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Discussion in 'Husker Board' started by SLOHusker, Jun 3, 2020.
you do understand Trump passed the first step act ... you might want to read it
Earlier you had said that it doesn't end well for conservative policy positions and now you're citing things that haven't even happened that you perceive are going to happen? I'll wait for you to answer my initial inquiry. Deflection is really all I needed to prove my point anyway. You need to learn to think for yourself.
There aren't laws on the books that are racist. That is bullshit. The logical argument or counterpoint to that, is that law in theory, and law in practice are subject to different standards. I understand laws arent always practiced fairly, but that lies with individuals. The system, or institution In itself is not even close to racist. Neither is any policy I have seen passed or even proposed
Alright fellas, been fun. Truly enjoyed the perspectives shared here. I should be back in a couple weeks. Not sure exactly when.
I think if you look at attitudes about strict drug laws from the 80's and 90's and the slide leftwards to today, that's not been kind to conservative policy positions about law enforcement. Part of that is because of changing attitudes about drugs themselves, part of that because of budget realities with ever growing pressures on bottom lines. Race plays a part too with folks throwing about how it over captures black offenders vice white ones.
Seems like every time we have some injustice, policy comes up about using non-lethal force and other items like miranda/chain of custody/timing/etc, that conservatives decry as shifting the balance of power further towards the criminal and aiding democratic defense lawyers. That's been an on-going thing for decades now.
I'm not exactly sure what changes might come to police forces at this time, same as anyone else. But I imagine that even if we don't see mass disbanding of police forces, resdistribution of law enforcement funds to social work to impact communities to not require policing is not a traditional conservative policy position. It will likely be decried by the conservative crowd.
Are those items specific enough?
I might ask you to show examples of the opposite, when race goes on trial in the public sphere, what conservative policy positions have been enhanced and embiggened?
No sir. Drug laws are not racist in nature. It's like you think white people dont get arrested for drugs in equal proportion. Black population is much smaller than white, yet they have a vast majority of Distriburion charges. That is not innocent recreational drug use. Nobody makes a guy have 7 kids with different mothers and sell crack to buy beer and cigarettes. If you sell drugs, or commit crimes with drugs in your pocket, your going down. Now some cops may use their discretion and leinancy differently, but that is not the point. I know racist shit happens but it's a minority of incidents, and it is not systemic or institutional.
Also most of the states making the most fuss about policy issues are Democratic states with Democratic lawmakers
I think you are misunderstanding what I said originally. I said that when the debate comes up about racial injustice, generally the outcome of that is not kind to conservative policy positions. Not that the policy positions themselves were inherently racist.
I personally do not believe the drug laws to be racist or inequitable. However, drug laws are brought up when racism/injustice are brought up in the public sphere. Whether drug laws actually were or were not racist, drug enforcement has slid left over the years...ie not kind to conservative policy positions.
I think you make it about left or right, but cant cite where the right has interest in racist policy. I am non partisan, the mob you see whacked out on tv are the crazy left that believe the right are the source of all evil and the left are here to liberate the country. I think it's all batshit crazy and every issue has very clear right and wrong to them. I think you trying to make an assertion that conservative policy is disproportionately negatively effected is baseless and party loyalty based. Thats all.
Yah but they are forcing the door open at the federal level.
Alright, have to go for real.
I didn't say the right has inherent racist policy. For the last time.
When the right engages in debates on race, they almost always concede ground in policy. That's all.
Nothing about whether the policy is racist or not. Period.
Classic. Confronted with non irate, non partisan facts that are contrary to your b.s. and you bow out.
Sentencing for crack and cocaine knowing who you uses what is racist.
It's the same drug.
And white people have meth brother
filtering everything thru the prism of race is racist
Black and white charged the same for every one of them. Nobody makes a black person use crack man. Blacks use coke whites use crack. Your argument has no real base. Its emotive. Nothing against you. Just wrong.
Wow. He really needs a TelePrompTer.