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As I said before, I KNOW at least 2 other guys were contacted and said no thanks before Riley was contacted. I am not necessarily saying Riley was 10th on the list, that was an exaggeration, but he wasn't the first or second call, and in an effort to avoid the public embarrassment, similar to what happened in 2003, he quickly went to the guy who would say yes. Did he do that too quickly? Probably, but this was his first big hire and he was told no thanks by at least his top 2 guys.
Please don't tell me Bielema....His agent circulated that rumor to get a pay raise. There was no way in hell HP was going to let SE hire him after what he had just gone through with Pelini. As I've stated earlier, I wonder who we could have gotten to take the job given the turmoil with Pelini and such.
 
Who were they?

Both were SEC coaches, one would probably have been seen as a HR hire and one would have been generally not been. I'll leave it at that. It does me no good to mention names because no opinions change. If you believe Riley was the only guy, you will always believe that.

I will just say that I have some good friends that coach college football. At the time, two of my buddies coached for the guys that were contacted. They told me their HC told them they was contacted, but wasn't interested, so don't worry about anything you may hear in the media about him taking the job.
 
Both were SEC coaches, one would probably have been seen as a HR hire and one would have been generally not been. I'll leave it at that. It does me no good to mention names because no opinions change. If you believe Riley was the only guy, you will always believe that.

I will just say that I have some good friends that coach college football. At the time, two of my buddies coached for the guys that were contacted. They told me their HC told them they was contacted, but wasn't interested, so don't worry about anything you may hear in the media about him taking the job.
I was standing next to a D-1 football head coach at a hockey game (our sons played together) who had coached in Wisconsin when he took a call from a coaching buddy. He knew Callahan from way back and didn't have any kind words about him. The gist of his conversation was a coaching opening and who was looking at it. It's a fraternity and they have each other's cell numbers. I believe what you're selling. Names would be interesting though just from a what if standpoint.
 
Back to the original topic. #1 - the win probabilities change week to week based on previous performance. Let's for the fun of it, assume Nebraska takes care of Illinois and Riley pulls off one of his big moment upsets when top 10 Wisconsin comes to town on the 7th. That would leave the Huskers at 4-2 with a win over a top 10 team. At that point, would you still want him removed? I know, a lot of hypotheticals, but if that happens, I think opinions may shift.
 
So you are assuming Saban would have been viewed as "probably" a home run hire?
I'm going out on a limb and guessing Richt was one guy you're eluding to. The other hmmmm....maybe Cutcliffe? I'm not sure either fits as a home run hire though. Spurrier? After all he did visit saying it was one of his bucket list things. Franklin was already gone. Jimbo's not in the SEC. Kirby Smart? Malzahn? The problem is that generally when you start looking you send out multiple feelers at the same time to judge interest rather than wait for replies from one guy so it's impossible to say who was first on the list.
 
I'm going out on a limb and guessing Richt was one guy you're eluding to. The other hmmmm....maybe Cutcliffe? I'm not sure either fits as a home run hire though. Spurrier? After all he did visit saying it was one of his bucket list things. Franklin was already gone. Jimbo's not in the SEC. Kirby Smart?

People were approached, those people said no thanks.

AD speaking 101 says you present your coach in the best possible light, even when it is a big fat lie.
 
People were approached, those people said no thanks.

AD speaking 101 says you present your coach in the best possible light, even when it is a big fat lie.
Sure but as I added with an edit to my last post. Generally in hiring you send out multiple inquiries to gauge interest and then interview starting with your first choice of the people who show interest. It's impossible to know who the first guy on the list was even if the agents of others were contacted. It is possible that Riley was at the top of the list and the only person interviewed and in fact I doubt they would interview someone they weren't sure would take the job.
 
Sure but as I added with an edit to my last post. Generally in hiring you send out multiple inquiries to gauge interest and then interview starting with your first choice of the people who show interest. It's impossible to know who the first guy on the list was even if the agents of others were contacted. It is possible that Riley was at the top of the list and the only person interviewed and in fact I doubt they would interview someone they weren't sure would take the job.

That is a different issue than what I see. I am more disturbed, for lack of a better word, that these guys flat out turned down the opportunity to look at the job further. That is very concerning to me. Maybe Riley was the guy at the top of his list. But these guys not pursuing the job lends credence to the fact that Nebraska is not a top 15 or 25 national job at this particular time.

Maybe Eichorst was the reason they weren't interested, perhaps it was simply the fact they didn't see the upside in taking the job over the one they were holding. But something caused them to balk.
 
That is a different issue than what I see. I am more disturbed, for lack of a better word, that these guys flat out turned down the opportunity to look at the job further. That is very concerning to me. Maybe Riley was the guy at the top of his list. But these guys not pursuing the job lends credence to the fact that Nebraska is not a top 15 or 25 national job at this particular time.

Maybe Eichorst was the reason they weren't interested, perhaps it was simply the fact they didn't see the upside in taking the job over the one they were holding. But something caused them to balk.
As I posted earlier you have to look at several things when you consider a job. 1. money 2. talent already there 3. stability of the administration (SE was a dead man walking the minute he fired Bo IMO) 4. recruiting base 5. facilities and support. IMO, the AD situation and Tom hiding in the wings were not positive attractions for a head coach and that is why I question who we might have gotten other than somebody getting a huge raise. That's why the next AD HAS to have Osborne's endorsement. Period. It will be that way until Tom has breathed his last.
 
As I posted earlier you have to look at several things when you consider a job. 1. money 2. talent already there 3. stability of the administration (SE was a dead man walking the minute he fired Bo IMO) 4. recruiting base 5. facilities and support. IMO, the AD situation and Tom hiding in the wings were not positive attractions for a head coach and that is why I question who we might have gotten other than somebody getting a huge raise. That's why the next AD HAS to have Osborne's endorsement. Period. It will be that way until Tom has breathed his last.

The guys I am aware of were making good money. I said this in another thread, but these guys being contacted tells me that Nebraska was willing to spend the money. I didn't think money was an issue in 2014 and I don't believe it will be an issue in 2017 if a change is made. That is always the go to for guys that don't realize the number of issues that go into making a move. Nebraska isn't willing to spend the money. I say BS, they paid the AD in the top 5 when they hired him and he was in the top 12 when he was fired.
 
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The guys I am aware of were making good money. I said this in another thread, but these guys being contacted tells me that Nebraska was willing to spend the money. I didn't think money was an issue in 2014 and I don't believe it will be an issue in 2017 if a change is made. That is always the go to for guys that don't realize the number of issues that go into making a move. Nebraska isn't willing to spend the money. I say BS, they paid the AD in the top 5 when they hired him and he was in the top 12 when he was fired.
IF I were a coach in a relatively good situation making similar money there is no way in hell I would have stepped in to the Nebraska situation when Riley did UNLESS I knew I would have the full backing of Tom, the Regents and a stabile AD. I don't think we had any of those when we hired Riley.
 
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IF I were a coach in a relatively good situation making similar money there is no way in hell I would have stepped in to the Nebraska situation when Riley did UNLESS I knew I would have the full backing of Tom, the Regents and a stabile AD. I don't think we had any of those when we hired Riley.
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If Tuco is correct, and the Nebraska job is no longer a top 25 job, then it only adds weight to the argument that we should hire Scott Frost. Now, even he might say no. But I doubt it. I don't care how fertile the recruiting is in Florida, and I don't care that our brand is diminished. Nebraska is a better gig than UCF. And this is his alma mater. Pay him a really good salary and he would come here
 
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If Tuco is correct, and the Nebraska job is no longer a top 25 job, then it only adds weight to the argument that we should hire Scott Frost. Now, even he might say no. But I doubt it. I don't care how fertile the recruiting is in Florida, and I don't care that our brand is diminished. Nebraska is a better gig than UCF. And this is his alma mater. Pay him a really good salary and he would come here

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/ucf-knights/os-sp-ucf-scott-frost-mike-bianchi-0923-story.html

I am certainly not looking at the Larry comments.....but, imo the Scott Frost comments kind of tell you something.
 
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I'm going out on a limb and guessing Richt was one guy you're eluding to. The other hmmmm....maybe Cutcliffe? I'm not sure either fits as a home run hire though. Spurrier? After all he did visit saying it was one of his bucket list things. Franklin was already gone. Jimbo's not in the SEC. Kirby Smart? Malzahn? The problem is that generally when you start looking you send out multiple feelers at the same time to judge interest rather than wait for replies from one guy so it's impossible to say who was first on the list.
If I had one guess it would be Dan Mullen.
 
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If Riley is let go and Frost is offered, I think it inconceivable that he wouldn't accept the job.
 
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Bingo HuskerDana. Read that article last week. Pretty clear Frost would give us a very good shot at hiring him and he is mutually interested as well. That said, still think Riley (barring major pummelings) deserves to at least until the end of this year-and likely next too.

GBR
 
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If Tuco is correct, and the Nebraska job is no longer a top 25 job, then it only adds weight to the argument that we should hire Scott Frost. Now, even he might say no. But I doubt it. I don't care how fertile the recruiting is in Florida, and I don't care that our brand is diminished. Nebraska is a better gig than UCF. And this is his alma mater. Pay him a really good salary and he would come here
Just read the piece. I like what he said.

Side note, the Mike Likes piece where he picked outcomes of games. Just awful.

MIKEY LIKES: UF over Kentucky by 5, FSU over NC State by 7, Maryland over UCF by 9, Miami over Toledo by 10, Bucs over Vikes by 7, Dolphins over Jets by 10, Ravens over Jags by 4, Orlando City’s season over — please, just be over.
 
Who would you consider a homerun hire?
Well Tuco floated the homerun possibility and my idea of a homerun is a guy that virtually guarantees success and I don't think anybody but Saban probably does that. Cutcliffe would have been good. I would have been okay with Richt even though I think he's an average at best game day coach. I guess at the time we didn't know about Mullen's transgressions and he was hot. Not so much now. Any of them would have been a huge upgrade over fhcbp.
 
I would ask for objectivity, but we both see it in different ways... I see a solid, definitive recruiting strategy in place. I see a coach that can bring in talent to OSU, so he should have an even easier time bringing in talent here. I see players from OSU making NFL rosters and playing at high levels.

All of this speaks to recruiting and development. Now I am talking about when he was hired, not how things are today, which is why I mention hindsight. But even then, his recruiting has improved from year 1 here to where things are at right now...

Again, I already have admitted that the development argument seems to have been faulty. But it was one of the reasons given for why he was hired.
A solid, definitive recruiting strategy? Really, because the PR on this site says so? How many under the limit are we? What is our quarterback depth? We have likely one decent QB on the roster and we are not actively recruiting one. In year three the only formidable QB on our roster is a redshirt freshman. How can that be possible? They knew when they got here we had not recruited to their offense yet we didn't take a juice QB and we got a piss poor transfer from a piss poor school and O'Brien who will likely never play here, and if he does we are screwed.

The fact is we hired a coach older than TO when he retired that never won anything who was riding a 2-13 conference record. Let's be honest, Mike Riley's one real skill is to play nice with the media and fans. It sure as hell wasn't his connection with great coaches. We have canned how many of his staff already?
 
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So you're guessing.

now you're imagining. People question what the reporters covering Nebraska football write and you're willing to gobble up a 2nd rate reporter's assumptions in Corvallis as gospel? Gotcha. We know 2 things as fact. Riley had a tough year at OSU. SE offered him a huge pay raise at a much better program. That is EVIDENCE. What you offer is speculation not evidence.
You're right, he made it up. I'm sure 2-13 is acceptable to most AD's. Two of the last three coaches at OSU were Mike Riley at the time those articles were written.. The other one had OSU ranked in the top 5 in the country.

I didn't take anything as gospel, which you may have noticed by the words you highlighted in my post.

It is pretty clear we hired a failing coach who now has us failing. But, pretend that's not so.
 
Well Tuco floated the homerun possibility and my idea of a homerun is a guy that virtually guarantees success and I don't think anybody but Saban probably does that. Cutcliffe would have been good. . . . .I guess at the time we didn't know about Mullen's transgressions and he was hot. .

Three points: (1) Cutcliffe coaches Duke in the ACC (Tuco said his 2 coaches were in the SEC). (2) Coming off the 2014 season, Mullen had coached Mississippi State to #1 in the BCS Rankings (until 2 late losses). That would have been largely considered a home run hire. (3) While Hugh Freeze has numerous transgressions which came to light after 2014, Mullen has not necessarily been considered dirty.
 
Well Tuco floated the homerun possibility and my idea of a homerun is a guy that virtually guarantees success and I don't think anybody but Saban probably does that. Cutcliffe would have been good. I would have been okay with Richt even though I think he's an average at best game day coach. I guess at the time we didn't know about Mullen's transgressions and he was hot. Not so much now. Any of them would have been a huge upgrade over fhcbp.
Ok. None of those guys excites me. And I think talk of a homerun hire, whoever that would be, makes the perfect the enemy of the good. Because if we can't hire a homerun people will say keep Riley even if he is losing. I am increasingly leaning in the direction of Scott Frost for many reasons. Assuming Riley gets fired at all
 
You're right, he made it up. I'm sure 2-13 is acceptable to most AD's. Two of the last three coaches at OSU were Mike Riley at the time those articles were written.. The other one had OSU ranked in the top 5 in the country.

I didn't take anything as gospel, which you may have noticed by the words you highlighted in my post.

It is pretty clear we hired a failing coach who now has us failing. But, pretend that's not so.
We don't know yet if he's failing or not. Last time I checked there's still quite a few games left. He may fail. He may do just fine. He won 9 last year. He still could win as many as 10. Little early don't you think?
 
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A solid, definitive recruiting strategy? Really, because the PR on this site says so? How many under the limit are we? What is our quarterback depth? We have likely one decent QB on the roster and we are not actively recruiting one. In year three the only formidable QB on our roster is a redshirt freshman. How can that be possible? They knew when they got here we had not recruited to their offense yet we didn't take a juice QB and we got a piss poor transfer from a piss poor school and O'Brien who will likely never play here, and if he does we are screwed.

The fact is we hired a coach older than TO when he retired that never won anything who was riding a 2-13 conference record. Let's be honest, Mike Riley's one real skill is to play nice with the media and fans. It sure as hell wasn't his connection with great coaches. We have canned how many of his staff already?
So your role on this board is to combat any post that says Riley is doing something good here. Got it.

That’s fine that you don’t see the recruiting strategy, I guess... even with the turmoil going on right now, another highly touted 4 star player in Tutt says Nebraska is his favorite after this weekend. The other highly touted players already committed are giving their support to these coaches as well. If Riley remains the coach after this year, this recruiting class is likely going to be the best class since Callahan was here.

The fact that we don’t fill classes is distressing, I will grant that. But if you can’t see the effort and organization to his recruiting process, that’s on you.
 
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What is our quarterback depth?

In year three the only formidable QB on our roster is a redshirt freshman. How can that be possible?
Because Riley has had only 2 full recruiting classes? Which JUCO QB should Mike have brought in? Doesn't matter, you'd still bitch. At least you tried to be objective your first few posts, now your true colors are showing.
 
You're right, he made it up. I'm sure 2-13 is acceptable to most AD's. Two of the last three coaches at OSU were Mike Riley at the time those articles were written.. The other one had OSU ranked in the top 5 in the country.

I didn't take anything as gospel, which you may have noticed by the words you highlighted in my post.

It is pretty clear we hired a failing coach who now has us failing. But, pretend that's not so.
A discussion with your AD to re-evaluate your contract does not mean you're on the hot seat, especially when that contract was heavily one-sided. Doesn't mean Riley's seat wasn't starting to warm up, but to state as an absolute fact that "Riley was on the hot seat so that's part of the reason why he came to Nebraska" is complete bull.
 
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Three points: (1) Cutcliffe coaches Duke in the ACC (Tuco said his 2 coaches were in the SEC). (2) Coming off the 2014 season, Mullen had coached Mississippi State to #1 in the BCS Rankings (until 2 late losses). That would have been largely considered a home run hire. (3) While Hugh Freeze has numerous transgressions which came to light after 2014, Mullen has not necessarily been considered dirty.
I stand corrected on Cutcliffe not sure what the hell I was thinking there. But Mullen is dirty.
 
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Ok. None of those guys excites me. And I think talk of a homerun hire, whoever that would be, makes the perfect the enemy of the good. Because if we can't hire a homerun people will say keep Riley even if he is losing. I am increasingly leaning in the direction of Scott Frost for many reasons. Assuming Riley gets fired at all
If you go to any list of the top 25 college coaches, the only guy I can think if that was hired away from another P5 school is Franklin. The top 25 coaches consist of :
  1. Coaches from non-P5 schools
  2. Coordinators- either from a different school or promoted from the same school
  3. Tainted P5 coaches - ie Petrino,Leach or say Richt who was fired
  4. Weird ones - Ie Meyer quitting Florida going to ESPN then to OSU,
  5. Successful P5 coaches who then left for the NFL and failed - ie Harbaugh and Saban
If you are banking on hiring another successful P5 coach then you are barking up the wrong tree doesnt matter what school you are
 
I didn't say he was going to be fired. I was responding to somebody saying there was no evidence of him being on the hot seat.
He went 2-13 in his last 15 pac 12 games. It's not hard to imagine that seat being very hot

Yeah, it's not hard to imagine at all.
 
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