadside Safety Facility, the facility where NASCAR Safer Barrier was designed. I’ve been there on multiple occasions, once to watch a test collision of a semi-trailer at 70 mph.
Interesting profession Husker Todd - good stuff thanks for sharing.
Ahh, I guess I thought you were some kind of climate science expert. My bad
Lefties don't actually care about the climate. It's about power.
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