Drywall repair (or old school plaster in my case) is the least of my concerns if someone is trying to hurt/kill me or my family. Despite being much more powerful, shotguns are generally easier to shoot with less practice as are most long guns compared to handguns. 9mm carbines are kind of a best of both worlds options for that reason.
OT: Best personal defense weapon under 1k
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Drywall repair (or old school plaster in my case) is the least of my concerns if someone is trying to hurt/kill me or my family. Despite being much more powerful, shotguns are generally easier to shoot with less practice as are most long guns compared to handguns. 9mm carbines are kind of a best of both worlds options for that reason.
I show this clip in class! You are the first one to get it!
My post was in jest, sarcasm. I was hoping the ridiculousness of it would be obvious. Clearly it was not. I have deleted it. Some people are way too serious.
I carry Glock 26 9 mm. Wife carries Glock 42 .380.
Home have Glock 22 .40 in night stand with 12 gauge under bed
I am a Glock guy. I like my finger being the safety but many other awesome guns out there
The doors are locked for your safety not mine
Home have Glock 22 .40 in night stand with 12 gauge under bed
I am a Glock guy. I like my finger being the safety but many other awesome guns out there
The doors are locked for your safety not mine
They are a tool to be used properly and respected. If people would treat them like we were taught as kids it wouldn't be a problem. I actually like to shoot, grew up around hunting and trap shooting.
But I see a lot of people turn guns into an identity and totally ignore the safety and proper respect for them. That's asking for funeral services. We grew up with guns being for hunting, you had one gun for each kind of game. Now you get sold a raft of fear that an army of boogeymen are coming to your house and you need an arsenal and unless you're some kind of drug kingpin, no they're not and no you don't.
Some pipehead comes trying to steal your laptop a couple barrels of rock salt would do you just fine. I deal in data and the data says a gun in the home makes it more likely that somebody who lives there dies of a gunshot, not less. Statistically you're less safe having guns, especially handguns. You wouldn't play poker tournaments pushing in with a 7-2, stats matter.
Parents think kids don't know where the guns are, yes they do. They think kids won't play with them, yes they will. Studies on that are plain as day.
So if you wanna be safer the data says that's how you do it. You wanna load out for doomsday, that's what we call a "lifestyle choice" and it might just have unintended consequences. Just the facts.
My dad never locked his guns up in any way. We never touched them. Ever. We were taught gun safety at a very early age. My kids never played with mine. That area is recorded with a motion sensor camera so I would know. My kids no more play with guns than they do my table saw. Also a tool.
Too many methheads and nutcases to rely on rocksalt.
I will take my chances. I trust myself and my family more than some crackhead who might pick my house some night
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Dude... it's not the drywall it's your kids being on the other side of the drywall.
side by side short barrel 12 guage. learn to palm 2-3 shells and practice shooting and reloading as fast as possible. very simple and reliable. no possible jams in the middle of the night when you're half asleep. happy hunting
Same with me and my brother, dad never locked up his guns and we knew better that to even touch them.
You are correct, but I will add it’s not just guns what about kids taking a vehicle without permission or doing stupid things with a lawnmower. The parents need to teach the kids to not only respect guns but other things
While I agree with much of your post, much of those stats are skewed due to domestic violence. Having a firearm in the household will increase the likelihood of those things, along with accidents (cleaning the firearms and children (and drunk adults) playing with the firearms. Murder/suicide/murder-suicide are things I'm willing to live with.
To be fair, those that just say "It's a tool" are over-simplifying things as well. We know what the purpose of firearms are and it's not putting together a new furniture set. So, common sense would be for educating your family and properly securing your firearms. But so would regulations on who should be able to purchase semi-automatic firearms. We can agree that felons, domestic abusers and those with certain mental illnesses should not be allowed to purchase/own semi-automatic weapons.
I'm for closing loopholes and requiring universal background checks in all circumstances. We also need to improve the input of data and sharing of that data so that we don't miss the next shooter. Banning certain weapons or imposing regulations on the capacity of magazines are silly. They are feel good laws, but not effective. We are either going to have guns or we are not. Long story short, I'm not willing to give up my freedom because some may use these tools inappropriately.
Maybe your kids would. Would their friends? Their cousins? Some other idiot's child can shoot your kid, doesn't have to be your child who shoots.
You can find clips like this all over the place, you typically get one or two kids who leave the gun alone or tell an adult, but most of them go right ahead and play with it. Check out the kid at 0:50 just picks it right up and points it at the little girl, finger on the trigger.
Now you'd THINK that nobody just leaves a handgun in a couch but let me promise you I've heard and seen clips of guys who brag about how they have them stashed all over the house where they can grab em fast and start popping no matter what room they're in. You all know somebody dumb as bricks, now consider there's no IQ test at the gun shop. God only knows where and how a guy like that stores a gun.
https://www.wisn.com/article/kids-dont-alert-parents-to-gun-in-social-experiment-2/6249154
Using your criteria of 1000 bucks and SHTF scenario......used WASR AK 47 and 2500 rounds of Wolf ammo
A can of 50 ft spray range wasp killer.
Right to the eyes. Says you must seek immediate medical attention or you'll lose your eye sight.
There's something about a felony for being applied in any other way except it's intended use.
But I don't care. Dude goes blind, he goes blind.
Shotgun. Remington 870 12GA.
Right to the eyes. Says you must seek immediate medical attention or you'll lose your eye sight.
There's something about a felony for being applied in any other way except it's intended use.
But I don't care. Dude goes blind, he goes blind.
Shotgun. Remington 870 12GA.
To answer your first question yes, guns are no toy. We already have people dumb as a brick driving. Just look at people with 5 or 6 DUIs their license is either suspended for 15 years or life and they still drive. I guess if you live in a gated community you’d be all for gun control, but I’ll live in nowhereville by the time the police arrive me and my family are dead. I’m dam well not going down without a fight
Never rely on the police who are minutes away when seconds matter. I think the average response time is a little over 3 minutes, way too long for me to feel secure in them protecting my family.
By the same token, me driving a car makes me much more likely to die in a car crash. That doesn't stop me from using a car, which is the best tool available for its purpose. Firearms, by the by, are the best tool for self defense. Stats are definitely useful, but if you live your life solely by stats it'll be a pretty boring and sad life.
Firearm ownership, in my estimation and in regards to your note about statistics, is a calculated risk. I take many precautions (safe but quick access storage, teaching my son very young not to touch guns, when he's old enough teaching him about gun safety, etc.) to mitigate the risk and maximize the benefit. Most of the kids who "play" with guns in the studies I have seen (usually on like 20/20 or something like that) have never been exposed to firearms except through TV and movies. I've seen similar "tests" done with kids raised in homes with firearms and taught at a young age to respect them, and the results were very different. Will some kids to it regardless, ya, and that's why my firearms won't be left laying out in the first place
I grew up in a house without firearms and am mostly self taught. My father-in-law and brother-in-law helped me along with the basics but most of what I've learned was from seeking out the information myself. By the by, I have found that most gun owners I know are extremely cognizant about gun safety and are borderline obsessive about it. If you want to really piss a shooting enthusiast off, do something unsafe around them with a firearm, you'll catch all kinds of hell and rightfully so. Does that mean all firearm owners are that way? No, not at all. But you seemed to paint with a wide swath that gun owners tend to be generally irresponsible, which is a contention I wholeheartedly disagree with.
As far as barrels of rock salt, that is a truly terrible idea legally and practically. If you are in a situation where you are using a firearm to defend yourself or your home, you had better be justified in using lethal force. Using a "less lethal" loading, especially a homebrewed one like rock salt calls into question the necessity to use potentially deadly force (which any firearm will be considered, regardless of your loading). On top of that, all it would likely serve to do is piss somebody off as seen below.
https://www.theboxotruth.com/the-box-o-truth-33-rock-salt-in-a-shotgun/
The reality is that if someone is in my house potentially to do me and my family harm, I will be using a firearm to end the threat to my family. I'm not trying to scare them. Notice I'm not saying I'm shooting to kill or anything like that, it is to end the threat. Incapacitation works just as well.
Every firearm I have had a purpose, even if a couple are just that they are fun to shoot at the range. Most have a practical purpose though, be it hunting, teaching, or various modes of carry.
Well, yes. But I was specifically responding to someone who made a statement out putting holes in drywall.
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Plus, don't forget, the Supreme Court has ruled that police do not have an obligation to protect citizens.
https://www.google.com/url?q=http:/...FjAAegQIChAC&usg=AOvVaw0MJ8pgFHNELvLgZLOcIjh1
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