I miss the Big 12

[Madison6661]

You put a lot of work into this but I don't know if this is completely accurate or complete. Just seems like a huge difference. Not throwing you under the bus. Can you provide what source you searched?

Sure. I just went online and took the information from the Big Ten commissioner and the Big 12 commissioner and their sites as well as articles that were written covering the payouts for both teams. I did have to research each year (which took time) and in some years I did find the payouts could differ by a +-million dollars depending on the source or article I was reading. I was just trying to put together an HONEST look at the money. The major reason for the difference is that Nebraska was not at a full share of the Big Ten revenue for the first seven years. That being said the numbers are the numbers and Kansas State has made 74 million dollars more than Nebraska since Nebraska has joined the Big Ten. As I also stated Nebraska will make 50 million dollars this year with as a full share member. Even if Kansas State only makes 40 million this year (low) and my numbers were off by 24 million (not possible but let's go with it) so that Kansas State only had more income of 50 mil instead of the 74 mil compared to Nebraska, it would take Nebraska 5 more years to even break even with Kansas State.
And again Kansas State is towards the bottom of the Big 12 in revenue. It is well documented that Texas makes 15 mil a year just on the tier 3 money. In the long run Nebraska may make more money but the truth is the truth.

 

[smilelock]

http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/

 

[huskerfan66]

http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/

This looks a little more like I expected to see.

 

[huskerfan66]

Sure. I just went online and took the information from the Big Ten commissioner and the Big 12 commissioner and their sites as well as articles that were written covering the payouts for both teams. I did have to research each year (which took time) and in some years I did find the payouts could differ by a +-million dollars depending on the source or article I was reading. I was just trying to put together an HONEST look at the money. The major reason for the difference is that Nebraska was not at a full share of the Big Ten revenue for the first seven years. That being said the numbers are the numbers and Kansas State has made 74 million dollars more than Nebraska since Nebraska has joined the Big Ten. As I also stated Nebraska will make 50 million dollars this year with as a full share member. Even if Kansas State only makes 40 million this year (low) and my numbers were off by 24 million (not possible but let's go with it) so that Kansas State only had more income of 50 mil instead of the 74 mil compared to Nebraska, it would take Nebraska 5 more years to even break even with Kansas State.
And again Kansas State is towards the bottom of the Big 12 in revenue. It is well documented that Texas makes 15 mil a year just on the tier 3 money. In the long run Nebraska may make more money but the truth is the truth.

One other thing, I believe the BIG paid our severance fee to the big12

 

[Jah Broni]

I miss the Big 12 but can you imagine if the SEC would have wanted us? Nebraska in the SEC, probably would still be 0-6.

 

[Larry Hagman's Liver]

Not sure I'd want to also get our arses kicked by Iowa State though.

Bad enough we lose to the stinkin' Hawkeyes.

New to the board today, huh? And this was your first post?

Weird, most Husker fans are more confident when speaking about the Iowa teams we've historically owned. Guess you're just one of the meek ones, eh?

 

[birdman1973]

New to the board today, huh? And this was your first post?

Weird, most Husker fans are more confident when speaking about the Iowa teams we've historically owned. Guess you're just one of the meek ones, eh?

Well the Hawkeyes are certainly going in a different direction than GBR. Hopefully when you decide to keep a coach for more than 3 years you will stabilize your program and will get better. Changing coaches leaves the new coach with at least 3 years of recruits that may or may not match new style.

 

[headcard]

Well the Hawkeyes are certainly going in a different direction than GBR. Hopefully when you decide to keep a coach for more than 3 years you will stabilize your program and will get better. Changing coaches leaves the new coach with at least 3 years of recruits that may or may not match new style.

Iowa isn't going in any direction, the same as always. Just because we suck right now doesn't somehow change what Iowa is.

 

[EvanstonCat]

Haha.... Nebraska back in the day would have gone a half decade without losing a conference game had they been in the BIG.

Yeah, and that's what the University of Chicago says too.

It's not back in the day, it's today. And today, Nebraska is 0-6.

 

[headcard]

Yeah, and that's what the University of Chicago says too.

It's not back in the day, it's today. And today, Nebraska is 0-6.

Thanks for the update, glad you are around to reminded us, repeatedly.

 

[Madison6661]

http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/

This is

http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/

This is total revenue and not what the Big Ten or Big 12 has paid each team for being in their conference.

 

[HuskerinHawkLand]

New to the board today, huh? And this was your first post?

Weird, most Husker fans are more confident when speaking about the Iowa teams we've historically owned. Guess you're just one of the meek ones, eh?

Do you think Nebraska could beat Iowa State this year?

Kind of a conspiracy theorist, aren't ya?

Unlike many around here, I try to look forward and not backward. As of today, it would be a tall, tall task for this team to beat any team in Iowa, except maybe UNI.

 

[JDarwin]

Yeah right! So much drama and exaggeration here, I just shook my head. The mighty WVU team who got hammered by ISU - who got dominated by Iowa, who is probably our 5th or 6th best team. The problem with the Big 12, they forgot how to play defense. Their scores are more like basketball scores (48-45? Seriously do their punters ever kick the ball?)

“ISU got dominated by Iowa” LOL.

Neither team could do squat. ISU had the ball trailing 6-3 with 7 minutes left in the game. ISU didn’t get to play the previous week due to weather (same as Nebraska) and was making their debut against a stout Iowa defensive line. And they played the second half with the back up and now 3rd string QB.

Kudos to Iowa for the win, but that was an even game all around and not one I would care to watch again as it was boring. And ISU and Iowa are both middle of the pack in their conferences.

Maryland had a nice win over Texas and the Big 12 last place team beat the Big Tem last place team 55-7. I don’t get the pissing match. Big 12 and Big Ten are both solid conferences. I don’t get West Virginia, Rutgers, and Maryland being in this picture and I’m sad A&M, Colorado, and Missouri are out of the picture.

Things were better before the change imo.

 

[hdhntr1]

Who would you (and the country) rather watch us play,

Northwestern
Iowa
Purdue
Illinois
Minnesota
Rutgers
Indiana
Maryland
Wisconsin

Or

Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
Texas
Texas Tech
West Virginia
Kansas State
Kansas
Baylor
Iowa State
TCU

I miss the Big 12 and the rivalries with the teams there and I think most of the country could care less about watching us play the Big Ten teams listed above.

It was a money grab. Helped in some ways and hurt in others

 

[Huskersgod]

"Our" school... you're precious. But I believe that AD was on loan from Wisconsin, so...

Awww you're a precocious child. Sorry I don't hide the truth like you. You got bombed on your original comment because you are short sighted and have a low IQ. I can keep blasting you though if you have time to stop talking about kiddie porn - pervert

 

[Larry Hagman's Liver]

Awww you're a precocious child. Sorry I don't hide the truth like you. You got bombed on your original comment because you are short sighted and have a low IQ. I can keep blasting you though if you have time to stop talking about kiddie porn - pervert

I seriously can't discern more than about 50% of your babble in any given post. You are a very strange person.

 

[hdhntr1]

Dude, mix in having sex.

He does, with himself

 

[Larry Hagman's Liver]

It was a money grab. Helped in some ways and hurt in others

It wasn't a money grab. It was making sure NU was in secure place when/if the Big 12 dissolved. We didn't leave a stable conference for another because there was more money waiting for us. We left a house built on shifting sands (at the time) because the B1G was the most (and probably only) appealing option we had available.

 

[hdhntr1]

I'm not saying it will happen but there is a fair amount of fan base in both Nebraska & Arkansas that wouldn't mind competing in the Big 12. Those two additions would make the Big 12 a really good league.

I think both Nebraska & Arkansas would do better in the Big 12 than their current leagues. Even if the tv money would be a little less with success comes better fundraising which could offset the difference if it was small.

I think if Nebraska is to do better in the B1G the league would need to do divisions something more like
Div A: PSU, Neb., Ia., Md., Rutgers, Wisconsin, Illinois
Div B: OSU, Mich., MSU, Mn., Northwestern, Indiana, Purdue

Nebraska needs more access to the states in the league that have more recruits. The problem is PSU wants to play OSU every year which maybe that game could be protected. The other issue is the PSU vs OSU/Mich. have both been monster ratings games each year (some of the highest in CFB) and I don't see the B1G wanting to interrupt that.

To tell the truth, BIG territory is not the greatest as far as talent. That would be TX, FL or CA

 

[Huskersgod]

I seriously can't discern more than about 50% of your babble in any given post. You are a very strange person.

I have a feeling you "discerned" it just fine. You are a pervert man, get some help!

 

[Larry Hagman's Liver]

I have a feeling you "discerned" it just fine. You are a pervert man, get some help!

So you're just going to parrot this weak pervert line over and over in every thread? I know you haven't fared very well thus far, but it that really what you're reduced to now?

 

[smilelock]

This is

This is total revenue and not what the Big Ten or Big 12 has paid each team for being in their conference.

Think you can tell by this you are not better off being in the big 12. There is TV revenue and a whole bunch of things to take into account beyond what the direct payments are from the big 10. If you can honestly look at that data and present a coherent argument for being in the big 12 and not being Oklahoma or Texas I would be shocked.

 

[Huskersgod]

So you're just going to parrot this weak pervert line over and over in every thread? I know you haven't fared very well thus far, but it that really what you're reduced to now?

Ya probably, it seems to be accurate and bothering you.

 

[Larry Hagman's Liver]

Ya probably, it seems to be accurate and bothering you.

Keep telling yourself that.

(Pats Huskersgod on the head for the 100th time)

 

[Huskersgod]

Keep telling yourself that.

(Pats Huskersgod on the head for the 100th time)

Okay deal! Anorexically thin

 

[Madison6661]

Think you can tell by this you are not better off being in the big 12. There is TV revenue and a whole bunch of things to take into account beyond what the direct payments are from the big 10. If you can honestly look at that data and present a coherent argument for being in the big 12 and not being Oklahoma or Texas I would be shocked.

It's not an argument or a reason for being or not being in the Big 12. It is simply math. I have a lot of my friends say one of the reasons Nebraska left was for the money. If you read my earlier post I went year by year what Nebraska has got paid by the Big Ten and what Kansas State got paid by the Big 12 from 2011 to today. Wheather we like it or not Kansas State in the Big 12 has made 74 million dollars more than what the Big Ten conference has paid to Nebraska since 2011 to today. I totally agree that money is only one aspect of looking at the move and there are many positive points of being in the Big Ten.

 

[Larry Hagman's Liver]

Okay deal! Anorexically thin

Do you just mash the keyboard with your fists or are you actually trying to string sentences together? I honestly can't tell.

 

[headcard]

Do you just mash the keyboard with your fists or are you actually trying to string sentences together? I honestly can't tell.

 

[smilelock]

It's not an argument or a reason for being or not being in the Big 12. It is simply math. I have a lot of my friends say one of the reasons Nebraska left was for the money. If you read my earlier post I went year by year what Nebraska has got paid by the Big Ten and what Kansas State got paid by the Big 12 from 2011 to today. Wheather we like it or not Kansas State in the Big 12 has made 74 million dollars more than what the Big Ten conference has paid to Nebraska since 2011 to today. I totally agree that money is only one aspect of looking at the move and there are many positive points of being in the Big Ten.

I just proved to you that you that it is not the case when you include all factors. And also Nebraska is just now in 2018 a full share of the process so you should be ahead of maybe even Iowa (which you should be). Idk to think you would make more money in the big 12 is just asinine to me, you really can’t believe that. The payouts are only a small percentage of the equation. West Virginia is third in the big 12. Minnesota is ahead of them. I mean just look at the whole picture

 

[Larry Hagman's Liver]

It's not an argument or a reason for being or not being in the Big 12. It is simply math. I have a lot of my friends say one of the reasons Nebraska left was for the money. If you read my earlier post I went year by year what Nebraska has got paid by the Big Ten and what Kansas State got paid by the Big 12 from 2011 to today. Wheather we like it or not Kansas State in the Big 12 has made 74 million dollars more than what the Big Ten conference has paid to Nebraska since 2011 to today. I totally agree that money is only one aspect of looking at the move and there are many positive points of being in the Big Ten.

We knew we weren't getting a full share when we joined the conference. As TO said at the time, it was a 100-year decision, not a 5- to 10-year decision. As of today, as a full member, NU easily makes more than it would have in the Big 12.

I appreciate the time you took to crunch these numbers, but it really doesn't matter how much NU left on the table between 2010 and now. It was all so we could arrive at this point. And we're stone-cold raking it athletically and academically (billions through the CIC as mentioned above). Given the inept commissioner we had upon our exit from the B1G, we're very happy to have Delany at the negotiating table.

To put it another way, do you think a doctor cares about the money they would have made during the years they were in medical school?

 

[regoratsginrom]

To put it another way, do you think a doctor cares about the money they would have made during the years they were in medical school?[/QUOTE]

With today's medical school debt, it's certainly possible.

 

[Madison6661]

We knew we weren't getting a full share when we joined the conference. As TO said at the time, it was a 100-year decision, not a 5- to 10-year decision. As of today, as a full member, NU easily makes more than it would have in the Big 12.

I appreciate the time you took to crunch these numbers, but it really doesn't matter how much NU left on the table between 2010 and now. It was all so we could arrive at this point. And we're stone-cold raking it athletically and academically (billions through the CIC as mentioned above). Given the inept commissioner we had upon our exit from the B1G, we're very happy to have Delany at the negotiating table.

To put it another way, do you think a doctor cares about the money they would have made during the years they were in medical school?

I guess I am just an old fart but I just enjoyed the traditions and rivalries that we had in the Big 8 and the Big 12 that took 100 years to create. I am sure that in the next 100 years new rivalries will be established. No knock on the Big Ten but I just can't get excited about playing Iowa and Minnesota.
I am sure that there are old fart Big Ten fans around that would prefer a round robin schedule with the original ten schools of the Big Ten rather than playing Rutgers, Maryland, or Nebraska. When I gathered the information for the numbers in my previous post it was only to show that more money was not reason that Nebraska left. In my opinion it is sad what is going on in college football. My wife went to an SEC school and loves college football. With a 14 team conference in the SEC their rivalries are also going away. I believe that Georgia will not even play at Alabama until 2025. This is just one example, such a shame. And our friends that are big SEC supporters can't stand Missouri in the conference. In their words they just "don't fit". I normally do not post and this will be my last. I would just like to wish Nebraska and the Big Ten the best over the next 100 years.

 

[ExcellentBread]

And as I’ve said twice before in this thread. Despite popular opinion it’s not all about football. CIC research money is $10 BILLION, distributed amount the 14 Big Ten schools. The Big 12 will likely never match that. NU is not going to walk away from a $10B dollar pool of money on the chance that we MAY break even in sports TV revenue by going back to the Big 12. You all are living a pipe dream. It’s not happening. Not now, and not anytime in the near or even distant future. The Big Ten is home. It’s time everyone got used to it and moved on.

The (former) CIC does not distribute research grants from a pool of money. Rather, Big10 universities collectively participated in that amount of funding.

The (former) CIC allows some really great opportunities for cooperative purchasing for discounts and things like library sharing but it amounts to zero financial interest for any member university as it pertains to grant award or research performed. You really should educate yourself on what the big 10 academic alliance is if you want to discuss it with others.

 

[Larry Hagman's Liver]

I guess I am just an old fart but I just enjoyed the traditions and rivalries that we had in the Big 8 and the Big 12 that took 100 years to create. I am sure that in the next 100 years new rivalries will be established. No knock on the Big Ten but I just can't get excited about playing Iowa and Minnesota.
I am sure that there are old fart Big Ten fans around that would prefer a round robin schedule with the original ten schools of the Big Ten rather than playing Rutgers, Maryland, or Nebraska. When I gathered the information for the numbers in my previous post it was only to show that more money was not reason that Nebraska left. In my opinion it is sad what is going on in college football. My wife went to an SEC school and loves college football. With a 14 team conference in the SEC their rivalries are also going away. I believe that Georgia will not even play at Alabama until 2025. This is just one example, such a shame. And our friends that are big SEC supporters can't stand Missouri in the conference. In their words they just "don't fit". I normally do not post and this will be my last. I would just like to wish Nebraska and the Big Ten the best over the next 100 years.

No need for leave. I appreciate the heartfelt sentiment. Was just responding to the financial side you presented. People also have their guard up, myself included, because there have been so many fake posts/posters lately. Peace.

 

[wkato]

First, calm down.

Second, it has nothing to do with post counts. There are plenty of people with high post counts that don't garner respect. There are also people with low post counts that are highly respected. To contend that it's all about that is intellectually lazy.

It's how you interact with and treat people. You also have to make meaningful contributions to the board over a period of time. The poster in question has performed at a high level in both areas over a period of years. His high post count is just a by-product.

When someone no one has ever heard of shows up guns-a-blazin' and starts throwing shade at a poster who's proven himself to be rock solid, they deserve to be called out. You weren't respectful at all. You didn't present an opposing viewpoint and engage in a rational debate. You just started taking shots.

Maybe if you were a little more familiar with this board or how message boards work in general (or even how human behavior works in general), you would know that's a foolish way to make an introduction. It's like you started a new job, walked in on your first day and shouted, "I don't care how long any of you have worked here or how much experience you have, none of you are more important than me!!!"

You just put respect pretty much on post count in your explanation. I've been here longer than you think and quite familiar with this board, other boards, and boards in general. I'm also familiar with the posters here and the types who post endlessly on them. Some people post regularly while even more just sit back and observe. Doesn't make us any less of a member, were just not into a lot of the trivial BS that goes on which has nothing whatsoever to do with the Huskers.

I personally observe more than I post for one simple reason, to see what's happening with my Huskers. I haven't been in Nebraska since the 80's, but I can log into the boards anywhere in the world and get a general idea of what the people are saying compared to what's in the news. As for respect, sorry, I hold that for a hire level than the Husker board, but hey, that's just me.

Sorry for offending your friend, I believe that's what this boils down to anyway. Doesn't change the fact he was ranting and raving and being irrational 6 games in with a new coaching staff, gutted team (-20), freshman quarterback, walk-on backup, no punter, hardest Big 10 schedule, and more. I believe we need to sit back, keep our mouths shut (finger relaxed) and let this new adventure play itself out. You and your likes feel the need to fan the fire and rile the troops.

I'll try and devote more time to posting in hopes of raising my post count! My goal will be to earn your respect, thus allowing me the rights in your eyes to say something! Hold your breath while waiting!

Say whatever you like, I'm done with this thread and won't be back to it.