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Now if he can replace mid 3* with 4* and 5*...what an effective running game looks like in a game plan.
It helps if you have even a modicum of a downfield passing game....what an effective running game looks like in a game plan.
It helps if you have even a modicum of a downfield passing game.
Scott Frost isn't going to take note of anything.
Scott Frost isn't going to take note of anything.
Scott Frost isn't going to take note of anything.
Exactly.
Sad but true.
As a player, yes. As a coach, apparently not so much.Not even Tom Osborne
Can a person ignore a moderator for negativity toward NU football?Exactly.
with freshman WR's!!!
with freshman WR's!!!
Can a person ignore a moderator for negativity toward NU football?
"The truth is rarely pure and never simple.” ― Oscar Wilde, The Importance of Being EarnestCan a person ignore a moderator for negativity toward NU football?
WestCoast isn't a moderator. Think you're looking for rrt.WestCoast, your opinion is certainly worthy of consideration - and no doubt correct in many respects. I just think that in the role of moderator you have to be unbiased - or the role of moderator of discussion is compromised. It is an old fashioned concept, but I think we see all around us in social media the fruit of unbiased moderation of discussion.
The offensive line has three 4*s on it already with more in the pipeline. The top 3 QBs are 4*s and great runners as is Wan'dale. Let's also include Betts, Manning and Fadone for next year ( two of the three high 4*s). Seems like pretty good recruiting to me.Now if he can replace mid 3* with 4* and 5*
WestCoast, your opinion is certainly worthy of consideration - and no doubt correct in many respects. I just think that in the role of moderator you have to be unbiased - or the role of moderator of discussion is compromised. It is an old fashioned concept, but I think we see all around us in social media the fruit of unbiased moderation of discussion.
Yes, that is who I was referring to. But then again, in my old age I am becoming a grumpy curmudgeon on these issues of style, form and role of such things as "moderating". Senior moments are apparently becoming senior reality! Sort of the "Clint Eastwood / Gran Torino" style "Get off my lawn" complex.WestCoast isn't a moderator. Think you're looking for rrt.
I winced today listening AGAIN to Nick Handley on 590 whining about Nebraska "not knowing what they want to be". Frost KNOWS what he wants his team to be. We saw it in the second half of the Rutgers game. He wants to be a big play spread offense that can make explosive plays in both the run and pass game. Granted it was Rutgers, but what Frost is doing is really no different than what Ohio State does. The difference today is that they have Fields, Sermon and some sub 4.4 guys at WR Obviously they're extremely talented at every position as well. They are going to have a difficult time IMO finding a guy who can do what Fields does. Do we really want to be a plodding smash mouth team as some would suggest? Fix our QB and you'll see what Nebraska's identity is. It's that simple.The offensive line has three 4*s on it already with more in the pipeline. The top 3 QBs are 4*s and great runners as is Wan'dale. Let's also include Betts, Manning and Fadone for next year ( two of the three high 4*s). Seems like pretty good recruiting to me.
I winced today listening AGAIN to Nick Handley on 590 whining about Nebraska "not knowing what they want to be". Frost KNOWS what he wants his team to be. We saw it in the second half of the Rutgers game. He wants to be a big play spread offense that can make explosive plays in both the run and pass game. Granted it was Rutgers, but what Frost is doing is really no different than what Ohio State does. The difference today is that they have Fields, Sermon and some sub 4.4 guys at WR Obviously they're extremely talented at every position as well. They are going to have a difficult time IMO finding a guy who can do what Fields does. Do we really want to be a plodding smash mouth team as some would suggest? Fix our QB and you'll see what Nebraska's identity is. It's that simple.
I winced today listening AGAIN to Nick Handley on 590 whining about Nebraska "not knowing what they want to be". Frost KNOWS what he wants his team to be. We saw it in the second half of the Rutgers game. He wants to be a big play spread offense that can make explosive plays in both the run and pass game. Granted it was Rutgers, but what Frost is doing is really no different than what Ohio State does. The difference today is that they have Fields, Sermon and some sub 4.4 guys at WR Obviously they're extremely talented at every position as well. They are going to have a difficult time IMO finding a guy who can do what Fields does. Do we really want to be a plodding smash mouth team as some would suggest? Fix our QB and you'll see what Nebraska's identity is. It's that simple.
The offensive line has three 4*s on it already with more in the pipeline. The top 3 QBs are 4*s and great runners as is Wan'dale. Let's also include Betts, Manning and Fadone for next year ( two of the three high 4*s). Seems like pretty good recruiting to me.
Sad but true.
I winced today listening AGAIN to Nick Handley on 590 whining about Nebraska "not knowing what they want to be". Frost KNOWS what he wants his team to be. We saw it in the second half of the Rutgers game. He wants to be a big play spread offense that can make explosive plays in both the run and pass game. Granted it was Rutgers, but what Frost is doing is really no different than what Ohio State does. The difference today is that they have Fields, Sermon and some sub 4.4 guys at WR Obviously they're extremely talented at every position as well. They are going to have a difficult time IMO finding a guy who can do what Fields does. Do we really want to be a plodding smash mouth team as some would suggest? Fix our QB and you'll see what Nebraska's identity is. It's that simple.
I agree we HAVE to run the ball, but as Dr. Tom recognized as well, we need explosive plays. At the end of his tenure Tom was running all kinds of mis-direction with wing backs and WRs. He ran bubble screens to the sidelines. His bounce pass off the turf to a WR was innovative. In my eyes, what Frost is trying to do in many ways is a progression from what Tom was doing when he retired. He was in the shotgun often.Well my kind sir, I'll take a plodding, vicious smash mouth team a 1000 times more than our endless fluff-ball #1 priority. From Clownahan, Smiling Mike & what we've seen so far of HCSF......NU simply MUST somehow get a real deal running game going. Without that......well, I just can't imagine any great results even with our massive amounts of horizontal passes and just throwing the ball anywhere & everywhere.
Sure, it would be terrific to being great at both! But we're a long, long ways away from that (to say the least). But if you can't run the ball......
Dr. Tom was headed down this path when he retired. He said more than once that IF he had continued he would have probably morphed in to a similar spread offense as Urban Meyer was running. You need to stop your whining. This offense would work just fine if we can keep our QBs from giving the ball away via fumbles and interceptions. The problem isn't the offense. The problem is our QBs' execution of the offense.I don't think we can consistently find the players to run the scheme Scott wants to run. At least we haven't been able to get that going so far.
We can find the players consistently to run Tom's style of offense, the one that put us on the map.
It still blows my mind, 6 years later, (3 years of Riley, and 3 years of Frost) Nebraska still hasn't gone back to it's old identity, and we are watching yet another coach 'do it his way, and fail'..
And some want to give it another couple of years.
...what an effective running game looks like in a game plan.
Scotts offense only works if you have a Mariota or Milton caliber of player. Vedral, AM, Luke, and even Bunch weren't able to make it work. So you have to ask yourself how often are you going to get a player like that? and then what will you be like when you don't have that kind of player? (we already know).Dr. Tom was headed down this path when he retired. He said more than once that IF he had continued he would have probably morphed in to a similar spread offense as Urban Meyer was running. You need to stop your whining. This offense would work just fine if we can keep our QBs from giving the ball away via fumbles and interceptions. The problem isn't the offense. The problem is our QBs' execution of the offense.
Scotts offense only works if you have a Mariota or Milton caliber of player. Vedral, AM, Luke, and even Bunch weren't able to make it work. So you have to ask yourself how often are you going to get a player like that? and then what will you be like when you don't have that kind of player? (we already know).
So maybe I should whine some more, because it's pretty obvious that only a small group of people understand that the offensive system is never going to be consistent here if it requires a 'special' player that comes along only once every 20 years at your school.
There is also probably a reason why Oregon never actually won a national championship with this system too.
I agree we HAVE to run the ball, but as Dr. Tom recognized as well, we need explosive plays. At the end of his tenure Tom was running all kinds of mis-direction with wing backs and WRs. He ran bubble screens to the sidelines. His bounce pass off the turf to a WR was innovative. In my eyes, what Frost is trying to do in many ways is a progression from what Tom was doing when he retired. He was in the shotgun often.
I would love to see Scott at times put his QB under center and run power stuff with a fullback and 3 TEs. The traditional option though that he ran got his QBs killed virtually every time he ran it. It appears to me that the zone read option tends to be a little less traumatic on your QB. Man on those old options the QB would get blasted by a linebacker just about every time he pitched the ball. At times it was like standing him up and giving the defense a free shot at your QB.
They had outstanding lines blocking for them as well and our current line isn't quite there yet, but eventually will be. The offensive problems will be solved the older and better the OL as the O can only go as far as the OL will allow it as everything starts with the OLWell partner, I've watched Frazier, Crouch, Gill, Frost, etc play and I don't recall them getting horribly cremated every option play. However, getting crushed from blitzing lbs for the cement shoes qbs sure looks downright vicious to me.
Heh, but to each their own compadre. For me, a nasty running game should be our #1 priority by a country mile. But of course we all have our opinions.
They had outstanding lines blocking for them as well and our current line isn't quite there yet, but eventually will be.
I'm not disagreeing that we need an effective running game. I remember very well how Crouch and Frost couldn't hardly lift their throwing arm over their heads after playing in Tom's offense for a while. People ridiculed their passing mechanics but a lot of that was the beating they took running the option. If we can get a back going like we got Mills going against Rutgers, it makes it a whole lot easier for our QB to be successful.Well partner, I've watched Frazier, Crouch, Gill, Frost, etc play and I don't recall them getting horribly cremated every option play. However, getting crushed from blitzing lbs for the cement shoes qbs sure looks downright vicious to me.
Heh, but to each their own compadre. For me, a nasty running game should be our #1 priority by a country mile. But of course we all have our opinions.
I'm not disagreeing that we need an effective running game. I remember very well how Crouch and Frost couldn't hardly lift their throwing arm over their heads after playing in Tom's offense for a while. People ridiculed their passing mechanics but a lot of that was the beating they took running the option. If we can get a back going like we got Mills going against Rutgers, it makes it a whole lot easier for our QB to be successful.