OT AI facial recognition

[Bruce1981]

Was informed 8 months ago that a new camera surveillance system was going into all trucks where I work. Contract states they have a right to surveillance so I had no protest and just let the Union do their job. They came to an agreeement that as long as faces were blurred and management had them in their trucks as well, we as a Union would not fight it.

Had surgery mid November. I was out for eight weeks and came back to them being installed. For the Union side of things, they are not in all of the Foreman trucks and they also don't blur out faces. Also come to find out that there is AI facial recognition involved. As soon as I get in a truck the system is supposed to assign me to the truck and if the system wrongly identifies me, the Foreman is to correct the mistake so the AI can learn. All this without prior warning or prior consent. I don't know where they are keeping my biometric data.

I'm sure I have no recourse except for to just leave the job. Which I'm prepared to do.

 

[WHCSC]

What’s the big deal?

 

[IM4NUalways]

You give the same data out every time you fly from most airports.

 

[Bruce1981]

What’s the big deal?

Besides we are being turned into China?

Biometric data being stored. AI is the driver for identity theft right now. AI can try to determine emotions by facial expressions. Bias. Privacy. I don't feel comfortable being watched at all times. Etc etc etc. There's a lot to complain about here.

 

[Bruce1981]

You give the same data out every time you fly from most airports.

I don't fly and you can opt out.

 

[IM4NUalways]

I don't fly and you can opt out.

Well, I would get used to it. It's coming everywhere and you will never know it.

 

[dinglefritz]

What’s the big deal?

FWIW some of the traffic cameras being used in Iowa are capable of being used with facial recognition software. Big brother is always watching. Every time you fly now they're using the technology. I guess as long as you're not doing anything wrong I it shouldn't be a problem. I'm guessing the FBI, CIA, and TSA all probably your facial ID somewhere in their database by now. Scary sh## but that's the age we live in. Ironic that they can do that but can't prevent mid-air collisions at a busy airport.

 

[Eltoroblanco]

One of the contractors in my local put cameras in their work trucks. I've been wanting to bump into a tech from that company and see how they're all feeling about it.
I'm not sure how long it'll be before my shop goes that route, but I've already made my peace with it, for when it does happen. Everyone will do it eventually.
The AI aspect though, I don't know how I feel about that.

 

[litespeedhuskerfan]

..wait till you find out they have photos of you driving your car all over the united states stored, waiting for somebody to run your plate so they can retrieve them and use for their gain. people have no idea how many pictures of you driving, and parked, are stored.

 

[dinglefritz]

One of the contractors in my local put cameras in their work trucks. I've been wanting to bump into a tech from that company and see how they're all feeling about it.
I'm not sure how long it'll be before my shop goes that route, but I've already made my peace with it, for when it does happen. Everyone will do it eventually.
The AI aspect though, I don't know how I feel about that.

Traffic cams are a powerful defense tool for traffic accidents. I see more and more people with a camera pointed forward on their dash.

 

[Bruce1981]

One of the contractors in my local put cameras in their work trucks. I've been wanting to bump into a tech from that company and see how they're all feeling about it.
I'm not sure how long it'll be before my shop goes that route, but I've already made my peace with it, for when it does happen. Everyone will do it eventually.
The AI aspect though, I don't know how I feel about that.

I had reservations about the cameras but was going to defer to what the Union President agreed to. They weren't forthcoming about biometric data being stored using AI facial recognition with this camera system. I feel absolutely disgusted.

 

[Bruce1981]

..wait till you find out they have photos of you driving your car all over the united stated stored, waiting for somebody to run your plate so they can retrieve them and use for their gain. people have no idea how many pictures of you driving, and parked, are stored.

Photos are one thing. Me driving in to an area with this is one thing. Working for a company who lies about their intentions with surveillance and not gaining my consent, which is highly unethical, is a completely different story.

 

[Bruce1981]

when the government shows up at your house because you criticized a powerful politician, then you can say we've turned in to China. It USED to be even before AI that IF you criticized for instance Senate Majority Leader at the time, Tom Daschle cough cough, the IRS audits would follow shortly. It was a widely used tactic by the party in power at that time to stifle criticism.

It's the most obvious next step. China also uses it for a social credit score, which we will as well. It was going to happen no matter who won the election. Trump's Project Stargate announcement and teaming up with Larry Ellison to launch it just confirms it.

 

[WHCSC]

Besides we are being turned into China?

Biometric data being stored. AI is the driver for identity theft right now. AI can try to determine emotions by facial expressions. Bias. Privacy. I don't feel comfortable being watched at all times. Etc etc etc. There's a lot to complain about here.

🤷‍♂️ I guess I just don’t have anything worth hiding

 

[Bruce1981]

🤷‍♂️ I guess I just don’t have anything worth hiding

Ok bootlicker

 

[dinglefritz]

Ok bootlicker

They've had satellite tech for years that tells them what you're doing on your property. I don't know how much they could store, but my local county zoning official has a program that alerts them if you change the footprint of a shed by 6". IF the feds want, they can see you taking a pee in your field on a clear day. It's the age old argument, public safety versus freedom from government intrusion. We've had so many terrorist attacks and attacks by gangs and crazy people that the public is becoming more agreeable to the monitoring. The problem is that the AI crap is an after the fact tool.

 

[Bruce1981]

They've had satellite tech for years that tells them what you're doing on your property. I don't know how much they could store, but my local county zoning official has a program that alerts them if you change the footprint of a shed by 6". IF the feds want, they can see you taking a pee in your field on a clear day. It's the age old argument, public safety versus freedom from government intrusion. We've had so many terrorist attacks and attacks by gangs and crazy people that the public is becoming more agreeable to the monitoring. The problem is that the AI crap is an after the fact tool.

And i have reservations about all the surveillance. I have a hard stance no on the biometric data being stored and future of AI.

I know it's gonna happen. Because people are gonna go along with it. I'm not. I have enough money to leave and pay my bills for 2 years. Start my own company where I won't subject anyone I might hire to this bullshit. If you see someone in the news in a couple years taking cameras out with a slingshot, it is me.

if you believe in the Bible, and believe in the prophecies in the Bible, you are witnessing the beast system. If you don't believe in the Bible, you are witnessing what is going to be used to control mankind forever.

 

[cornhustler]

🤷‍♂️ I guess I just don’t have anything worth hiding

The argument that "I've got nothing to hide" is dangerously naive. What’s legal today may not be tomorrow—laws shift, regimes change, and surveillance data never disappears. AI-driven monitoring is prone to mistakes, flagging the innocent and reinforcing biases, yet the system never questions itself. Privacy is an inalienable right, not a privilege granted by the state, and history proves that surveillance is the tool of tyrants—Stasi, KGB, Gestapo—used to suppress dissent and control populations.

A watched society is not a free society; constant surveillance chills speech, stifles action, and breeds compliance. Trusting that those in power will never misuse their reach is foolish—governments don’t give up power, they expand it. And let’s be honest—you already value privacy. You lock your doors, use passwords, and close your curtains. Why should your data, your conversations, and your personal life be any different? Mass surveillance isn’t about safety—it’s about control. And control is the enemy of FREEDOM.

 

[cavalot]

The argument that "I've got nothing to hide" is dangerously naive. What’s legal today may not be tomorrow—laws shift, regimes change, and surveillance data never disappears. AI-driven monitoring is prone to mistakes, flagging the innocent and reinforcing biases, yet the system never questions itself. Privacy is an inalienable right, not a privilege granted by the state, and history proves that surveillance is the tool of tyrants—Stasi, KGB, Gestapo—used to suppress dissent and control populations.

A watched society is not a free society; constant surveillance chills speech, stifles action, and breeds compliance. Trusting that those in power will never misuse their reach is foolish—governments don’t give up power, they expand it. And let’s be honest—you already value privacy. You lock your doors, use passwords, and close your curtains. Why should your data, your conversations, and your personal life be any different? Mass surveillance isn’t about safety—it’s about control. And control is the enemy of FREEDOM.

There's truth in this. There is a line that no one wants to cross.

I know that for me, simpler is better so going to an airport and using facial recognition doesn't bother me. Getting in a truck and having facial recognition wouldn't bother me. Having 24 hour surveillance that impacts our daily lives would. I don't want to use facial recognition to go into a bar, a restaurant, or any other non-critical entity.

It's a difficult conundrum. Safety vs Freedom!

 

[WHCSC]

The argument that "I've got nothing to hide" is dangerously naive. What’s legal today may not be tomorrow—laws shift, regimes change, and surveillance data never disappears. AI-driven monitoring is prone to mistakes, flagging the innocent and reinforcing biases, yet the system never questions itself. Privacy is an inalienable right, not a privilege granted by the state, and history proves that surveillance is the tool of tyrants—Stasi, KGB, Gestapo—used to suppress dissent and control populations.

A watched society is not a free society; constant surveillance chills speech, stifles action, and breeds compliance. Trusting that those in power will never misuse their reach is foolish—governments don’t give up power, they expand it. And let’s be honest—you already value privacy. You lock your doors, use passwords, and close your curtains. Why should your data, your conversations, and your personal life be any different? Mass surveillance isn’t about safety—it’s about control. And control is the enemy of FREEDOM.

Meh. I’m not worried.

 

[ssmill777]

It's the most obvious next step. China also uses it for a social credit score, which we will as well. It was going to happen no matter who won the election. Trump's Project Stargate announcement and teaming up with Larry Ellison to launch it just confirms it.

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Control of the masses.

 

[GBRforLife1]

Besides we are being turned into China?

Biometric data being stored. AI is the driver for identity theft right now. AI can try to determine emotions by facial expressions. Bias. Privacy. I don't feel comfortable being watched at all times. Etc etc etc. There's a lot to complain about here.

How many hours a day do you sleep in your truck?

 

[GBRforLife1]

The argument that "I've got nothing to hide" is dangerously naive. What’s legal today may not be tomorrow—laws shift, regimes change, and surveillance data never disappears. AI-driven monitoring is prone to mistakes, flagging the innocent and reinforcing biases, yet the system never questions itself. Privacy is an inalienable right, not a privilege granted by the state, and history proves that surveillance is the tool of tyrants—Stasi, KGB, Gestapo—used to suppress dissent and control populations.

A watched society is not a free society; constant surveillance chills speech, stifles action, and breeds compliance. Trusting that those in power will never misuse their reach is foolish—governments don’t give up power, they expand it. And let’s be honest—you already value privacy. You lock your doors, use passwords, and close your curtains. Why should your data, your conversations, and your personal life be any different? Mass surveillance isn’t about safety—it’s about control. And control is the enemy of FREEDOM.

All of this is true.

But the OP is talking about a job requirement.

Clearly the company thinks there's some benefit or they wouldn't spend the money.

 

[GBRforLife1]

There's truth in this. There is a line that no one wants to cross.

I know that for me, simpler is better so going to an airport and using facial recognition doesn't bother me. Getting in a truck and having facial recognition wouldn't bother me. Having 24 hour surveillance that impacts our daily lives would. I don't want to use facial recognition to go into a bar, a restaurant, or any other non-critical entity.

It's a difficult conundrum. Safety vs Freedom!

Costco has people at the door scanning IDs. Which is crazy because in some states they can't deny entry to non-members.

 

[Bruce1981]

How many hours a day do you sleep in your truck?

0. I have 2500 lane miles to sweep to get off mandatory OT and then I haul everything I swept up to the landfill before Fall sweep starts where we then have 2800 lane miles to sweep before we then again haul everything to the landfill.

 

[cornhustler]

All of this is true.

But the OP is talking about a job requirement.

Clearly the company thinks there's some benefit or they wouldn't spend the money.

Sure but tyranny comes in many forms. A system that normalizes surveillance in “critical” spaces (work requirements/travel safety/Costco?) easily creeps into everyday life, eroding privacy step by step. Once accepted in one place, it becomes harder to resist elsewhere until opting out is no longer an option. Surveillance states don’t install themselves overnight; they expand under the guise of safety, productivity and convenience until resistance becomes impractical.

 

[Bruce1981]

All of this is true.

But the OP is talking about a job requirement.

Clearly the company thinks there's some benefit or they wouldn't spend the money.

Waste of taxpayers money for sure.

 

[RBigredMax]

What’s the big deal?

Whatever line of work you are in - do you really want a camera recording you the whole time?

 

[GBRforLife1]

Waste of taxpayers money for sure.

Why are taxpayers paying to put AI cameras in company trucks?

 

[cornhustler]

How many hours a day do you sleep in your truck?

He should probably be sleeping more in his truck! Since 1975, U.S. worker productivity has more than doubled, yet wages have only risen about 16%. Meanwhile, back then, guys drank at lunch and partied with fuzzy women at night. You're being robbed, man.

 

[GBRforLife1]

He should probably be sleeping more in his truck! Since 1975, U.S. worker productivity has more than doubled, yet wages have only risen about 16%. Meanwhile, back then, guys drank at lunch and partied with fuzzy women at night. You're being robbed, man.

You're telling me in 1975 people could only build 1 house a day, but now they can build 2?

 

[Bruce1981]

Why are taxpayers paying to put AI cameras in company trucks?

You can't put 2 and 2 together on this?

 

[GBRforLife1]

Sure but tyranny comes in many forms. A system that normalizes surveillance in “critical” spaces (work requirements/travel safety/Costco?) easily creeps into everyday life, eroding privacy step by step. Once accepted in one place, it becomes harder to resist elsewhere until opting out is no longer an option. Surveillance states don’t install themselves overnight; they expand under the guise of safety, productivity and convenience until resistance becomes impractical.

Damn Costco tyranny. TSA tyranny. Imagine if they used surveillance to hunt down protesters. Oh wait.

 

[WHCSC]

Whatever line of work you are in - do you really want a camera recording you the whole time?

They’re the ones paying and they own the truck so….

 

[RBigredMax]

He should probably be sleeping more in his truck! Since 1975, U.S. worker productivity has more than doubled, yet wages have only risen about 16%. Meanwhile, back then, guys drank at lunch and partied with fuzzy women at night. You're being robbed, man.

This is a slippery slope - workforce has not become more productive by working and trying harder. They’ve become more productive because of better (and more affordable) tools, computers, and automation.

 

[cavalot]

Sure but tyranny comes in many forms. A system that normalizes surveillance in “critical” spaces (work requirements/travel safety/Costco?) easily creeps into everyday life, eroding privacy step by step. Once accepted in one place, it becomes harder to resist elsewhere until opting out is no longer an option. Surveillance states don’t install themselves overnight; they expand under the guise of safety, productivity and convenience until resistance becomes impractical.

This can be said in a lot of areas of our lives. Not just surveillance.

 

[cavalot]

You're telling me in 1975 people could only build 1 house a day, but now they can build 2?

I have a buddy who does home building in Utah. Before the 08 crash they were building over 400 homes a year. Insane. But his scheduling program enabled that to happen. 3-4 subs in every trade, perfectly scheduled, and voila....over 1 home a day. I think they are somewhere around 250 now. Still crazy to me. Hard to wrap one's mind around how technology and streamlining has increased production.

 

[Bruce1981]

They’re the ones paying and they own the truck so….

And i have the right to leave. Which is what I said in the OP, where you then asked what's the big deal and then said if you have nothing to hide you shouldn't be worried when I told you what the big deal was.

 

[WHCSC]

And i have the right to leave. Which is what I said in the OP, where you then asked what's the big deal and then said if you have nothing to hide you shouldn't be worried when I told you what the big deal was.

I still don’t think it’s a big deal. If it is to you, I’m glad you have the option to leave.

 

[cavalot]

And i have the right to leave. Which is what I said in the OP, where you then asked what's the big deal and then said if you have nothing to hide you shouldn't be worried when I told you what the big deal was.

But will you? That is the question. Is principle more important than paycheck? Only you can decide that.

Interesting topic nonetheless.