For those who have said Miles is facing tough conference competition..
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I know it sounds petty to argue this, but Dayton, Va Tech, Clemson are a few more on the list. Obviously Creighton is an annual game, but the Husker non conference slate I grew up with consisted of Creighton... then 11 times playing McDonalds University and Subway Tech
No, the typical NU non-conference schedule looked exactly like it did this year, minus those two elite teams I already noted. The year before Miles arrived, NU lost non-conference games to Oregon and Wake Forest, and beat USC on the road in double overtime. The year before that, they lost to Vanderbilt and Davidson, and beat USC at home. They've always had about three or four games in the non-conference that could go either way, along with the standard cupcakes. If you go back to the Nee era, he typically played in some of the tougher holiday tournaments and played the likes of Ohio State and Michigan State when they were really good. Moe's non-conference schedules were not great, but even he played teams like Arkansas and Indiana, sprinkled among the Little Sisters of the Poor.
So on this year's schedule, replace the losses to KU and UCLA with wins over two crappy teams - let's say Washington State and Air Force. Show of hands - whose opinion of Miles changes one way or the other?
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What seasons did we play at least 5 OOC games against tournament teams?
I get what you're saying, and appreciate the research you went into to compare non conference slates. But according to RPI rankings on ESPN we have the number 1 SOS... say that number is what it typically is for us (50ish- 70ish), I'll go on a limb and say that our record is much, much better (especially with the insane amount of heartbreakers we've lost) and fans are pleased with Miles and excited for the young teams future. I know, I know, lotta IFs in this post
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THIS YEAR'S SCHEDULE WAS HARDER BECAUSE OF THE PRESENCE OF TWO ELITE TEAMS: KU AND UCLA
How many years did NU play three non-conference opponents that made the tournament?
Look I'm not arguing for Miles to get fired. I'm just saying that if he is shown the door, it's not because of a brutal non-conference schedule. Absolutely nobody expected NU to beat KU and UCLA, so the non-conference games that were going to determine the level of satisfaction with Miles were Clemson, Va Tech and Dayton. Would have been better to win two of those three, but he won one and they were all competitive. The black mark in the non-conference was the giant bed-crap against Gardner-Webb, but that wasn't a product of difficult scheduling.
That's because your question conveniently missed the point of the entire discussion, which was whether the rest of the non-conference schedule - outside of KU and UCLA - was similar to those NU played in the past. I'm saying that it was - if you disagree, do your own research and prove me wrong.
False. Then I could say past schedules, excluding USC and ______ couldn't match this seasons schedule. See, it's flipping stupid.
No, it didn't. My question goes to show how ignorant it is to exclude two teams, regardless of their level. Tim Miles went out of his way to schedule a very difficult OOC, and you're trying to dismiss it. You'd have a better case if you brought up playing UCLA wasn't a guarantee since we both had to win game one of that tournament to play each other. But, you didn't.
The question stands, when was the last time Nebrasketball played 5 OOC games against tournament teams?
But I'm not dismissing it - I will readily concede that if you include KU and UCLA, this is a far tougher schedule than NU has played in years. Does that satisfy you?
For the third time, when was the last time Nebrasketball played 5 OOC games against tournament teams?
The question stands, when was the last time Nebrasketball played 5 OOC games against tournament teams?[/QUOTE]
Does anyone have a Nebraska basketball press guide to answer this question?
Been following Husker hoops since coach Cip and I would say this year could possibly be the first..
We'll know in month.
Does anyone have a Nebraska basketball press guide to answer this question?
Been following Husker hoops since coach Cip and I would say this year could possibly be the first..
We'll know in month.
I've never seen a group come to the defense of a Nebraska coach like this. When you consider this coach has had one winning season in his career in Lincoln. All of this defense is based on nothing but hope and potential. There is nothing factual that can be used as evidence that Miles is going to turn the corner next year.
Do you not have Internet access - why can't you look this up yourself? How about if I just say it's the first time in program history and you can declare a mighty victory in this argument you're having with nobody in particular?
You're struggling, but I'll give you the attention.
You're the one popping off, not me. I knew you couldn't answer the question, thanks for playing.
And Eichorst making another hire ( Women's Basketball Coach) doesn't guarantee squat either.
I guess the real question is...what would the expectations for Miles be next season? Top 5 finish in conference and an invite to the dance?
This is pretty much where I am. Not exactly brimming with confidence about next year, but I think Miles has as good or better chance of having a breakthrough season as "the next guy" does of getting this program over the hump.And Eichorst making another hire ( Women's Basketball Coach) doesn't guarantee squat either.
And Eichorst making another hire ( Women's Basketball Coach) doesn't guarantee squat either.
So as I've said since the beginning. It really isn't a matter of you all having confidence that Miles is going to turn it around. It is simply a fear that the next coach won't be any different, or even worse.
Guilty as charged. But this is not exactly an irrational fear, if you've been watching NU basketball for the past 40+ years.
NCAA tournament or bust, no other option. If he doesn't get the team in on selection Sunday, he's gone before the clock strikes midnight. That's assuming he makes it past March 2017.
False. It's giving the guy the same amount of seasons as the previous two coaches although Miles did something they didn't. At a place as irrelevant as Nebrasketball, that's not unrealistic.
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You pose a question that is the case with every program. There is nothing factual that can predict the future, but let me take a crack at it.
Miles has a history of success. At every stop in his career he has turned around programs.
Talent wins in basketball. Nebraska has recruited the most top 150 players in the history of the program. They are young but gaining invaluable experience this year.
One way or the other we will find out next year. I only hope you won't be so tied to your belief that Nebraska will fail under Miles' leadership that you will allow yourself to enjoy when this team turns the corner.
Personally I want to see the class of Watson Morrow McVeigh Jacobson play their senior seasons. That's it. If we don't see an NCAA tournament appearance and top half conference finish then effectively I will have been very wrong.
Miles has recruited well enough to show that he is a poor coach.
No slant here, curious to know what is puzzling about his in game coaching. From my view, that hasn't been a problem as he's gotten this team to be very competitive against top teams.
bizarre substitution patterns, stalling with one possession leads, and then stuff similar to what he did vs wisky where you just cant under any circumstance give up a 3 and he gives up an open 3 on a simple pick and roll.
He does have a history of taking bad programs and making them average. But he has never won anything of relevance at the D-I level. Zero NCAA, NIT, or even CBI wins. The best he did at Colorado State was 4th place in the Mountain West out of 8 teams. It's not like he was a dominant mid-major coach.
Recruiting has been great, but most of that is due to Hunter and Molinari. Have you heard any recruits say they picked Nebraska because they wanted to play for Miles and his exciting style of basketball? For most it has been relationships with Coach Hunter. And I can't imagine Coach Hunter will want to stick around for much longer knowing that his boss is on the hot seat and isn't doing his career any favors.
How many coaches at the major-conference level survive 4 losing seasons in 5 years? John Groce might be out at Illinois and he has had only 1 losing season.
I'm definitely not in the We-gotta-keep-Miles-or-it's-the-end-of-the-world camp, but if he's assembled a staff that can recruit, that's a big point in his favor. I don't care who closes the deal, as long as the player ends up in Lincoln.
No it's from seeing the talent assembled now. Let them mature a couple seasons. If they don't make the tournament Miles is gone.
Almost every team in the Big Ten can assemble talent. Secondly, this love fest with Miles has been going on since day 1.
big mistake to fire miles, with the roster he will have next year, it will be by far his best team. if white had not pulled the rug out from under miles and his teamma
right now this NU team can play with anyone in the conference, to dismiss HCTM now, IMO, would be a huge mistake, the team has excellent potential and talent; with a new big guy coming in, and a top recruit. to start over again seem senseless. easily see this team finishing strong anf hopefully making the NIT. they could do some damage there.
To be fair, Eichorst is one for one in hiring men's basketball coaches.And Eichorst making another hire ( Women's Basketball Coach) doesn't guarantee squat either.
"Almost every team" didn't include Nebraska until very recently. I was completely embarrassed to watch Husker basketball before Miles, we looked like a freakin' high school team. I actually see players with basketball talent now. If you have Bill Self all lined up by all means fire the guy otherwise let it play out.
