You guys are so cute. If only there was a board somewhere where you could all gather and talk about mighty UCF.
It Would Not be Wise For Frost to Nebraska
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A Bowl Game trophy, WOW. I remember when I had my first beer.
The commuter school stuff is getting old. This is what a Fiesta Bowl trophy looks like. Actually, it's what any kind of trophy looks like. We've had afew in the last 10 years. I'm posting it because you haven't seen one lately. At least, not on your campus.
We're not praying anyone takes notice. They are. See the national rankings and media. The only reason ANYONE is paying attention to Nebraska right now is because you're going to fire your coach and try to take ours.
Rationalize potential??? Dude, we're the ones that have won anything recently. All you have now is potential, as in, "who is potentially going to be your next coach"?
What case there is no case. But congrats on that one Fiesta Bowl trophy, super cool.
NU is trying to get back to where it has been. UCF hasn't been there, and likely never will be.
Agree you are trying to get back. Also agree UCF hasn't been there if you are talking about National Championships.
So ... both of us are trying to get there. See? We have that in common. Keep in mind though, a few years ago when we won the Fiesta Bowl, we defeated the 5th ranked and Big12 champion Baylor. Our only loss that year was by 3 points to#12 South Carolina. An argument could be made that we are closer than you are. ;-)
An argument could be made. Not a good one. Hell, I’d argue Rutgers is closer than UCF. Fact is, you are not part of a power 5 conference. Unless that changes, you likely will never have a real chance at competing for a National Title. You may go undefeated this year and a 1 loss Clemson/OSU/OU team will likely get the nod over you.
Unfortunately, that is true. It puts us in the position of hoping USF goes undefeated into our game as they and us could both be ranked in the top 12 by then.
Fact: UCF has more on-campus students than the entire UN system population combined. 45301 is not bad for a school that had to work for what they have instead of being land granted and grandfathered, and its considerably larger than the school whom you hired your newest AD from is. If they got to play Michigan, Wisconsin, Penn St. OhioSt each year you wouldn't have the attendance excuse either. Why don't you go ask NASA or Lockheed Martin if UCF is just a directional school looking for attention. All you are doing is showing your ignorance.
Demography demands a campus like UCF in the state of Florida. I have no doubt the athletic programs of the school will continue to grow and excel. But as it stands now, it is NU that gets to play the B1G teams as it is a member of that conference. If I were in your shoes, I would want to keep Frost as well. He appears to be a young, talented coach. But there is a strong possibility that his alma mater may call upon him. And the call from home isn't just from fans, but will also be from former coaches and teammates. I would imagine he will have a hard time saying no and probably will say yes if the deal goes down that way.
The commuter school stuff is getting old. This is what a Fiesta Bowl trophy looks like. Actually, it's what any kind of trophy looks like. We've had afew in the last 10 years. I'm posting it because you haven't seen one lately. At least, not on your campus.
We're not praying anyone takes notice. They are. See the national rankings and media. The only reason ANYONE is paying attention to Nebraska right now is because you're going to fire your coach and try to take ours.
Rationalize potential??? Dude, we're the ones that have won anything recently. All you have now is potential, as in, "who is potentially going to be your next coach"?
Good Luck with that.
Hey the state of Florida has a large population and is growing. I get that. Just because UCF has a large enrollment does not make it just another directional commuter school. Where is the tradition? Not just in sports but school tradition? How long has UCF been a FBS school? Nebraska had two national championships before UCF even fielded a Div. III football team. UCF did not become a FBS school until 1996. It has done well but there is no way in 21 years of playing big boy football it can come close to the tradition, reputation and prestige of a Nebraska. Nebraska sells out when they play any school, big or small. You maintain that if UCF played P5 tradition rich schools that attendance at UCF games would not be a problem. I think you have to prove it first. I live in Washington and if you ask anyone out here in the West about Florida schools they are going to mention, Florida, Florida State and Miami. UCF is a good school for an old coach who is best known for falsifying his resume, but for a young coach with plenty of ambition the goal is to take the helm of a P5 with unlimited resources.
2016 UCF 35802 average attendance in a 45000 seat capacity stadium
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I don't think the quality of school matters at all (UCF vs. UNL) - to the next head coach. They will come to Nebraska because it is in the Big 10 - and if you do your job right - you play for a conference championship. Win that game - you play for a National Championship. At UCF - you can't do that. You need 13-0 and luck to play for the MNC.
For Frost specifically - he may say no because he knows all the shortcomings in Lincoln and wait for a Power 5 job where recruiting is easier and fan pressure is not intense. Depends on why a coach is taking the job. The path to be able to play for MNCs is pretty clear for Nebraska. Big 10 West is MUCH easier than SEC West. Tennessee job is in the SEC East (good on path to MNC and recruiting) but their fans are probably worse than Nebraska fans when it comes to expectations. We can't read Frost's mind - only he knows what he wants for the next step. If it is $CASH$....well we may have to back up the Brinks truck.
For Frost specifically - he may say no because he knows all the shortcomings in Lincoln and wait for a Power 5 job where recruiting is easier and fan pressure is not intense. Depends on why a coach is taking the job. The path to be able to play for MNCs is pretty clear for Nebraska. Big 10 West is MUCH easier than SEC West. Tennessee job is in the SEC East (good on path to MNC and recruiting) but their fans are probably worse than Nebraska fans when it comes to expectations. We can't read Frost's mind - only he knows what he wants for the next step. If it is $CASH$....well we may have to back up the Brinks truck.
Who said Nebraska was trying to take your coach? Or going to?
Just because he's popular with the fans doesn't mean all that much.
Prior to MR there were a lot of popular choices and MR wasn't one of them. One day we're talking about hiring a Frost type and BOOM! Some coach many have never heard of is behind the wheel.
They just hired a new AD and MR is still our coach, we don't even know for certain if he'll be removed from the position.
That's exactly the draw to UCF though. It isn't a commuter school, it's more diverse of a school than Nebraska. More people go there. More people graduate there. More people are entering the work force across the country from there. You see a young program with a growing (not non-existent) tradition as a negative, upstarts like Frost (and others) see that as an opportunity. The impact UCF makes goes beyond football, their basketball team could be great this year. Their Baseball team is very strong. Their womens basketball and Soccer are some of the best in the country. When was the last time Nebraska had that kind of ubiquity? The point is that the only negatives you mention are based off of what you know. In the kindest way possible, what you know is very localized. You have your flag in the ground and feel very safe there, no one is invading your territory and it is well funded. Meanwhile the other guy is all around you gaining strength. You don't feel small now but when (not if) UCF is a P5 school from the $ perspective UN will never compare athletically or academically again. That has nothing to do with Frost, the chances of him staying anywhere forever (much less UCF) are non-existent, that just isn't a thing in today's realm.
I wish you all the best, I'd prefer you avert your attention to another coaching candidate, but understand why you want him. I think Riley is there another year IMO. I don't think Frost would take the job even if it was offered, as such, I don't think UN will extend a public offer to Frost. No losers in that case. The time for UN to grab Frost was when he was actively seeking the job and you took Riley instead. A guy whose leaving in a few months wouldn't be investing his own money into the school he's about to leave.
Ok lets get real Husker fans...
- Only reason for Frost to stay at UCF for an extended time (+3 years) would be because of his pride or a rare guarantee of expansion. Otherwise he is just a young coach in the G5 using UCF as a stepping stone.
- Only reason for Frost to go to Nebraska is pride and quick cash.
With the current trajectory of G5 coaches, it would be a much smarter decision to dominate at UCF for a little longer and go to a top 10.
Good luck Nebraska fans, I respect your program and hope you see better days.
- Only reason for Frost to stay at UCF for an extended time (+3 years) would be because of his pride or a rare guarantee of expansion. Otherwise he is just a young coach in the G5 using UCF as a stepping stone.
- Only reason for Frost to go to Nebraska is pride and quick cash.
With the current trajectory of G5 coaches, it would be a much smarter decision to dominate at UCF for a little longer and go to a top 10.
Good luck Nebraska fans, I respect your program and hope you see better days.
I don't know Scott Frost other than to watch him play football for the Huskers and coach when he was at Oregon so I have no idea if he wants to coach at Nebraska. However most coaches want to move up to P5 jobs. As I stated earlier you UCF supporters are still left praying and hoping for a P5 slot. Good luck with that. When I read about what schools are likely to move up the schools I see most often mentioned are BYU, Boise State and Colorado State. I think UCF may have been mentioned in regard to the Big 12. The Big 12 is currently a bit of a mess and it's biggest proponent for expansion, OU President David Boren is retiring. I wasn't aware that another P5 conference had guaranteed UCF a place at their table, but keep on hoping.
I was at the Nebraska v. UCF game in 1997 (UCF was winning against SF at halftime). I can say first hand that the Nebraska fans were top notch people. When I was wearing my UCF gear I never paid for a meal or a drink. I was thanked for making the trip and came away with a large amount of respect for NU fans.
One of the best things about being a UCF fan is that historically we will play anyone anywhere. Over my 30+ years as an alumni I have been to games at UGA, Auburn, BYU, Wisconsin, Penn State, Arizona State, UF, GT, South Carolina, Maryland, Kansas State, Texas, Stanford, Ole Miss, NC State, Alabama and FSU. I have seen some of the worst and best that college football has to offer. NU does have a very good cult-like following and close knit fan group. Throughout my travels there is one consistent fact, and that is 99% of people have no clue about what UCF is like as a school or program. They do not know how big it is, or what a beautiful and modern campus it is or how conveniently located it is. Because it is a relatively young school they tend to pigeonhole it as a "commuter school" or group it with other G5 schools. UCF is one of, if not THE G5 school for a coach. The facilities are top notch and the location for recruiting it as good as it gets and the pay is pretty darn good given the limited resources (frost make 2+ million a year). In truth the only thing holding UCF football back is the money that comes from conference affiliation.
Because of this ignorance about UCF, fans have a giant chip on their shoulders about fans from long established programs asserting superiority just because they have been around for 100 years. Some of the fans on this board fall into that category by saying "why would any coach stay at UCF when a p5 comes calling". There are many reasons why they would stay. There are usually Million$$ of reasons to leave.
Unlike many of the UCF fans I don't think any program is too far removed for some coach to bring it back. However, it is true that certain programs are more desirable than others. In this case without Scott Frosts' close ties to Nebraska I don't think there would be much interest. There is just not the same synergies that made him a success at Oregon and UCF and as a football culture Nebraska does not fit Frost's current mold. I don't think money is the driving force for Frost, but family seems to be a big part. There is no doubt that he sees NU football as part of his family, but he also likes the lifestyle at UCF that allows him to recruit all day and be back in time for dinner and be with his real family rather than in an airport.
My guess is that this will be a very difficult decision for Scott Frost and Nebraska fans need to recognize that. I don't think this is a slam dunk for NU. The condescending statements to this regard of course inflame the UCF fans and they react with their own outlandish claims. My guess is that should Frost decline to leave UCF, many NU fans will see that as a slap in the face. But it is not as simple as that.
I will always respect the NU fans for what I experienced in Lincoln that weekend, but much of what I read on this board and what has been posted on the UCF board flies in the face of that experience.
One of the best things about being a UCF fan is that historically we will play anyone anywhere. Over my 30+ years as an alumni I have been to games at UGA, Auburn, BYU, Wisconsin, Penn State, Arizona State, UF, GT, South Carolina, Maryland, Kansas State, Texas, Stanford, Ole Miss, NC State, Alabama and FSU. I have seen some of the worst and best that college football has to offer. NU does have a very good cult-like following and close knit fan group. Throughout my travels there is one consistent fact, and that is 99% of people have no clue about what UCF is like as a school or program. They do not know how big it is, or what a beautiful and modern campus it is or how conveniently located it is. Because it is a relatively young school they tend to pigeonhole it as a "commuter school" or group it with other G5 schools. UCF is one of, if not THE G5 school for a coach. The facilities are top notch and the location for recruiting it as good as it gets and the pay is pretty darn good given the limited resources (frost make 2+ million a year). In truth the only thing holding UCF football back is the money that comes from conference affiliation.
Because of this ignorance about UCF, fans have a giant chip on their shoulders about fans from long established programs asserting superiority just because they have been around for 100 years. Some of the fans on this board fall into that category by saying "why would any coach stay at UCF when a p5 comes calling". There are many reasons why they would stay. There are usually Million$$ of reasons to leave.
Unlike many of the UCF fans I don't think any program is too far removed for some coach to bring it back. However, it is true that certain programs are more desirable than others. In this case without Scott Frosts' close ties to Nebraska I don't think there would be much interest. There is just not the same synergies that made him a success at Oregon and UCF and as a football culture Nebraska does not fit Frost's current mold. I don't think money is the driving force for Frost, but family seems to be a big part. There is no doubt that he sees NU football as part of his family, but he also likes the lifestyle at UCF that allows him to recruit all day and be back in time for dinner and be with his real family rather than in an airport.
My guess is that this will be a very difficult decision for Scott Frost and Nebraska fans need to recognize that. I don't think this is a slam dunk for NU. The condescending statements to this regard of course inflame the UCF fans and they react with their own outlandish claims. My guess is that should Frost decline to leave UCF, many NU fans will see that as a slap in the face. But it is not as simple as that.
I will always respect the NU fans for what I experienced in Lincoln that weekend, but much of what I read on this board and what has been posted on the UCF board flies in the face of that experience.
