For those who have said Miles is facing tough conference competition..

[coachDubs]

Recruiting has been great, but most of that is due to Hunter and Molinari.

To be fair, Eichorst is one for one in hiring men's basketball coaches.

The timeline supports Eichorst made the hire, but there's plenty of articles that say Shalala hired Larranaga. To be fair, there are the same amount of articles that say Eichorst made the hire, so who knows for sure. I know the Miami fans on tMB credited her, not him. Regardless, Eicohrst's two hires at Nebraska don't have the best of results so far.

 

[Tuco Salamanca]

"Almost every team" didn't include Nebraska until very recently. I was completely embarrassed to watch Husker basketball before Miles, we looked like a freakin' high school team. I actually see players with basketball talent now. If you have Bill Self all lined up by all means fire the guy otherwise let it play out.

No offense but there really isn't any difference in results. The level of expectation is so skewed when it come to men's basketball. Moral victories and better talent are acceptable and in some cases revered.

As far as level of play, Miles' teams have a tendency of playing to the level of the opponent. That is how they can lose to Incarnate Word and Gardner-Webb at home and beat Maryland on the road. Sometime high school level sometimes much better.

So if you have better talent than your predecessors but the same record that can only point to one thing. (Other than the youth, refs, and schedule excuses)

With regards to Bill Self, at one point he was a coach at Oral Roberts and then Tulsa. Finding 38 year old Bill Self should be something that can be done.

Tim Miles is popular, he's a "midwestern guy" and has won with Nebraska kids on his roster at CSU. Plus he was hired by Osborne.

 

[Harry Caray]

I'm definitely not in the We-gotta-keep-Miles-or-it's-the-end-of-the-world camp, but if he's assembled a staff that can recruit, that's a big point in his favor. I don't care who closes the deal, as long as the player ends up in Lincoln.

Miles deserves major credit for hiring and keeping Coach Hunter so far. The question is, how much longer do you think Hunter will stick around, especially with Miles on the hot seat? If Hunter leaves after this season, the staff becomes average at best. Don't see many big-time recruiters wanting to fill that position knowing there is a good chance the head coach is in his last season.

 

[scarletred]

[QUOTE="coachDubs, post:

The timeline supports Eichorst made the hire, but there's plenty of articles that say Shalala hired Larranaga. To be fair, there are the same amount of articles that say Eichorst made the hire, so who knows for sure. I know the Miami fans on tMB credited her, not him. Regardless, Eicohrst's two hires at Nebraska don't have the best of results so far.[/QUOTE]


Interesting, not giving up on his first hire just not what I expected but I've been cautiously optimistic especially the way he inherited Peelini cancer.

His hire for the Women's Basketball Coach has been brutal.

 

[chicolby]

[QUOTE="coachDubs, post:

The timeline supports Eichorst made the hire, but there's plenty of articles that say Shalala hired Larranaga. To be fair, there are the same amount of articles that say Eichorst made the hire, so who knows for sure. I know the Miami fans on tMB credited her, not him. Regardless, Eicohrst's two hires at Nebraska don't have the best of results so far.

Interesting, not giving up on his first hire just not what I expected but I've been cautiously optimistic especially the way he inherited Peelini cancer.

His hire for the Women's Basketball Coach has been brutal.[/QUOTE]
Admittedly, I don't follow women's basketball very closely, but hard to see how any coach would step into the situation (players revolting, star player quits team, previous coach had half the squad on her side and half against it) and be successful right away.

We have to assume this was basically an implosion season and basically restarting everything, so I have a hard time holding the current women's coach responsible for this year.

 

[Harry Caray]

The timeline supports Eichorst made the hire, but there's plenty of articles that say Shalala hired Larranaga. To be fair, there are the same amount of articles that say Eichorst made the hire, so who knows for sure. I know the Miami fans on tMB credited her, not him. Regardless, Eicohrst's two hires at Nebraska don't have the best of results so far.

Let's not forget Eichorst's decision to extend Al Golden's contract for 8 years after one 6-6 season. That has to be among the worst decisions by an Athletic Director in recent memory.

As for Larranaga, Shalala did the first interview with him before Eichorst was hired. Then when Eichorst was hired he did a 2nd interview with him and made the offer.

 

[coachDubs]

Let's not forget Eichorst's decision to extend Al Golden's contract for 8 years after one 6-6 season. That has to be among the worst decisions by an Athletic Director in recent memory.

As for Larranaga, Shalala did the first interview with him before Eichorst was hired. Then when Eichorst was hired he did a 2nd interview with him and made the offer.

Eichorst extended it 4 years, to an 8-year contract.

Meh, doesn't concern me one bit with everything that was going on at Miami and Penn State (rumored to be) going after Golden. Eichorst didn't hire him, and with Miami not disclosing their NCAA issues during the Golden hiring process - only to find out a few months later what's going on (same with Eichorst) - to repeat, it doesn't concern me.

As I said, there are articles that say she made the hire & others say he made the hire. There are also articles that say "Eichorst made the hire with Shalala's blessing". On top of that, there are also articles saying once Shalala struck out on Amaker (sp?), the heat and sole focus was put on Larranaga. IMO, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out who did what in the process, or I should say who had the final say in hiring, but that's just my opinion.

 

[coachDubs]

LULZ at anyone claiming Nebrasketball isn't one of the youngest teams in the B1G and that doesn't make a difference. Sparty looking at their first non 25 wins season since 2011. Iowa looking at the worse record since Fran's second year. I'm sure youth has nothing to do with it.

Facts aren't something a lot of you like, least experience to most...

Iowa
Seniors 1
Juniors 1
Sophomores 4
Freshmen 4

Nebraska
Seniors 1
Juniors 1
Sophomores 4
Freshmen 3

Michigan State
Seniors 2
Juniors 1
Sophomores 2
Freshmen 4

Penn State
Seniors 0
Juniors 4
Sophomores 1
Freshmen 3

Minnesota
Seniors 1
Juniors 3
Sophomores 2
Freshmen 2

Ohio State
Seniors 1
Juniors 4
Sophomores 2
Freshmen 2

Northwestern
Seniors 2
Juniors 4
Sophomores 2
Freshmen 1

Maryland
Seniors 2
Juniors 4
Sophomores 2
Freshmen 3

Purdue
Seniors 1
Juniors 5
Sophomores 2
Freshmen 1

*Can't access Indiana's data. For some stupid reason my browser freezes.

 

[Tuco Salamanca]

LULZ at anyone claiming Nebrasketball isn't one of the youngest teams in the B1G and that doesn't make a difference. Sparty looking at their first non 25 wins season since 2011. Iowa looking at the worse record since Fran's second year. I'm sure youth has nothing to do with it.

Facts aren't something a lot of you like, least experience to most...

Iowa
Seniors 1
Juniors 1
Sophomores 4
Freshmen 4

Nebraska
Seniors 1
Juniors 1
Sophomores 4
Freshmen 3

Michigan State
Seniors 2
Juniors 1
Sophomores 2
Freshmen 4

Penn State
Seniors 0
Juniors 4
Sophomores 1
Freshmen 3

Minnesota
Seniors 1
Juniors 3
Sophomores 2
Freshmen 2

Ohio State
Seniors 1
Juniors 4
Sophomores 2
Freshmen 2

Northwestern
Seniors 2
Juniors 4
Sophomores 2
Freshmen 1

Maryland
Seniors 2
Juniors 4
Sophomores 2
Freshmen 3

Purdue
Seniors 1
Juniors 5
Sophomores 2
Freshmen 1

*Can't access Indiana's data. For some stupid reason my browser freezes.

So all of those teams are currently ahead of Nebraska in the standings. All return a significant amount of players. Tell me again why we should expect different results in 2017-18?

What about Michigan and Wisconsin? Or Illinois and Rutgers?

Not sure that helped your argument much. Good info though.

 

[coachDubs]

So all of those teams are currently ahead of Nebraska in the standings. All return a significant amount of players. Tell me again why we should expect different results in 2017-18?

What about Michigan and Wisconsin? Or Illinois and Rutgers?

Not sure that helped your argument much. Good info though.

Big difference in 7 freshmen/sophomores in a rotation compared to 7 sophomores/juniors in a rotation. Glynn and Ed both doubled up their production from year one to two. Jack increased his as well, with a more defined role. Michael is Michael however, with the emergence of Jordy and addition of Copeland, it relieves minutes from him.

Pretty simple, none of those 4 were mentioned in the "great breakdown" from the OWH, that's why.

It most definitely helped, but your hatred for Miles clouds your vision. Sparty and Iowa are struggling for a reason, and it's not because they have shitty coaches.

 

[Tuco Salamanca]

Big difference in 7 freshmen/sophomores in a rotation compared to 7 sophomores/juniors in a rotation. Glynn and Ed both doubled up their production from year one to two. Jack increased his as well, with a more defined role. Michael is Michael however, with the emergence of Jordy and addition of Copeland, it relieves minutes from him.

Pretty simple, none of those 4 were mentioned in the "great breakdown" from the OWH, that's why.

It most definitely helped, but your hatred for Miles clouds your vision. Sparty and Iowa are struggling for a reason, and it's not because they have shitty coaches.

I don't have a hatred for Miles. I just don't believe he is the basketball coach that is going to get Nebraska to the next level.

Maryland loses 6th and 10th leading scorers
Purdue 9th and 11th
Northwestern 6th and 8th
Minnesota 4th and 14th
Penn St - none
Iowa 1st and 14th
Indiana - none
Ohio St - 2nd
Rutgers - 5th and 13th
Michigan St - 3rd 5th 11th
Michigan - loses 1,2,5,7,10
Illinois - 1,2,5,8,10,13
Wisconsin 2,3,4,5
Nebraska - 1st

So most of the league is returning a large pct of their scoring.

So again I ask, if Nebraska isn't able to finish in the top 10 of the division this year why should next year be different if other schools are also returning large portions of their rosters. You cite the improvement in Nebraska's players, do you assume the other program's players aren't improving? Schools like Michigan St, Indiana, Maryland, Michigan at times Wisconsin bring in top freshmen who play.

Outside of Illinois, Wisconsin and Michigan I expect the other teams to be better than they were this year too.

 

[Harry Caray]

LULZ at anyone claiming Nebrasketball isn't one of the youngest teams in the B1G and that doesn't make a difference.

What was your excuse for Miles in 2014-15 when we had the most experienced team in the league, and proceeded to finish 13-18?

Michigan and Iowa state have coaches who make the NCAA more often than not. We have a coach who is about to have his 4th losing season in 5 years and has never won a postseason game at the D-I level. Going off of history, I can bet on which coaches will probably be back in the NCAA tournament next year and which one won't.

 

[Huskers_Rule]

No offense but there really isn't any difference in results. The level of expectation is so skewed when it come to men's basketball. Moral victories and better talent are acceptable and in some cases revered.

As far as level of play, Miles' teams have a tendency of playing to the level of the opponent. That is how they can lose to Incarnate Word and Gardner-Webb at home and beat Maryland on the road. Sometime high school level sometimes much better.

So if you have better talent than your predecessors but the same record that can only point to one thing. (Other than the youth, refs, and schedule excuses)

With regards to Bill Self, at one point he was a coach at Oral Roberts and then Tulsa. Finding 38 year old Bill Self should be something that can be done.

Tim Miles is popular, he's a "midwestern guy" and has won with Nebraska kids on his roster at CSU. Plus he was hired by Osborne.

Perhaps no difference in record but a vast difference in being competitive. I think I've seen every game and we've been competitive in every game except a couple. Moral victories? Hell no but man this team is young and will DEFINITELY get a lot better as young players mature, especially Roby and Jordy. I'm excited, if we can play teams this competitively with puppies wait until they are weaned.

As far as reasons to like Miles I think you are too critical, I'm willing to give him the next 2 years minimum because he has succeeded at every level. That is the huge fact you ignore, I could care less he is from South Dakota. As far as finding a young Self that is what rolling the dice with Miles was all about.

 

[coachDubs]

I don't have a hatred for Miles. I just don't believe he is the basketball coach that is going to get Nebraska to the next level.

Maryland loses 6th and 10th leading scorers
Purdue 9th and 11th
Northwestern 6th and 8th
Minnesota 4th and 14th
Penn St - none
Iowa 1st and 14th
Indiana - none
Ohio St - 2nd
Rutgers - 5th and 13th
Michigan St - 3rd 5th 11th
Michigan - loses 1,2,5,7,10
Illinois - 1,2,5,8,10,13
Wisconsin 2,3,4,5
Nebraska - 1st

So most of the league is returning a large pct of their scoring.

So again I ask, if Nebraska isn't able to finish in the top 10 of the division this year why should next year be different if other schools are also returning large portions of their rosters. You cite the improvement in Nebraska's players, do you assume the other program's players aren't improving? Schools like Michigan St, Indiana, Maryland, Michigan at times Wisconsin bring in top freshmen who play.

Outside of Illinois, Wisconsin and Michigan I expect the other teams to be better than they were this year too.

Your posts say opposite.

None of that makes a difference, if allowed another season he'll either produce or he's gone, it's simple as that. We can argue returning production till we're blue in the face, it's irrelevant as there are plenty of examples on both sides. I believe NU will dance next season with Miles, and from the day he was hired said I'd give him 6 years.

What was your excuse for Miles in 2014-15 when we had the most experienced team in the league, and proceeded to finish 13-18?

Michigan and Iowa state have coaches who make the NCAA more often than not. We have a coach who is about to have his 4th losing season in 5 years and has never won a postseason game at the D-I level. Going off of history, I can bet on which coaches will probably be back in the NCAA tournament next year and which one won't.

Lmfao at "excuses" question, especially coming from an avid Sadler supporter.

I was here back then and there wasn't any excuses in 2014-2015 and there won't be any now, for that season or this current one; they've underperformed but have 6-8 games left to change that. When Miles was hired I was on the 6-year opportunity and I'm not gonna change it now. I see our 7 current underclassmen making large jumps in to next season, all were recruited by Miles, and feel it's right to give him a chance to coach this group one more season as we'll have the most experience ever under his watch.

Yes, Sparty and Iowa have coaches that make the dance often. And both are struggling this year. Why is that?!? Uh oh, you're gonna have to admit something...

I couldn't care less who the coach is a season from now. If Shawn moves on, great, if he doesn't great. Our season tickets will be renewed regardless.

 

[Tuco Salamanca]

Hope and promise.

 

[coachDubs]

I don't have a hatred for Miles.

That didn't take long...

Hope and promise.

Good luck with any coach that isn't hope and promise.

 

[Tuco Salamanca]

That didn't take long...



Good luck with any coach that isn't hope and promise.

Year 1 yes. Year 5. You know what you have. Some see it some refuse to see it.

I don't hate Tim Miles. He is a nice enough guy. I just don't want him coaching this basketball team. Why is it so hard for you to differentiate between the two?

 

[coachDubs]

Year 1 yes. Year 5. You know what you have. Some see it some refuse to see it.

I don't hate Tim Miles. He is a nice enough guy. I just don't want him coaching this basketball team. Why is it so hard for you to differentiate between the two?

Or, some choose to stick with their initial preference. Nah, that couldn't be it at all, it has to be black or white.

Your posts say the opposite, that's on you and not me.

 

[scarletred]

Back to the present and this week moving forward.We need to win our next 2 games( like our chances)which would be a a start for us avoiding playing on Wednesday for the B1G tournament.

 

[Tuco Salamanca]

Or, some choose to stick with their initial preference. Nah, that couldn't be it at all, it has to be black or white.

Your posts say the opposite, that's on you and not me.

You love Tim Miles and that adoration is clouding your judgement.

 

[scarletred]

You love Tim Miles and that adoration is clouding your judgement.

Man give it a rest... Rinse repeat, repeat again time to RINCE again.

 

[coachDubs]

You love Tim Miles and that adoration is clouding your judgement.

False.

Except I have a 13 year history on here, and was clear since he was hired, 6 years to see what he can do. You on the other hand, well...

 

[Tuco Salamanca]

Ignore and don't read.

 

[Tuco Salamanca]

False.

Except I have a 13 year history on here, and was clear since he was hired, 6 years to see what he can do. You on the other hand, well...

who cares how many years and how many profile names you cycle through. Your just a dude with an opinion.

 

[coachDubs]

who cares how many years and how many profile names you cycle through. Your just a dude with an opinion.

Ironic from a recycled dude himself buried with a new name, spouting off an opinion. A stance that doesn't change, that's why. Plus, I'm not afraid to admit my previous handle.

You on the other hand, well x2....

 

[Tuco Salamanca]

Ironic from a recycled dude himself buried with a new name, spouting off an opinion. A stance that doesn't change, that's why. Plus, I'm not afraid to admit my previous handle.

You on the other hand, well x2....

Never been a registered user on this forum before this one. Ask any of the mods.

So you're wrong.

 

[coachDubs]

Never been a registered user on this forum ever, before this one. Ask any of the mods.

So your wrong.

Never read that before.

And it's you're, but I'm not.

 

[Tuco Salamanca]

Never read that before.

And it's you're, but I'm not.

Believe what you want. Doesn't make your opinion any more correct simply because you have been on this forum for 13 years. Still just a dude with an opinion.

 

[coachDubs]

Believe what you want. Doesn't make your opinion any more correct simply because you have been on this forum for 13 years. Still just a dude with an opinion.

I always do, and come out correct. At some point, you'll look up and notice the point circling you.

 

[Bill_Callahan2.0]

Agree on some Tuco points he made.

Good news: We're a pretty young team and return just about everybody.

Bad news: We are 10-14. And every team ahead of us has a winning record, and some of those teams are pretty young as well, and return a large core of their team.

Question is; Where do we make up ground? Those teams are getting better just like we are. The B1G is weak this year, and here we are sitting at sitting at 12th in conference at 4-8.

I keep the faith, but not too sure about Miles.

GBR

 

[scarletred]

Agree on some Tuco points he made.

Good news: We're a pretty young team and return just about everybody.

Bad news: We are 10-14. And every team ahead of us has a winning record, and some of those teams are pretty young as well, and return a large core of their team.

Question is; Where do we make up ground?

GBR

Good post, but Nebraska has the toughest non conference in the country and adds up to the losing record...
Yea, yea Garner Web.

Morrow injury costed us some losses( maybe Michigan @ tOSU) and the cramp game against Rutgers falling behind early but yet coming back and the last 2 positions in the final minute falls in the hands of Tai Webster..

This team could be easily 6-6 in conference play, but let's see what happens moving forward, making up ground would be winning our next 2 games against Penn St and a beatable Bucknut team at home.

 

[chicolby]

Hope and promise.

Vs doom and gloom.

 

[Huskers_Rule]

Year 1 yes. Year 5. You know what you have. Some see it some refuse to see it.

I don't hate Tim Miles. He is a nice enough guy. I just don't want him coaching this basketball team. Why is it so hard for you to differentiate between the two?

"Refuse to see it"? Perhaps we see it differently and you refuse to see it? Fact is you would have fired Osborne long before his 3 NCs so saying you know what you get after 5 years clearly isn't true now is it.

 

[JohnRossEwing]

"Refuse to see it"? Perhaps we see it differently and you refuse to see it? Fact is you would have fired Osborne long before his 3 NCs so saying you know what you get after 5 years clearly isn't true now is it.

That is not a popular comparison here anymore.

 

[bigboxes]

I can see both sides to this. However, at this point he's still going to be here next year and possibly the year after. /thread

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