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In a separate thread last night, I gave us a B- to C+ for this year.
Was hoping for one last surprise recruit, and not seeing one yet, I'm settling in on a C+.
 
I'm going with a B, really like the players we signed but no DT, second OT, or big bodied WR were "unfortunate".
 
A solid B and I'm okay with it. I love the look of this class.

Would have bumped it up if they would have gotten one more OT and big WR.
 
Solid B grade
Love the fact that we didn't lose anybody(verbals) late which seems to happen a lot in recruiting.
Quite a few recruits that just missed a 4th star as well. Very little difference between a high 3 star and low 4 star.
 
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I think the class overall is ok B- to C+, I would not call it stellar. I think the first full recruiting cycle for the staff showed:

  • They are well organized
  • work very hard at it as a group
  • have some good salesmen ( some better than others)
  • Can attract some signees and are in the mix for other high profile recruits - which is a good thing and a learning experience for them. This will help them next year

Cons -
  • disappointed in the results from the 500 mile radius - we need to be in on the top kids in these states
  • I too was hoping for a larger class
 
B+ to A-

Headliner QB. Athletes all over. Solid OL core. We get two DTs and it's an A.

I don't care that it's not a "Top 10 class" by the services. We filled needs with quality players. Pair that with our youth and I like this class even more.

Our "reaches" are solid athletes. I don't feel like there is a Shawnee Mission or New Mexico Linebacker in the group. When we got a kid like Bootle, it was a kid like Lance Lewis or Tony Ortiz who is a ridiculous athlete/sprinter. Those are kids who you can develop. The "athlete" is there and our S&C and coaching can work with it.

Hence my "high" grade for this group.
 
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Lets say we settle in around 23?, 24? for an overall ranking...I don't see how you can give that a B. Are you saying that everyone is the top 25 gets a B? Is this some sort of new fangled liberal type of grading system we're using here, so as not to hurt anyone's feelings? Only way you can rate this a B, is if POB is a flat out stud and we hit on all our OL recruits, which we don't know yet. As of right now, this very second, C+, and if POB is a bust, that grade goes down to a C. If we had the WR that flaked on us and went to Petrinoville, he might have pushed this into a B- catagory, but I could not say right now anyway, that the next step for us regarding this class, is an A. If you give this class a B, then you're saying we're pretty close to an A, and unless we hit on more than average, that seems a little optimistic to me.
 
SnohomishRed said:
I think the class overall is ok B- to C+, I would not call it stellar. I think the first full recruiting cycle for the staff showed:

  • They are well organized
  • work very hard at it as a group
  • have some good salesmen ( some better than others)
  • Can attract some signees and are in the mix for other high profile recruits - which is a good thing and a learning experience for them. This will help them next year

Cons -
  • disappointed in the results from the 500 mile radius - we need to be in on the top kids in these states
  • I too was hoping for a larger class
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I've seen the "well organized" tag assigned to Riley's staff a few times. Is there anything specific as evidence of this? Not calling you out at all or disagreeing necessarily, just trying to figure out why a lot of people think this.
 
litespeedhuskerfan said:
Lets say we settle in around 23?, 24? for an overall ranking...I don't see how you can give that a B. Are you saying that everyone is the top 25 gets a B? Is this some sort of new fangled liberal type of grading system we're using here, so as not to hurt anyone's feelings? Only way you can rate this a B, is if POB is a flat out stud and we hit on all our OL recruits, which we don't know yet. As of right now, this very second, C+, and if POB is a bust, that grade goes down to a C. If we had the WR that flaked on us and went to Petrinoville, he might have pushed this into a B- catagory, but I could not say right now anyway, that the next step for us regarding this class, is an A. If you give this class a B, then you're saying we're pretty close to an A, and unless we hit on more than average, that seems a little optimistic to me.
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Wow-I;m just shocked, shocked I tell you that the most relentlessly negative person on here isn't very high on this class. Next thing you're going to tell me water is wet. If we landed the #1 class in the country, you'd probably give it about a B+.
 
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mpbrown27 said:
I've seen the "well organized" tag assigned to Riley's staff a few times. Is there anything specific as evidence of this? Not calling you out at all or disagreeing necessarily, just trying to figure out why a lot of people think this.
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you do not hear the stories of kids being forgotten ( at least not yet ) - effective usage of social media, overall organization is thought through and duties assigned ( not all successfully)

But you are correct it is more a sense that it is organized - I also think there is sense it is more important to this staff
 
Truehuskerfan said:
Wow-I;m just shocked, shocked I tell you that the most relentlessly negative person on here isn't very high on this class. Next thing you're going to tell me water is wet. If we landed the #1 class in the country, you'd probably give it about a B+.
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and the " you are hurting the team posts " begin - he has an opinion you have yours let him state his case without being insulted
 
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It's a C...C+ to make us feel better. Based on the national rankings for the class (25th), the average star ranking (28th), the idea that this is the first full year that Riley has to recruit which means there will be open positions all over the place, a new offense and defense, the fact that a maniac is no longer at the helm, the results should have been better.

Find me anyone from a year ago that thought a #25 class with a star ranking of #28 would be a really solid class.
 
B+ for sure, when you come up short on 2 or 3 commits (where we were runner ups) that would have launched you into a top 20 or 15 class (which would have been an A for Nebraska), you know you are close, very close to being where we need to be. Giving this staff a C anything is just ignorant. Not to mention they have put in a lot of ground work for top level guys in '17 class that should help us finally get on top of recruiting for the foreseeable future.
 
TheBeav815 said:
I give it a B+ and this would be my grading scale:

Top 10 = A+
Top 15 = A
Top 20 = A-
Top 25 = B+
Top 30 = B

Then somewhere after that it rapidly drops off to where missing the top 45 is an F.
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Yeah...Bo was not on average a B+ recruiter.
 
I'd give it a solid B. This class isn't going to be the class that wins you the national championship. However, it's a class that with good coaching will win you the division and if you're lucky maybe even a B1G championship. It's a solid first full class for the staff and should be a class that will lay the foundation for future "higher ranked" classes. Simply put, there is descent amount of class in this class.
 
Tulsa Tom said:
It's a C...C+ to make us feel better. Based on the national rankings for the class (25th), the average star ranking (28th), the idea that this is the first full year that Riley has to recruit which means there will be open positions all over the place, a new offense and defense, the fact that a maniac is no longer at the helm, the results should have been better.

Find me anyone from a year ago that thought a #25 class with a star ranking of #28 would be a really solid class.
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Our overall ranking may not be set quite yet (Miss St, Oregon, ASU, and Wash may not be done yet).

Seems like we should be able to finish top 20 with a recruiting staff that doesn't just give up on players or remove coaches from responsibility of recruiting.

I'd give the class a C as well.
 
HUSKERBILL said:
#1 player South Dakota
#1 player in Iowa
#1 player in Minnesota
Gatorade POY in Colorado
#2 Center in Nation - Missouri
#1 player in St Louis metro
#2 OL in Illinois


I'm at a loss.....
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  • Iowa - Raridon - legacy but good pickup and we did out recruit Iowa for Farniok
  • Missed on two local NE recruits
  • Missouri - was wide open this year with Pinkel leaving yet we picked up the #12 and #14 recruits but lost out on really good talent there - also sucks that Ted Gilmore at Wi out recruited us for a Kansas city kid - I like the recruits we have but we had an opportunity for more
  • CO we did well I guess

Maybe not exactly 500 mile but we also struggled with zero recruits Texas and Oklahoma and did not do well in Ohio and Michigan
 
Truehuskerfan said:
Wow-I;m just shocked, shocked I tell you that the most relentlessly negative person on here isn't very high on this class. Next thing you're going to tell me water is wet. If we landed the #1 class in the country, you'd probably give it about a B+.
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You must not read very much of my stuff for you to make that stupid statement. I gave it a C+, about what most others are giving it, which is an eyelash away from a B-, which is what everyone who didn't give it a C is giving it. Are you going to say something stupid about everyone else who gave it that grade to?
 
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litespeedhuskerfan said:
Lets say we settle in around 23?, 24? for an overall ranking...I don't see how you can give that a B. Are you saying that everyone is the top 25 gets a B? Is this some sort of new fangled liberal type of grading system we're using here, so as not to hurt anyone's feelings? Only way you can rate this a B, is if POB is a flat out stud and we hit on all our OL recruits, which we don't know yet. As of right now, this very second, C+, and if POB is a bust, that grade goes down to a C. If we had the WR that flaked on us and went to Petrinoville, he might have pushed this into a B- catagory, but I could not say right now anyway, that the next step for us regarding this class, is an A. If you give this class a B, then you're saying we're pretty close to an A, and unless we hit on more than average, that seems a little optimistic to me.
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So a C grade (lowest passing grade) for a top 25 class? Not a B (average or satisfactory) or A (superior work)? No I dont think an A. But C? Please.
 
Solid B also. Things look like they are on a upward spiral. We will know in two to three years just how this class pans out.
 
HuskerBandGeek said:
I'll start this response with an in before lock, because this is going to degrade into name calling shortly I would wager.

I would give us a solid B. No way you have a top 25 class with the number of quality players in positions of desperate need and not give it a grade above C+.

But thats just me.
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Solid B. We've had several of these in recent years but, somehow this one feels better. Wouldn't be surprised if this one earns a better grade in the future. That would be different.

POB looks to be the first real deal we've landed in a looooooong time at QB and that's a +1 spot.
 
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SnohomishRed said:
  • Iowa - Raridon - legacy but good pickup and we did out recruit Iowa for Farniok
  • Missed on two local NE recruits
  • Missouri - was wide open this year with Pinkel leaving yet we picked up the #12 and #14 recruits but lost out on really good talent there - also sucks that Ted Gilmore at Wi out recruited us for a Kansas city kid - I like the recruits we have but we had an opportunity for more
  • CO we did well I guess
Maybe not exactly 500 mile but we also struggled with zero recruits Texas and Oklahoma and did not do well in Ohio and Michigan
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When your first rebuttal is that the #1 guy in Iowa was a legacy, it makes it clear that I'm a half full guy and you're a half empty guy. None of the facts we both presented are incorrect. Our perceptions are. That's it

So there is no sense in debating it.
 
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TheBeav815 said:
I give it a B+ and this would be my grading scale:

Top 10 = A+
Top 15 = A
Top 20 = A-
Top 25 = B+
Top 30 = B

Then somewhere after that it rapidly drops off to where missing the top 45 is an F.
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Not a bad scale, but I believe it needs to be a little more aggressive.

Top 10 = A
Top 10 - 20 = B
Top 20 - 30 = C
Top 30 - 40 = D
Below = F

I believe it's a solid C group. To call our group a B+ group compared to Ohio State's A+ group and say we are within one letter grade of their class is stretching in my opinion.
 
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HUSKERBILL said:
When your first rebuttal is that the #1 guy in Iowa was a legacy, it makes it clear that I'm a half full guy and you're a half empty guy. None of the facts we both presented are incorrect. Our perceptions are. That's it

So there is no sense in debating it.
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No absolutes in this world they did a good job against Iowa - but felt we were lacking in NE, Kansas and to a smaller extent Mo. since MR made such a big deal about the 500 mile radius and assigned an assistant coach to each state I thought we would do better
 
I give an average B. Just by ranking, I'd say it was a C but our 3 star recruits are really good athletes and rate very high within their own states. Great stats as well! Really sucks losing Simmons and it would have been great to get a stud DT. Oh well, sets the stage for an outstanding class next year! We're gonna get some serious talent out of CA every year under Riley! GBR
 
I give it a B. 85/100. I say this because yes we missed on Simmons and Fitzpatrick at WR and didn't get much of a D-Line commit this class. But we have solid 4-star players who will be impactful this fall. We filled some gaps and holes where we needed some talent and got solid players. We acquired a lot of high 3-star recruits which to me is a good thing, especially because (as someone said) they are so close to being low 4-stars with upsides. At the end of NSD, I will be happy that we out-recruited the B1G West. That's why I give us a B -- not a C+ -- despite missing on a couple big recruits.

That's the first step to me. The next step is this 2016 season. It's time to take those last 4 games of momentum from 2015 and turn it into 8-10 wins next year. For our 2017 recruiting class (which IMO will truly define HCMR's future because it will be year 3), if HCMR and staff want to get in the top 15-20, we need more exposure--and that means winning. I checked rivals, and currently Penn State and Michigan State are not far in front of us at 24 and 19, respectively. Our program cannot be a Michigan-type-recruiting program. Win 8-10 games and we will be sitting pretty for next year's class. Until then, let the team get after it and get going on a potentially great 2016 season. GBR.
 
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B- to a C+ This class is right about where we should be based on the last several years as a program. Its a nice enough class, but I have high hopes for next year. We will need it to alter the current state of the program.
 
Probably a B- , love the class though and I see big things for some of these kids. Last year was probably a C+, and next year I think we jump to B+
 
I give this class a B-.....only because we were not able to get a big bodied wide out and a couple of DE's.

That being said, I will judge this staff's recruiting prowess with next year's class rather than this year's class. Next year, Riley will have been here for a full two years and will have had a chance to build relationships. I feel the staff did a pretty good job in organizing this year and should be in a position to finish within the top 15. Lower than 20 next year will be a disappointment.
 
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for reference - Bo Pelini's classes averaged a 23.3 overall ranking (did not include 2008)
 
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