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I think you have misunderstood the intent of my original post. My apologies for not being clearer. I am not claiming that I want Iowa to be our chief rival. I don't. I agree that we need to get back to an elite status where our chief rivals will be other blue blood programs like PSU and/or Michigan/OSU. I was merely trying to be gracious and civil with one of the Hawks fans who regularly posts on here. I was merely agreeing that, should Iowa improve their program and become a consistently good team, it would be a natural rivalry due to our proximity and similar cultures. I don't understand why that is such a controversial sentiment to express or why it means I am aiming low. I never claimed I wanted Iowa to be our chief rival and made it clear in a follow up post that I would merely view them as one rival among many. Nor did I ever say that I will "define our success" by how competitive we are against Iowa. Where did you get that out of my post???
Anyway... we can both agree that we want NU to return to elite status.
Agree on your last sentence. I guess we won’t agree on what constitutes a “rival.” In a sense, every team we play is a rival. However, I aspire to have the Huskers beat the crap out of Iowa 90% of the the time. This will be less likely against, say, Wisconsin or Michigan, whom I believe will become true rivals comparable to Oklahoma. And so far as cutting Iowa fans a break — as some have suggested — I’m not there. Many of their fans are I’m sure, good people, but there are many others who regularly troll this board, perhaps because their own is so placid and their team so unexciting.
A rival you have to play year in and year out.
We’ve only played Michigan 3 times since we joined the B1G and 4th being this year... Same goes for Penn State.
Wisconsin and Iowa will become our rivals.Iowa being a neighboring state with fans working along side by side day in and day out adds to this being a rival that is why they call them bragging rights.
I would put the game against Iowa in a similar place to where our games against Kansas State were. Not our main rival, but still an important, and sometimes, big game. I would rate Colorado, Missouri, and KSU as rivals back in the day but not THE rival which was OU. A rival to me is a team you play every year and who consistently fields a quality, well coached team capable of beating you frequently if you don't bring your best game. We do not play the B1G's blue bloods every year so hard to say they will become rivals like OU was. I would put them in the same category as OU and Texas once the Big 12 was formed.
Missouri was defiantly a rival, the younger generation didn’t witness some of the hard fought games and cheap shots in games that came along with playing Mizzou...
Osborne first loss was to Missouri and Missouri cost Nebraska a chance to play for the National title in 1978.
After that Osborne took never lost to Missouri until the streak ended in 2003.Other wise the series was very close when you and I were younger watching these games Penny.
To be fair 3 out of the 4 years they beat us we had Smilin Mike as a coach. So I wouldn't hold those as big accomplishments if I was Iowa. If we had a half competent coach the last 3 years. I am guessing we beat them at least 2 out of those 3.
And the Herky's throw sling the same stuff back at us in Caption Kirk's first 2 seasons when they say their cupboard was bare when Solich took them behind the woodshed in 1999 and 2000.
Only thing matters now is the future on how this series ( rivalry) goes moving forward.
Exactly! That 78 game broke my heart. After the euphoria of beating OU, that loss to Missouri was a direct kick in the balls with steel tipped cowboy boots.
Some people talk as if OU was our only big game every year. That is total bullshit. Crap... Iowa State beat us two years in a row back then too (76-77). And Colorado, though woeful for a decade or so (73-85), was also a big game many years. Then KSU emerged. Don't tell me our win over them in Manhattan with the Turminator in 94 wasn't a HUGE win for us.
So let's not throw teams like Iowa under the bus just because they aren't a blue blood. They are a solid program, in an agricultural, plains State, next door, who has played us tough every year we have been in the B1G. I may not "define our success" by beating Iowa, but it sure would be sweet if we did this year.
Yes, that is what matters.
But I do hope Iowa never gets rid of Ferentz. So long as he is there, if we do get back to elite status, they won't be a threat
After the 1978 game Nebraska lead the series 37-32-3.. Nebraska leads the series 65-36-3 with help of a 24 game winning streak from 1979-2003.
Agree, they are obviously happy being a middle of the pack team 90% of the time. If we get back to the Nebraska of old, we can beat middle of the back teams pretty consistently. Wisconsin is going to be our biggest threat year in and year out no doubt. Iowa will be an after thought.
Iowa is one of two schools to improve their recruiting each of the pst three seasons. As small as the improvement is, it’s still improvement. I wouldn’t expect non Hawk fans to notice the subtleties but Iowa fans know it. The recruits are better and more athletic. They are beating out Power5 schools instead of just FCS schools for kids. Iowa’s defense is set to be stout for years. Now, the offensive side of the ball is getting better and hopefully Iowa can pull in two four star skill players that they seem to sit well with.
Also, the last three classes are obviously way better than the previous three.
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Wow, talk about splitting hairs in an attempt to justify your very narrow point. I hope we, effectively, play Michigan every year. Everyone can cite their favorite definition of what constitutes a rival, but the fact is, there is no single definition. Alabama considers Georgia a rival, even though they’re in different SEC divisions. Clemson considers Alabama a rival even though they’re in different conferences. Once we get our top ten mojo back, National and Conference championship teams will become our rivals — which, decidedly, will not include Iowa. Aspire to mediocre “rivalries” if you wish, I want to aim higher.
But here’s my point, that I believe you are missing. If we begin regularly winning the West, the top teams — Michigan, OSU and Penn State WILL become our rivals. I can’t even stand to think of Iowa as our rival, because doing so damns us to secondary, mediocre status. I’m just not willing to go there.
But none of the teams you cite came close to the sustained excellence Oklahoma achieved over several decades, with multiple National titles. I came from an era when the Oklahoma - Nebraska RIVALRY, was on the cover of Sports Illustrated. When, we finally spanked Alabama to win a National title, after they beat us in big bowl games a few year’s earlier. Sure teams like KSU or Iowa State occasionally gave us a game, but none of them came close to defining the heavyweight rivalry we had with Oklahoma and Nebraska.
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And sorry I’m adding this...Iowa has to be crazy if they think the Huskers will be the same ole same ole after adding a great HC like Frost. That’s all we ever lacked lately was a real HC. Our talent has always been above there’s in terms of recruiting sites. If all pans out right, watch out Iowa. I’m loving it...
Only one of us (Huskers and Iowa) will be the same ole same ole and its Iowa. Still recruiting on the low end and still has the same ole coach that’s never won it big. Sucks to be Iowa, even ISU made big changes. Can’t wait to see there asses left in the dust by the Huskers and Cyclones.
Only one of us (Huskers and Iowa) will be the same ole same ole and its Iowa. Still recruiting on the low end and still has the same ole coach that’s never won it big. Sucks to be Iowa, even ISU made big changes. Can’t wait to see there asses left in the dust by the Huskers and Cyclones.
Sorry (actually I’m not) Iowa fans, don’t like to hear positive Husker stuff and negative Hawkeye crap, there is always the Iowa board. Remember this is a HUSKER SITE. Just saying...we are not going to brag up that crap show. God I love poking Iowa’s fans.
The reference is that Oklahoma was Nebraska only rivalry game in the Big 8 Which is faults.
I share your hope that we will return to elite status and develop rivalries with the blue blood programs you mention. I have already stated as much several times, so I am at a loss as to what point it is I am "missing". I have also stated several times that all I want is for Iowa to turn into a decent program that gives us a challenge every year and which therefore develops into a natural rivalry as well. You are the one who seems to have some personal issue with Iowa to such an extent that you can't even seem to stomach the idea. Fine. I was the same when KSU and Colorado got better. I hated both teams and wanted them in the dirt and refused to call them rivals. Lol. So I understand your angle here and if that is how you feel then so be it.
But I don't think hoping Iowa gets better and becomes something of a rival means we are aiming low or settling for mediocrity. All it means is that they are a team we play every year who got good and now presents us with a challenge. Iowa may not be a blue blood program but they sure as hell aren't Rutgers either. I hope we beat them every year 66-0. And if we do they won't be a rival for long. But my hunch is that the Iowa game will be a tough one most years.
I agree. Those games were not rivalry games like OU was. That game was huge. Trust me I understand. I am 59 and lived through the glory years of that rivalry.
But what is your broader point?? I am struggling to understand your issue here. So what if Missouri and Colorado and KSU were not as big a game as OU was? They were still big and important games and they were rivalry teams too but on a lesser scale. I was at that 92 Colorado game in Lincoln (The Lincoln Assassination as Colorado fans call it) where we crushed them. That was the loudest NU crowd I ever heard. That stadium was jacked and pumped. Why? Because like it or not Colorado had become a rival and that was a HUGE game. But oops... I guess it really wasn't because they weren't OU? Nonsense
Three years ago we were told that Mike Riley would get Nebraska competitive again because he was a good coach that had never had the athletes or facilities that Nebraska has. That didn’t work out so well. This is why Iowa fans say “show us first”, because talk has happened before and is pretty cheap.And sorry I’m adding this...Iowa has to be crazy if they think the Huskers will be the same ole same ole after adding a great HC like Frost. That’s all we ever lacked lately was a real HC. Our talent has always been above there’s in terms of recruiting sites. If all pans out right, watch out Iowa. I’m loving it...
With that said, I do believe Frost will be successful at Nebraska. Seems like a guy who is going to be successful and do it the right way. We need more coaches like him in college football.
Nebraska is NOT going to regain the success it once had. Look at how hard it is to win today. Even OSU isn’t guaranteed a spot in the playoff every year. OSU, Penn State and Michigan stock like talent more than Nebraska andmore than Iowa could dream of. Wisconsin is recruiting better and we know that’s scary. You’ve got NW winning 9-10 games the pst few years. Minnesota might get better with Fleck (recruiting has). Hell, Purdue is not gonna be a gimme anymore.
I’m also not worried about Iowa beating better talented teams IF Nebraska gets on the same level as the top teams in the east as they have beaten/hung with those teams the past couple. I’m more worried about Kirk beating the teams he should in the West. That’s been his downfall.
I think “we were told” is most likely some selective hearing. Told by whom? Most reasonable fans, while hoping for the best, were hardly on fire over MR. A mostly failed coach at all levels who occasionally pulls off an upset. Trying to put lipstick on a pig and keep a happy face to support your team is hardly resounding support.
If you can’t tell the difference in the program with him at the helm and the 3 other coaches who lost a combined 2 games to iowa in 30 years, I really don’t know what to tell you.
If you can’t tell the difference in the program with him at the helm and the 3 other coaches who lost a combined 2 games to iowa in 30 years, I really don’t know what to tell you.
I think when you say we will not have the success we once had it is important to define "success". If you mean mid-90's dynasty type success then probably not. NO OTHER TEAM in the history of college football has EVER had a better five year run than that. It was historically great and may never be repeated. So no... I doubt we have that level of success again. And very, very few Husker fans expect that. But I think it is entirely possible to return to our level of success in the 80's where we were a perennial top ten team and a real contender every year.
I have a friend who is BIG Iowa fan. He is excited to have Frost at Nebraska. He says it has made him ill to watch the Huskers under Bo and MR as they were not really representative of what NEBRASKA football should have been. He couldn't understand how a proud program could allow Bo's behavior and Riley's incompetence
This^^^^^^is correct. Iowa = KSU or Colorado. Bragging rights should be enough for Iowa fan, but Iowa message board fans aren’t satisfied with bragging rights. IMO, most message board Iowa fans hate the fact that KF still has a losing record to Nebraska after winning three in a row against nice guy MR. Additionally, whether they acknowledge it or not, when Nebraska joined the B1G Iowa football was kicked down a rung.
That is the equivalent of saying the smaller fat kid eats more Twinkies than the larger fat kid. Doesn't matter, they are both fat. Nothing to take pride in.
Both programs sucked. Just because the less sucky program beat the other sucky program doesn't mean they suck any less.
Yes Iowa has "kicked our ass" the last 3 years. Remember who our coach was before singing to much praise to Iowas dominance.
A factor in the losses to Iowa was the lack of NEBRASKA depth at the end of the season. Seems like we always went into those games beat up. A healthy Tommy I believe would have prevented one loss
Alabama biggest rival in the SEC who they consider is Tennessee. And they play in the opposite division and they play them every year.
I think Rivalry depends on what definition people are giving it. I am with you. If one looks at a rivalry as any team we are playing against and in close proximity as a "rival" than yes Iowa can be considered a rival.
I think a rival is defined as 2 teams that are consistently playing in the top 25, that go back and forth with wins and losses. That battle it out year in and year out to claim the conf title. As of now neither us or Iowa can qualify for that. The difference is we have proven over the years we can. I believe we can get back to that. Iowa never has, and probably never will. That is why I don't believe they will every be a true Nebraska rival. Just my opinion
It is in Nebraska's best interest that EVERY team in the BIG West including Iowa get better in order for the division to get national respect. If Iowa beats tOSU, NW beats MSU, Illinois beats Indiana and so on, those are wins for NEBRASKA as the West will Garner respect which currently is lacking. I cheer for all division members in cross over games. Having tough division members only makes others including Nebraska up their game and will eventually result in conference championships.
I can see you’re point to a certain degree.But before Missouri went to the SEC their biggest rival was Kansas and neither team was consistently in the top 25 but they hated one another in fact they STILL do.
Texas also had a hatred rivalry with A&M before they went to the SEC and A&M was rarely in the top 25 every year and Texas owns the series 76-35-5 and it hardly ever went back and forth with wins and losses.
You are new. This is FAR from the the dumbest thread. There was one on here a few weeks back about farting. Hang around awhile and you will see it gets much worse than this. I have learned it is much less frustrating to just ignore than to comment on the posts that annoy.
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Yes I can see that side as well. Iowa will probably end up becoming a rival due to the hate factor not the competition factor.
Don't forget the "bragging rights" and recruiting factors as well. A lot of Nebraskans live and work in Iowa and vice versa. That, by itself, creates something of a "rivalry" atmosphere. Nobody wants to have to talk to that Iowan who works in Omaha and you have to see him on Monday after Iowa kicks our ass on Saturday. We also don't want to be losing recruits out of Omaha to Iowa. We need to win the Iowa/Nebraska areas recruiting battles.
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