A cause to be taken up by Bernie Sanders (and followers) once he drops from the race.
No more balloon release?
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The only gas lighter than helium is hydrogen, so I'm not sure that's the best idea...
From ESPN article, "Nebraska currently uses biodegradable natural latex and cotton strings in its balloons."
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Same guy tried to sue Omaha for salting roadways in the Winter.
Comprehensive information about how bio-degradable they actually are and other effects on the environment here: http://balloonsblow.org/
Ok fine end it and start a new tradition. Water balloon fight after the first score. Let's put this record to shame. Then of course we will all clean up after ourselves. IF it's below freezing, better switch to pillow fights. Blue hairs will love it.
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Seems legit. Plus it's on the internet, so totally true.
Maybe we could build a wall to keep the balloons from floating out to the countryside?
Is this is a serious post? Injecting Slavery? Gtfo with this offensive BS.
Well there is more than just people and animals living on planet Earth. Just what we need, more synthetic stuff polluting the environment. Yes I let go of balloons when I was a child, but it's pretty lame these days. Shoot off a cannon or something.
Fair enough. It was a bit over the top so I deleted, but the instant mud-slinging at "lib-tards" and "liberal hunters" language got me riled up.
I don't think it was salt on the streets they said it was chemical spray they lay down on the streets they prepare for before a large snow fall or ice.
Two pages on balloons. #firstworldproblems
Be that as it may, if it leads to safer roads and saves human lives, I'm all for it.
But you know that invariably some of the balloons would hop over that wall. Or they would find a way to go under the wall through the concourses. Balloons are crafty little devils..
Someone earlier mentioned the hypocrisy of the "convenient environmentalists" that I wanted to address.
Full disclosure, I eat meat (and I can't afford the pricy "responsibly raised" stuff), I drive a car that runs on gasoline, and I use electricity in my home. I do what I can for the environment that I deem "reasonable," (recycle, ride a bike as much as possible, follow disposal rules for batteries, got those cloth shopping bags, etc) but I am fully aware that my efforts are not as much as they can be.
The fallacy that one person doesn't make a difference is a dangerous one. Small changes multiplied by 7+ billion people are huge. People shouldn't be expected to do EVERYTHING they can for the environment, just what they can. I don't think it's too much to ask to not litter, recycle what you can, and enact responsible public policies (like not having a mass public littering tradition). But that's just me.
Full disclosure, I eat meat (and I can't afford the pricy "responsibly raised" stuff), I drive a car that runs on gasoline, and I use electricity in my home. I do what I can for the environment that I deem "reasonable," (recycle, ride a bike as much as possible, follow disposal rules for batteries, got those cloth shopping bags, etc) but I am fully aware that my efforts are not as much as they can be.
The fallacy that one person doesn't make a difference is a dangerous one. Small changes multiplied by 7+ billion people are huge. People shouldn't be expected to do EVERYTHING they can for the environment, just what they can. I don't think it's too much to ask to not litter, recycle what you can, and enact responsible public policies (like not having a mass public littering tradition). But that's just me.
Faux environmentalists? There's a term I've never seen or heard. So....people that want to keep garbage from piling up in the environment are transparent environmentalists? How about that they are just trying to be good stewards of their surroundings?
I'm far from an environmental wacko (actually need to be more environmentally proactive) but it bothers me that we are knowingly adding thousands of square feet of a non-biodegradable substance to the environment, when we could be a lot more responsible.
There is no reason for YOU to have a car or even use public transportation and YOU don't really need electricity.
Hahaha! Right? Just because someone is a part of the modern world doesn't mean they should then do nothing for the environment.
Is it really up to you as to who gives up what? I'm not saying that there can be no discussion, but be reasonable.
I get that. I was just saying that people cannot automatically dismiss what some environmentally conscious people say just because they may be guilty of hurting the environment themselves. People do what they can, and that's a personal choice. It just always seemed a basic part of our social contract that we don't f up things for our fellow man. IMO, letting go of a harmful tradition that really only provides fleeting amusement doesn't seem so bad.
Each of us has the contact embedded deeply inside us. It's called a conscience.
So what is the difference if 70,000 people released balloons at a game at one time or 70,000 balloons are blown up and filled with water and used? I get the environment thing along with cows, pigs and other animals causing the problems to the ozone. If they are bad, then one is bad, everyone. No more balloons at parties for the kids to pop.
I'm pretty sure he knew that but was being intentionally obtuse.
As I understand it, it has to do with the control of the disposal. Since they are just released to fall where they may the impact is greater than garbage that is processed at a landfill.
You/your family likely create more pollution and garbage in a single day than 7-8 home games worth of balloons. My point is that it is very easy to point out that balloons are not safe for animals and the environment, yet contribute a significant carbon footprint on a daily basis without endeavoring to change it. Maybe you drive a Nissan Leaf and live a perfectly green life with solar panels powering your house. If so, I applaud you, but that is likely not the case. To be fair, I dont either. I likely should as I have 2 young children. I'm not saying the balloons should or shouldn't go, I'm just saying take care of #1 first, then worry about the waste of others.
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Keep the balloons, do away with the balloons. I haven't completely formed an opinion. I try to remain enviro friendly, because we only have one earth. But, I live in the USA, and I am a consumer. I do try to make responsible choices though.
We all live on carbon fuels. That electricity that lights your homes, charges your electronics (potentially your car), brightens your streets at night, etc has to come from somewhere. Sure there is nuclear and hydroelectric, but 2/3's of our (USA) energy is provided by burning carbon (coal) and hydrocarbons (natural gas et al).
We are surrounded by manufactured items (resulting in some degree to pollution and energy consumption). Plastics and metals don't grow on trees. Unless a person has made a very deliberate and educated choice, a person is indirectly "responsible" for quite a bit of pollution. Out-of-sight, out-of-mind?
So, if someone wants to rally around getting rid of the balloons for eco reasons, I can't find fault with that. And the balloons are going to come down somewhere and be somebody else's trash to deal with. But, it is a tradition, people are fond of it. We generate quite a bit of trash following other traditions and in our daily living.
I can see both sides of the coin, will be interesting to see how it ends up.
We all live on carbon fuels. That electricity that lights your homes, charges your electronics (potentially your car), brightens your streets at night, etc has to come from somewhere. Sure there is nuclear and hydroelectric, but 2/3's of our (USA) energy is provided by burning carbon (coal) and hydrocarbons (natural gas et al).
We are surrounded by manufactured items (resulting in some degree to pollution and energy consumption). Plastics and metals don't grow on trees. Unless a person has made a very deliberate and educated choice, a person is indirectly "responsible" for quite a bit of pollution. Out-of-sight, out-of-mind?
So, if someone wants to rally around getting rid of the balloons for eco reasons, I can't find fault with that. And the balloons are going to come down somewhere and be somebody else's trash to deal with. But, it is a tradition, people are fond of it. We generate quite a bit of trash following other traditions and in our daily living.
I can see both sides of the coin, will be interesting to see how it ends up.
My conscience doesn't allow me to judge 90,000+ fans over a few balloons and it doesn't allow attaching "social" to anything I do or think.
As one of the conscientious caretakers of earth I consume less then 250 kWh per month electicity and until hunting season I fill my gas tank every month and it is about 12 gallons. Long before the millennials discovered facebook kids from the 50's and 60's have developed habits that reduce pollution in their own actions and generally abstain from trivialities.
Personally, my conscience doesn't allow me to judge the people at all either. I thought we were discussing judging the practice of releasing balloons on a large scale. Even the practice I don't judge harshly, hell I've done it myself during Husker games... It's just that it falls on the spectrum of things that we could do differently that doesn't seem like too big of a sacrifice to me for the potential benefit.
If you feel that it is too big of a sacrifice, cool, no judgement. We'd just happen to disagree.
.On a complete side note: a large part of human intellect is directed at social thinking. What motivates you to discuss this topic with a stranger on a public forum (in the middle of the night)? If not simply to convince me, it is to fully state the virtues of your perspective for the consumption of the other forum members. You care about the propagation of your ideals, and that requires social constructs. A purely non-social being would have ABSOLUTELY no desire to post their musings on an online forum or point out the perceived idiocy of another beings thinking, because it would have nothing to do with them. So while it may not be your preference to label yourself as such, you are a social being.
.I'm not so convinced on the benefits but I do like your side note.Personally, my conscience doesn't allow me to judge the people at all either. I thought we were discussing judging the practice of releasing balloons on a large scale. Even the practice I don't judge harshly, hell I've done it myself during Husker games... It's just that it falls on the spectrum of things that we could do differently that doesn't seem like too big of a sacrifice to me for the potential benefit.
If you feel that it is too big of a sacrifice, cool, no judgement. We'd just happen to disagree.
On a complete side note: a large part of human intellect is directed at social thinking. What motivates you to discuss this topic with a stranger on a public forum (in the middle of the night)? If not simply to convince me, it is to fully state the virtues of your perspective for the consumption of the other forum members. You care about the propagation of your ideals, and that requires social constructs. A purely non-social being would have ABSOLUTELY no desire to post their musings on an online forum or point out the perceived idiocy of another beings thinking, because it would have nothing to do with them. So while it may not be your preference to label yourself as such, you are a social being.
Ah c'mon....it's worked out well in the past..
Great album.
