He f'd up Sylvia's arm too. Mir was a scary dude.
OT: Best MMA fighters of all time
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I put Khabib above that drunken roid user Jones. Khabib never lost a round and dispatched everyone in that division. Plus, he's a cool ****ing dude!
Anderson Silva has to be right in the mix.
He's kind of an interesting study. Clearly has Superior athletic genetics with two brothers in the NFL. I think he went to Iowa Central community college to wrestle juco and was then going to wrestle for Iowa State, but then got sidetracked by MMA. He was learning moves from watching YouTube.
Would have loved to see Royce vs someone like Frank Mir in UFC 1. Would have been interesting to see how Royce would have fared against a much bigger guy who was well versed in jujitsu and also a good striker.
He had a chance to have a spectacular career and legacy. Instead, he traded it in as a troubled guy who pissed away a lot of his career and money by doing the alcohol, drugs, and steroid gig.
I've never rooted for the guy, and never will.
Being as how Anderson Silva was so dominant at 185, surprised he didn't fight at 205 more often and challenge for the 205 belt.
Royce wasn't even the best Gracie brother at the time. Those early days of UFC, nobody knew what the heck BJJ even was, let alone know how to defend it. A guy like Mir would have killed Royce Gracie. Years after those early days, Royce fought champion Matt Hughes who technically didn't even have a jiu-jitsu belt (although he stopped many guys using high level jiu-jitsu). Hughes was just a country strong wrestler who was far better at jiu-jitsu than his lack of belt would suggest. Hughes easily defeated him. At one point of the fight, he popped Royce's elbow out with an arm lock and Royce didn't tap. He just repositioned and put it back in on the fly. Shortly after that, Hughes took his neck and ended it.
I'm surprised after all those years he never learned to speak a lick of English. At least Wanderlai tried
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He has an 83" reach which is absurd for anything less than heavyweight and a huge advantage for not only striking but leverage in grappling. Most of his career was built on beating up smaller fighters. His biggest tests were against guys around his height and reach. Definitely lost to Reyes in their fight and the Swedish guy nearly beat him to death.
Matt Hughes might not have had a rank in jujitsu, but I believe that his training partners, Pat Militich and Jeremy Horn were black belts in jujitsu.
Jeremy Horn, Omaha legend. Dang good fighter. Has anyone fought more times professionally than him? He always seems so calm and collected.
Honestly I think to people he loves (maybe not his gf he beat in Vegas), Jon is probably an extremely nice guy. He's big into the law of attraction and visualization so I think he really prepares to fight like it's to the death. The jumping sidekick to the side of the knee for example, he said in an interview that "they're trying to punch me in the head, I don't mind giving someone a limp for the rest of their life". Also the fact he uses eye pokes and shoulder wrenches.
I'm 100% convinced in that final fight with Daniel Cormier, if there wasn't a referee to stop him he would of killed him live on national television.
Not even close. GSP would have kicked him worse than Sonnen did. Silva couldn’t handle wrestlers. Him vs bones has to be a joke…
Who did Silva beat that was worth a crap? Old Vitor? School Teacher guy twice? First half decent guy beat him into submission for 4:45 then another wrestler knocked him cold then broke his leg.
Vitor, the same Vitor that nearly submitted Jon Jones with an armbar. The "school teacher guy" as you call him is Rich Franklin. The same Rich Franklin who beat Chuck Liddell and Ken Shamrock. The same Rich Franklin who beat Wanderlei twice.
Rich Franklin was one of my favorites. I really wanted to see him win a title. He got so close
I liked watching Chuck for the simple fact he just wildly threw haymakers. And when he did connect ouch. Ask Ortiz and Silva. Pretty sure he was a shell of himself when Franklin knocked him out. If I remember correctly Dana White said he was finished after that match.
Gracie was 40 and was past his prime, Hughes was 32 and in his.
Gracie also was very successful when he could wear the gi and was able to grip the dry cloth to maintain grip on his BJJ holds and chokes.
True. However, I don't think wearing a gi would have changed the outcome of the Matt Hughes fight. Hughes was never in Royce's guard and completely dominated the fight in all phases.
He did in there 3rd fight. When Chuck was done as a fighter he was done. He battered Ortiz the first 2 fights.
Chuck Liddell from the early years, deserves some mention. I believe he lost five of his first six, then was 17/20 after that.
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BJ Penn was a straight up murderer for awhile as well.
Just watched part of a terrible B movie where Liddell was the bad guy. As far as acting goes, he sure was a good fighter!
The chubby little cabbage patch doll was hard to figure out in his prime, but damn he was good.
I ran across a low budget D-Day movie starring Chuck Liddell and Randy couture as generals for the allies on Amazon Prime. Probably going to miss that one. Glad to see he's working. He had an easy ambassadors job with UFC, but buddy Dana White had to fire him for being a no show. He was a pretty elite college wrestler, but changed his mma game to just going for knockouts.
agree, I was attempting to address two issues at once. One being he was past his prime in the Hughes fight and the other to address him as a fighter in his prime.
I'm not surprised that Matt Hughes beat Royce Gracie. I was surprised by the way he beat Royce Gracie. He out jujitsu-ed Royce.
Jon Jones had his arm pop and hyperextended and then proceeded to torture Vitor. Not defending Jon Jones and his steroid use, but when Vitor popped his Testosterone levels (at his peak) was 1427. An average 32 year old male is around 400 and 500 MAX. See what Vitor looked like after he got popped?
Speaking of cans, what about how GSP got knocked out by Matt Serra? What about how GSP got bruised and battered by Johnny Hendricks? If those cans can knock GSP around, imagine what a real fighter like Anderson Silva would do to GSP.
He beat a much bigger and harder striker Chuck Liddell in the earlier days.
Oh yeah, GSP lost to a can named Matt Hughes the first time they fought. Geez if a can like Matt Hughes beat GSP, Anderson Silva would make GSP look like Forrest Griffin.
Would have been an interesting fight. UFC never pushed to make it happen IMO and it seemed like GSP avoided him. GSP got good at closing the distance with guys his size. But Silva might deliver a knee to the temple and send you to the canvas.
Yep, take roids out of Vitor and he was a can. Jones fought with a toe mostly torn off.
