Yeah but Riley is 64. The guys in your first group were no where near 64. You're talking about when those guys were just starting out. Riley is not starting out. He needs to start winning. The guys in your second group not near 64 either in the context you're talking about. Riley is 64 and he has had plenty of time for trial and error. He needs to win!
All of those guys were just entering the ranks of being a head coach in a Power 5 conference (Saban had spent a couple years at Toledo in the MAC before going to the NFL as an assistant) and they were all very young. That is long way from hiring an old guy who has been a head coach with little more than a .500 record for nearly two decades.
The difference is that Callahan never really got to use his best recruits. If we do that again with Riley, that would be stupid.
.500 at Oregon State is probably closer to .750 at a decent school. We shall see. Oregon State sure isn't doing well at all right now. 7-20 in the last 2+ years with Andersen. Worse than Riley ever did. Two blowouts in 3 games and a 3 point win against an FCS school at home so far this year.
What was andersen's record at Wisconsin and Utah? We've been told forever now that your career record follows you wherever you go. Riley is career .500 and will always be .500... what's the deal with Andersen? Wasn't he at least 65% at his last two stops? How is he now 35% or whatever it is?
We will see. It's way to early to make pronouncements. Certainly Ril...I mean Anderson...needs five years before you can make a decision how good he's doing.
At OSU, he is 25% and he hasn't even gotten to conference play. Could be a really ugly year.
Recruiting and getting quality players into the new system is a big step. They will get better with time as they are only sophomores or younger
I agree. What is kind of strange is that Callahan helped to bring the program down. I agree. However, through their first 28 games, guess who has the better record?
Bo's second year, he was 10-4. Bo's first 2 years were far better than Riley's. Will Riley's next few years be better than Bo's? I don't know, but I hope so.
In all seriousness, Riley did go 2-7 in the Pac 10 in his last year at Oregon State. The plate was pretty bare. That seems more of a dumpster fire than the 9-3 Bo left us with. (And for the record that was bad too.)
Absolutely possible. It seems to me the offense Anderson runs was not what was in place at Oregon State.
I don't think any of the first group mentioned sucked like you say they did. I think nearly every one of them came in right away and improved their team's position from where they were.
Doesn't matter now. He should have his own players in place now. Isn't that the standard many people are holding Riley to?
Actually, most here appear to me to be saying he needs at least five years.
I mean as far as not telling our entire fan base to *9%9 off.
Shoot... hoped to have my edit in place before you responded.Actually, most here appear to me to be saying he needs at least five years.
Let's be clear about Bo's last year where Bo lost three games. He was a finger tip grab away in the last minute of the game from beating a Michigan State team on their home field that went to the 4 team playoff. He was blown out by Wisconsin but then lost a close game to Minnesota where we had a ten point lead towards the end of the 3rd quarter.
Everyone knows Bo was a jerk and deserved to get axed.
Sure. I don't think it's crazy for fans to expect two wins in the Pac 12 for OSU this year.
Wrong. Here is a link to the depth chart to his last game in 2007 vs. Colorado. Now use the Rivals database and tell me how of these starters weren't Callahan recruits.
That's fair...
Mike Riley was 2-13 in his last 15 pac 12 games at Oregon State. Andersen has not done well but to say he inherited a sinking ship might be an understatement.
If it was such a sinking ship why are there only 7 starters that are freshmen or sophomores (including redshirts) on the team? 15 of Riley's recruits starting...
Actually, most here appear to me to be saying he needs at least five years.
Let's be clear about Bo's last year where Bo lost three games. He was a finger tip grab away in the last minute of the game from beating a Michigan State team on their home field that went to the 4 team playoff. He was blown out by Wisconsin but then lost a close game to Minnesota where we had a ten point lead with 16 minutes to go in the game.
His record is worse because he went 6-7. You can't not include that. Also......in his 2nd and third year Bo went 10-4. Not 9-4. So yes his record is worse. After 2 years and 2 games he was 21-8. Mike Riley is 16-12
Yep...I missed that one. That team was co-Big Ten Champs and won the Cotton Bowl. Strangely, the next year was Riley's biggest one by far in a year when we finished the regular season under .500
