OT: Electric cars in a hurricane/flood situation

[V-Doub]

If you want a truck, to do truck things, electric ones aren’t practical. F150 Lightning max range is 100 miles when towing, Rivian is 103 miles, and the Cybertruck is 130 miles. Could you imagine driving 500 miles to Rocky Mountain National Park in an electric truck, towing a camper trailer? You would have to stop 5 times to recharge your batteries, I could make that trip in my gas truck with one stop.

And yes they are heavy as hell. I work in the field of Transportation Engineering, one of the things I design is safety barrier, guardrails are designed to deflect and slow down a vehicle. The standards that they are designed to currently are meant to stop standard ICE domestic vehicles. EV’s are too heavy for current safety barrier designs. F150 Lightning 6500 lbs, F150 Lightning Platinum 8500 lbs, Rivian R1T 7200 lbs, Cybertruck 6900 lbs. In comparison my RAM weighs 4800 lbs.

The second video was shot out at the Air Park in Lincoln at UNL’s Midwest Roadside Safety Facility, the facility where NASCAR Safer Barrier was designed. I’ve been there on multiple occasions, once to watch a test collision of a semi-trailer at 70 mph.

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Not to mention the many practical inconveniences of a 9000 lb vehicle. You break down or run out charge a normal tow truck can’t haul/move your vehicle. If you like off-roading the extra weight makes soft mud or fine sand impossible. They get stuck way easier than ICE vehicles that weigh half as much. Lastly, tire wear and tear, a vehicle that weighs twice as much wears out tires about 40% faster.

Like I’ve said before, I love EVs, I think they will continue to get better and cheaper. But I have to be honest about their limitations and ability to be an everyday vehicle that can handle all the circumstances consumers need. And they’re just not there yet.

 

[dinglefritz]

can't link the article because i'm to lazy to go re find it, but if its true we practically lead the civilized world with our CO2 output (15% in total is what I read), harmful everything/greenhouse gas emissions..basically all the terrible shit everyone pollutes the earth with....and that if we cut it even further to say, zero...it would have the same effect on world pollution, zero, because that's how far down the totem pole we are when it come to this issue...and the irony is, we are enriching terrible countries that DGAF about ppolluting the enviroment by buying the shit they rape the earth to make the damn things...again, if you have one more power to ya, i ain't suggesting they should be outlawed, i just don't understand the logic behind the line of thinking you are saving the planet or why you want to enrich china the more i read about it

Between the toxic waste battery production causes and my tax dollars incentivizing a product mostly purchased by affluent people I'm sorry but EVs just piss me off.

Lefties don't actually care about the climate. It's about power.

Most of the rank and file care about pollution etc BUT the you're right about the politicians. Unfortunately most of the left is too brainwashed to realize the folly of some of the policies foisted on us.

 

[Baxter48]

Residential cost per kWh is about $0.10-$0.12, which is about 5x lower than your estimate. Now, charging station cost could be as high as your estimate, but that could be due to a range of factors that has little to do with the actual cost of electricity including infrastructure, demand limiting, or they didn't like you that day, etc. But charging at home should have significantly lower costs.

Does the ev owner have to fill out out an irs form to pay the federal road taxes I believe Nebraska has.49 cents a gallon for highway taxes., every time I fill up I’m paying that much. Per gallon

 

[BleedRed78]

China Likely To Have Lower GHG Emissions Than USA By 2035 - CleanTechnica

China's electrification, renewables, and infrastructure trajectories mean coal demand is going to plummet, and emissions with it. The USA? Not so much.

cleantechnica.com

 

[drubendall]

China Likely To Have Lower GHG Emissions Than USA By 2035 - CleanTechnica

China's electrification, renewables, and infrastructure trajectories mean coal demand is going to plummet, and emissions with it. The USA? Not so much.

cleantechnica.com

What percentage of Chinese people own cars? Same question but for Americans.?

 

[dinglefritz]

China Likely To Have Lower GHG Emissions Than USA By 2035 - CleanTechnica

China's electrification, renewables, and infrastructure trajectories mean coal demand is going to plummet, and emissions with it. The USA? Not so much.

cleantechnica.com

They had to shut down whole cities to try to get the air clean enough to host the Olympics. Don’t be gullible.

 

[dinglefritz]

I'll start worrying about EV subsidies when we stop subsidizing ethanol. We subidize a lot of inefficient stuff to satisfy specific groups.

One bad policy justifies another for you? Our government has F’d up ag policy beyond belief. At least with ethanol subsidies Joe Sixpack benefits by lower priced gasoline options.

 

[drubendall]

Federal government is handling this historic flood pretty well, per usual. Not.

 

[litespeedhuskerfan]

Federal government is handling this historic flood pretty well, per usual. Not.

what are you talking about? fundraisers and beach vacay's are very important!!!!

 

[BTF69]

What do I think? That dude just got divorced.

That dude just go pardoned and was released from prison.

 

[Streamer15]

That dude just go pardoned and was released from prison.

I'm starting to think you don't like marriage. 😂

 

[BTF69]

I'm starting to think you don't like marriage. 😂

Ha!

 

[BleedRed78]

They had to shut down whole cities to try to get the air clean enough to host the Olympics. Don’t be gullible.

Like I said in particular cities, that's indeed the case.

But as a whole? We've allowed the commies to kick ass in an industry we could've been leaders in. All for short term greed from Big Oil. Shane. Hopefully we can recover some ground as we seem to be, stabilize, and grow!

That new solar plant in Alabama and the CHIPS Act is a fine mighty start.

 

[BleedRed78]

Federal government is handling this historic flood pretty well, per usual. Not.

Those states leaders cut funding to programs that would be beneficial to these poor folks right now. All because they thought it was wasteful to fund things that have been deemed a part of the "climate change agenda".

Real egg on face moment of leadership.

 

[baseball31ne]

Source for this statement of fact please. Hadn’t seen that.

Did see FEMA admit the border was a disaster because the government used FEMA money for the millions crossing the border illegally and being flown into the country by the government so therefore now the government doesn’t have money for the US people impacted by this hurricane and its aftermath.

Those states leaders cut funding to programs that would be beneficial to these poor folks right now. All because they thought it was wasteful to fund things that have been deemed a part of the "climate change agenda".

Real egg on face moment of leadership.

 

[dinglefritz]

Like I said in particular cities, that's indeed the case.

But as a whole? We've allowed the commies to kick ass in an industry we could've been leaders in. All for short term greed from Big Oil. Shane. Hopefully we can recover some ground as we seem to be, stabilize, and grow!

That new solar plant in Alabama and the CHIPS Act is a fine mighty start.

Where do the components for solar panels come from and how much pollution is caused by their production? Be smarter.

 

[Mr.Scary13]

Federal government is handling this historic flood pretty well, per usual. Not.

They aren't handling it at all.....on purpose

 

[drubendall]

Those states leaders cut funding to programs that would be beneficial to these poor folks right now. All because they thought it was wasteful to fund things that have been deemed a part of the "climate change agenda".

Real egg on face moment of leadership.

North Carolina cut the FEMA budget? I did not know this.

 

[drubendall]

They aren't handling it at all.....on purpose

That will solidly put all the NC electoral votes in Mr. Trump’s column and garner sympathy from many other concerned independents across the country who are looking on.

So, this is how you handle things? The optics are not good as they say.

 

[oldjar07]

Where do the components for solar panels come from and how much pollution is caused by their production? Be smarter.

From sand. Any industrial scale process is going to have an environmental impact. It becomes a matter of comparing the cost and benefits of the end result. And the benefits are already significantly outweighing the costs, which is why solar is starting to see significant momentum for investment in the first place. Let's do an economic analysis, shall we?

To do something of an apples to apples comparison, we can compare the economic benefits of installing solar panels vs planting corn for ethanol production on a similar unit value of land. The largest solar farm in the world has a 2 GW capacity with a 20% capacity factor and uses about 15 sq. mi. worth of land. To find the annual energy produced on such a solar farm, we use the following formula: Annual Energy (kWh)=Capacity (GW)×Capacity Factor×Hours per Year. So we get Annual Energy (kWh)=2,000,000kW×0.20×8,760hours = 3.5 billion kWh of electricity produced annually. If we say electricity is valued at about $0.10 per kWh, that is $350 million of revenue produced.

Now to do a comparison analysis with corn ethanol production, we can see how much value is produced in a similar land area within 15 sq. mi. 15 sq. mi. is equivalent to 9,600 acres, we assume a yield of 180 bushels/acre = 1,728,000 bushels total. Considering the price of a bushel is about $4.95, we find: 1,728,000bushels×$4.95per bushel=$8,553,600 revenue produced. Actually converting this into ethanol doesn't produce a lot of added value (I can show that derivation if needed), but we can go ahead and round that up to $10 million worth of revenue produced annually for this consideration. So as we can see, $350 million > $10 million, the solar farm produces about 35 times the economic value versus corn ethanol in a given land area.

 

[Mr.Scary13]

That will solidly put all the NC electoral votes in Mr. Trump’s column and garner sympathy from many other concerned independents across the country who are looking on.

So, this is how you handle things? The optics are not good as they say.

He already had them.....

 

[drubendall]

He already had them.....

He did. My larger point is that dementia Joe is missing during one of the largest catastrophes in our nations history, and the dingbat is out schmoozing the left wing investor class. The optics in the eyes of independents are horrible, IMO. Presidential versus non-presidential.

 

[cavalot]

He did. My larger point is that dementia Joe is missing during one of the largest catastrophes in our nations history, and the dingbat is out schmoozing the left wing investor class. The optics in the eyes of independents are horrible, IMO. Presidential versus non-presidential.

LOL what are you watching?

 

[BleedRed78]

North Carolina cut the FEMA budget? I did not know this.

No, states like them and Florida cut spending on flood water programs, sewer system projects, NOAA funding, etc.

 

[BleedRed78]

Source for this statement of fact please. Hadn’t seen that.

Did see FEMA admit the border was a disaster because the government used FEMA money for the millions crossing the border illegally and being flown into the country by the government so therefore now the government doesn’t have money for the US people impacted by this hurricane and its aftermath.

A simple Google will do. Though I'm inclined to ask for a source on your following accusation on FEMA money being used as you suggest...

 

[cavalot]

A simple Google will do. Though I'm inclined to ask for a source on your following accusation on FEMA money being used as you suggest...

You know where that source came from...

 

[baseball31ne]

You know where that source came from...

Here are a few articles for you.

https://nypost.com/2024/10/03/us-news/feds-say-theres-no-money-left-to-respond-to-hurricanes-after-fema-used-640-9m-this-year-on-migrants/



https://www.newsweek.com/fema-migrant-funding-hurricane-disaster-relief-1963336



https://www.nationalreview.com/news...-agency-spent-over-a-billion-on-migrants/amp/



https://www.fema.gov/press-release/...security-announces-300-million-direct-funding

 

[cavalot]

A simple Google will do. Though I'm inclined to ask for a source on your following accusation on FEMA money being used as you suggest...

But Ill help out..



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There have been claims that some Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) funds were redirected to address needs at the southern border. These funds were primarily used to manage increased migration and provide facilities for processing asylum seekers, rather than being directly allocated to immigration enforcement like detention facilities. For example, in 2021, the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) reallocated some emergency funds for handling the influx of unaccompanied children at the border(
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FEMA has also contributed funds for humanitarian support at the border through programs like the Emergency Food and Shelter Program(
U.S. Department of Homeland Security
), though these reallocations were for emergency shelter and processing, not shifting significant resources away from disaster recovery. Therefore, while some funds have been moved to support border operations, the claim that large-scale FEMA dollars were shifted to the southern border needs to be understood in context—it mostly involved relatively small portions of FEMA's budget aimed at humanitarian needs.