Fleck is similar in win/loss totals as Bo Pelini. Beats the teams he's supposed to beat but loses to good teams. Hasn't won the West division or played in the B1G championship game, so I guess Bo accomplished something that Fleck has yet to accomplish.
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Not sure what one has to do with another. Let's say I am a Rice football, can I not say the Conference USA sucks at football, even though my team has contributed little to the league since 2013?
He is no where near Bo Pelini win/loss totals.
Bo was 67-27 as HC at Nebraska and never won less than 9 in his 7 seasons.
PJ is 44-27 at Minnesota and has failed to win 9 games in 3 of his 6 seasons.
Good point. As @headcard states, he’s indeed much worse
And would this board praise Bo as being a good coach?
Highly doubtful
We are in the running for worst team in Power 5 over the last 6 years. We lost to ga southern at home last year. We lost to a 1-win team that got beat at home by an FCS school.
Being a Nebraska fan now means one must both gargle the B1G’s nuts and ignore on-field reality?
Great post, Todd.
scarlet, my response was because of what kong was saying about you and pennsy. You're both good dudes and I was just telling kong to "Come on man." That's all I meant by that.
You and I are 2 of the longer following Husker fans on this entire board, and I'm sure others may have been Husker fans prior to 1962. But, we've seen it all in those 60 years.
It might be the only time all season when we see Nash just fly by dingle in pursuit of a ballcarrier.
I do like our chances a lot better if Dvorak doesn't start dingle at LB.
Pelini was an average coach. However, compared to the shitshow we have had for the past 7-8 years, an average coach looks pretty damn good.
So we agree that PJ is a below average coach and that is better than what we had with Frost?
Kind of my point
When comparing to frost/Riley, my dog looks like a good coach
Those who believe fleck to be good have had their brain warped by our relative shittiness
If he was below average Minnesota would have fired him and not given him a raise..
Your hatred for Fleck is why you put him in that kind of category…
He’s a good coach nothing more nothing less but you and Top Gun can keep beating that drum…
Like I’ve posted he is a unusual odd duck..
He wins 6/10 games, rarely beats his rivals and never wins his division
One single top 25 finish
Only reason you think he’s good is because you compare him to long-dead bums nobody ever heard of who coached Minn a hundred years ago
Anybody that follows college football history has heard of Bernie Bierman, Murray Warmrh, Glen Mason and Lou Holt..
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The post I was quoting said Pelini was average. If Pelini is average PJ is clearly below average.
You just keep stating matter of fact my he is a good coach, and no I do not consider a guy who inherited a team constantly winning. 8+ and kept them there (minus the three seasons he doesn’t count of course) a “good coach”, even if he did mange to squeak by some shitty Nebraska teams. Maybe we are using different definitions.
But we have gone round and around about this for years and I guess we will just have to agree to disagree here.
And to a starving man, a saltine cracker is a delicacy.
The post I was quoting said Pelini was average. If Pelini is average PJ is clearly below average.
You just keep stating matter of fact my he is a good coach, and no I do not consider a guy who inherited a team constantly winning. 8+ and kept them there (minus the three seasons he doesn’t count of course) a “good coach”, even if he did mange to squeak by some shitty Nebraska teams. Maybe we are using different definitions.
But we have gone round and around about this for years and I guess we will just have to agree to disagree here.
Jerry Kill was 29-29 as head coach. He had two 8 win seasons and was 0-3 in bowl games.
Tracy Clayes was 11-8 as head coach, including a 9 win season in 2016 and two bowl wins.
Fleck's record is 44-27, and 26-26 in conference. He has won nine games twice and 11 games once. He is 4-0 in bowl games.
Fleck has made them better (not great), but it's not like he took over the 1989 Kansas State team either.
Tracy Clayes was 11-8 as head coach, including a 9 win season in 2016 and two bowl wins.
Fleck's record is 44-27, and 26-26 in conference. He has won nine games twice and 11 games once. He is 4-0 in bowl games.
Fleck has made them better (not great), but it's not like he took over the 1989 Kansas State team either.
fleck is .500 in the B1G?
lmao
the people saying he's a good coach look dumber and dumber with each passing fact
They won 8+ 3 of the 4 years before him, PJ’s done it in 3 of 6 seasons. Kill had one Top 25 season and Fleck has had one Top 25 season.
Fleck did win a couple games after this tweet, but I still think it is sims up things nicely.
Can this thread get back on topic. This thread is about making fun of an adult male going to Barbie without his daughter.
Clay left the program in a mess. 10 players were suspended though no fault of his over sexual assault issues..
He also beat Wisconsin for the first time since 2003, something Kill or Clay couldn’t accomplish and is 3-3 against their biggest rival and we’ve had three coaches that have only beaten Wisky once.😡
He hasn’t beaten Ioway yet and by his own fault running on to the field in 2019 helped Ioway win that game 23-19..
Over the rest of the Big 10 teams.. That would be a fair statement even though luv is a bit too much😂
Fleck has a avg record, 500 in the big ten and lost at home to one of the biggest underdogs in gambling history in Bowling Green.
There's a ceiling at Minnesota and Fleck might have already reached it (particularly with the divisions going away). He currently has a contract through 2029. I can see his antics wearing thin at some point. Does he try for a bigger job? (He doesn't seem like an NFL guy to me, so it would have to be a college job).
Hope he goes to Iowa after Ferentz retires.
Yep, I agree.
There are certain jobs that just have that "ceiling" and Minny is one of them, most of the west teams are "one of them"
If Fleck can avg 7-8 wins a year for the next 3 years...I could see him leaving but that is if he really wants a chance to win it all...if not, it has to be really tough to leave a job with no expectations and making like 5-6 million a year.
Where is he going to go? He’s tried to get every decent job opening the last several years. No program that can win big is going to hire that guy.
This is one of the reasons I cannot stand P.J., Fleck… On the radio right now, and he just said, “we have six receivers on our team that could be number one receivers anywhere across the country in my opinion.” Yes, he is a self promoter… But I’ve never heard anyone speak with so much hyperbole than this guy. Drives me nuts.
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