Feels like some other dominoes are starting to fall...
- Thread starter Chief Wiggum
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Here's the end game (at least for a few years):
| Big 10 West | Big 10 East | SEC East | SEC West | Big XII West | Big XII East |
| USC | Indiana | Florida | Mississippi | Oregon State | Baylor |
| UCLA | Purdue | Georgia | Mississippi St | Washington St | Houston |
| Nebraska | Ohio State | South Carolina | LSU | Utah | Oklahoma State |
| Iowa | Michigan | Tennessee | Arkansas | Colorado | Kansas |
| Minnesota | MSU | Vanderbilt | Missouri | Arizona | Kansas State |
| Wisconsin | Penn State | Kentucky | Texas A&M | Arizona State | Iowa State |
| Notre Dame | Maryland | Clemson | Texas | BYU | West Virginia |
| Stanford | Rutgers | Virginia | Oklahoma | Texas Tech | Cincinnati |
| Oregon | Northwestern | North Carolina | Alabama | TCU | UCF |
| Washington | Illinois | Florida State | Auburn | California | Louisville |
I know, right? Or Syracuse, Duke, BC, NC State, Wake or Georgia Tech. The Big XII could take two of those instead of WSU and Oregon State.
Alternate Big XII:
| Big XII West | Big XII East |
| Baylor | Miami |
| Houston | Pittsburgh |
| Utah | Oklahoma State |
| Colorado | Kansas |
| Arizona | Kansas State |
| Arizona State | Iowa State |
| BYU | West Virginia |
| Texas Tech | Cincinnati |
| TCU | UCF |
| California | Louisville |
Unless someone wants to go to 24 or 28 teams, or if a conference wants to cut under-performing members — Vandy, Rutgers, or (gulp) Nebraska — somebody gonna get left out.
Man I hope Illinois, Purdue and similar schools that are grandfathered in to the SEC or BIG realize how damn lucky they are
You overlook that Nebraska can also benefit from recruiting other places whose local or regional teams have been shut out of the conferences that matter. Which will more than offset the scenario you're concerned about.
I don't know the specifics of the ACC contract but I doubt it holds if there's a mass departure all at once.
This will for sure expand the playoffs, so that the networks can make even more cash.
16 hopefully.
16 hopefully.
Like it. If the B1G eventually expands to 6 teams per division add Cal and 3 other schools such as North Carolina, Duke, Kansas or Virginia.
Not if the ACC implodes which is what SEC/ESPN is trying to make happen...no conference, no contract
In all reality, why would ESPN negotiate an exit from a sweetheart deal with the ACC to pay even more to the SEC, who they already have a deal in place with, just to add 4 teams, again that they already have a deal in place with?
That is bidding against yourself.
I’m thinking the other 14 members might have thoughts about who to add in expansion. Of course I think all of this is insane, but if we are going to have a coast to coast league, it makes sense to have geographically cohesive divisions. If expansion occurs, more teams from the west should be added. From an athletic program standpoint, Oregon exceeds UCLA and is comparable to USC.
Unless I don't understand, any team you add has to bring a $$ amount that is equal to what teams are getting now or otherwise the payout per team goes down...or teams start to have unequal shares (which will be a shitshow).
Depends on how many teams leave. As long as 8 or more stick together, then the exiting members have to pay.
That's why in the past, when NU was added, we were frozen at our CURRENT revenue (big 12) for 6 years until fully vested. Then we received full revenue share.
Gives you a leg up until new contracts can be written. The fact that we're in contract negotiations right now might complicate things and usc and ucla may want full revenue sharing with new contract. I can see that but also think they need to stay with what has worked in the past. What's good for the goose is good for the gander.
What about Rutgers and Maryland? Didn't they come in at a full share immediately?
If Nebraska had brought in the 2nd largest TV market in the US and the amount of revenue that will add to the media deal, they would have been able to be fully vested from the beginning too. USC and UCLA will pay for themselves for sure.
Yes that's the thinking for admitting a single team one at a time. BUT I think if you added several teams while decimating other conferences at the same time, the surviving super conferences would likely have more negotiating power as the only games in town and their contracts would go up more than what each team would add separately. Just my opinion. The media giants are hungry for content and if you reduce the available significant conferences in play for those dollars, they wind up paying more.
Nebraska pays its way, and I am so glad we joined this Conference.
Up to us to win.
Up to us to win.
I don't think so. Maryland for sure borrowed against future earnings to cover debt
Nebraska at number 12 is pretty darn good! Imagine what the ranking would be IF only we had been any good. Then we'd have ranked above Oklahoma if we had as good of a team performance. Of course it also helps quite a lot being in the B1G playing other teams with high TV rankings.
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Doesn't make sense for UNC and Duke not to place at least twice a year in basketball with a lot on the line. That's how rivalries are made. Same with Kansas and Missouri basketball, and the list is goes on and on if you look at all of the various sports.
Virginia Tech would be a perfect fit for the SEC. A football school with an erratic men's basketball program.
Yes and no...neither was able to pay their way in like NU did so they got a greater share up front but are having to pay in via loans from B1G over a longer period of time
U don't need to expand the playoffs by that much with two so called Super Conferences. For example, let's say the BIG and SEC have "4" divisions each. The winners of each division make the playoff which would be "8" teams. 1st Round occurs in early December, semi finals in and around New Years Day and National Championship a week and a half later, like occurs today. So basically you would have the winners of the BIG and SEC play each other for the National Championship each year. It sure looks like this is where things are headed. It's just a question of how many teams end up in the BIG and SEC (20-24 per conference would be my guess).
I think you sketched this out nicely. My only wish would be to add Utah and Kansas, but you have provided a realistic, balanced outline. Let’s hope that’s how it works out.
On what planet is Notre Dame agreeing to be lumped in with indiana, Rutgers, maryland and the shower clappers “realistic”?
there is a better chance of a pig flying out of your ass every day from now until ND’s NBC contract expires in 2025 than there is of this actually taking place.
this whole deal just seems ludicrous to me. The question is why do this? You're going to end up with divisions very similar to the conferences as they are now. The individual teams in a conference will have less and less say in how things are done. I think this is going to come back and bite schools in the ass some day. There's going to be a conference commissioner who ends up having dictatorial power much the same as the NCAA had and in the meantime some of the traditional match ups will be gone. At some point my bet is that this money grab now is going to have some serious costs later for some if not all of the schools.
I agree. I think the B1G will do it (because they’re money-blind idiots) while the others come up with a better way and Disney foots the bill.
As I’ve said all along:
b1g and pac12 will merge & make money
The other 3 + Notre dame + big East hoops will affiliate under the Disney umbrella, make good enough money and win all the national titles
Nebraska better pull its head out of its ass and do one of two things.
- Frosty better start winning a minimum of 9 games a year or fire his sorry ass, as Nebraska cant even be in the discussion as a team left out of the shuffle board. OR
- Use some of this HUGE TV money and hire a freaking PROVEN Power 5 Winner. Nebraska cant afford to be the 5th brides maid.
I guess I'm nostalgic for the old Big 8 days and traditional scheduling. The whole conference realignment thing kind of makes me nauseous. Traveling to Rutgers and Maryland for games....puke. It used to be that you could drive to every single school for away games. Just think how much this contributes to global warming with all of the air travel. It seems odd that such environmentally conscious corporations like the networks would condone this abuse.
Don’t know how ESPN/Disney is so successful - there are scores of people who swear they never watch ESPN.
Not to get political but there seems to be a sizable faction of one political party as well as a front runner to be the presidential nominee of that party who appear to have a personal vendetta against Disney
you and I are 100% aligned, Dingle.
I also think the SEC and ACC value tradition a lot more than the B1G, even though it's all B1G fans ever talk about
In this example -Nebraska had the exact same total of viewers as UCLA and USC COMBINED
it's a fair point. to counter, I would say:
1 - those people are either lying or don't know the true reach of Disney and its properties
2 - a large majority of school presidents in the ACC/SEC will probably vote for the gov of FL while at the same time receiving a large check from Disney (something I suspect said gov already receives, given the reality of ruling FL & Disney being the state's #1 land owner and employer)
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