Championship teams.Who wouldn’t be pleased by beating Iowa, Minnesota, Purdue and NW..
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Championship teams.Who wouldn’t be pleased by beating Iowa, Minnesota, Purdue and NW..
not that I’ve actually taken the time to go look up the score and do the math, but that’s awesome that you have and all, but I’d be willing to bet that the Ohio state game skewed with those numbers a little... look I get it chicken little, the sky is falling in your world you’re doom and gloom, that’s great you’re free to see things how you want to... I look at the eye ball test, and realize that no two seasons are the same, I watch the game look for talent and at effort... I know what I see, I see a team that has more talent then what the record shows... I see a team that has to get out of its own way... I see the same record you do and it does suck, but part of the great thing about being a fan is every year is a New Year, and that brings new hope... I’m not going to drink the kool-Aid just yet, because I’ve been burnt by that before... but the talent is there deny it or not chicken little, that’s on youI didn't say expectations. I said what "greats"expect. We're not there yet at this time. A .70 win record would have been unacceptable in the 80s and 90s when we were up there as the "greats".
I never correlated it to my expectations for this year.
Personally on a 9 or 10 game season I'd be tickled pink with only 3 losses. Please read the whole thread. I was trying to explain where another poster might be coming from
Blown out by Ohio state (no surprise) and minnesota (big surprise). That more than accounts for the rest of the season and the point differential. We easily could have beaten Iowa, Purdue and Indiana. Again, operative word is could have.2018 average margin of loss in conference games ..... 14.6 points (4 home games - 5 road games)
2019 average margin of loss in conference games .....16.3 points ( 5 home games - 4 road games)
now on to the more complex part that involves looking deeper - if you are losing games by a wider margin in 2019 than you were in 2018 then you were, in fact, NOT "sticking closer to teams" or in a position to win more of those games than the year before
Why do we do this to ourselves? I guess nearly two decades of disappointments does this to programs.Purdue- W
NW- W
Illinois- W
Rutgers- W
Ohio State- L
Penn State- L
Iowa- W
Wisconsin- L (close loss, 24-21, they win on last second field, brutal game)
Minnesota- W
Extra Game: Michigan State- W (we whip Mel Tucker's ass, Frost runs up the score)
Blown out by Ohio state (no surprise) and minnesota (big surprise). That more than accounts for the rest of the season and the point differential. We easily could have beaten Iowa, Purdue and Indiana. Again, operative word is could have.
If we don’t lose by a combined total of 68 points to those 2 teams, the other 7 conference games were much closer than your stats suggest.
Yeah, like you, I have an agenda as well. It’s just a different agenda than yours.
I’m telling you, try the koolaid, you won’t be such a downer if you drink enough of it.
Wow. You must be totally misunderstanding what I am saying or I'm not saying it clear enough.not that I’ve actually taken the time to go look up the score and do the math, but that’s awesome that you have and all, but I’d be willing to bet that the Ohio state game skewed with those numbers a little... look I get it chicken little, the sky is falling in your world you’re doom and gloom, that’s great you’re free to see things how you want to... I look at the eye ball test, and realize that no two seasons are the same, I watch the game look for talent and at effort... I know what I see, I see a team that has more talent then what the record shows... I see a team that has to get out of its own way... I see the same record you do and it does suck, but part of the great thing about being a fan is every year is a New Year, and that brings new hope... I’m not going to drink the kool-Aid just yet, because I’ve been burnt by that before... but the talent is there deny it or not chicken little, that’s on you
ok let’s take out the 2 most lopsided conference losses from 2018 and 2019
remainder of the conference losses
2018 average loss 6.25 points
2019 average loss 7.5 points
we still lost by a wider margin in 2019 than 2018 despite having more home games ... not sure how anyone can argue progress was made
If you are going to have an agenda at least do the math
I concede. I didn’t do the math and should have. Could have saved me a post.ok let’s take out the 2 most lopsided conference losses from 2018 and 2019
remainder of the conference losses
2018 average loss 6.25 points
2019 average loss 7.5 points
we still lost by a wider margin in 2019 than 2018 despite having more home games ... not sure how anyone can argue progress was made
If you are going to have an agenda at least do the math
Are you taking anything else in to account like how healthy the offense was in 2018 compared to 2019 during conference play?
I saw where you posted in another thread but conveniently ignored this one.Did I say "I" wouldn't be pleased with it? Tell me where or are you just looking for fight?
If someone wants to look at Nebraska’s injuries each game and then look at each opponents injuries as well and then compare each game in 2018 and then 2019 they are welcome to do that detailed analysis
The point differentials are in reference to a poster’s statement claiming that Nebraska was “sticking closer to teams” and in a position to win more games in 2019 than 2018 which is false.
And that in 2018 we had a kicker, but not in 2019...Are you taking anything else in to account like how healthy the offense was in 2018 compared to 2019 during conference play?
If someone wants to look at Nebraska’s injuries each game and then look at each opponents injuries as well and then compare they are welcome to do that detailed analysis
The point differentials are in reference
And that in 2018 we had a kicker, but not in 2019...
Another very important point..
I’m taking into consideration what Riley left for SF to work with...
I know you don’t like hearing this because your a Mile Riley disciple..
not a Riley disciple at all ... he was a horrible coach ....
perhaps there are some unique features that makes Nebraska an outlier with regards to the study I posted showing the greatest improvement should come between year 1 and year 2 - particularly if the coach you fired was due to poor on field performance - clearly a category Nebraska falls in
there should be pretty dramatic improvement in year 3 - the lower the bar the easier it is to show dramatic improvement.
It’s taken some time getting back what were suppose to look like in the weight room and that doesn’t happen with a flip of a switch. I expect to be more physical on both sides of the ball and it has taken time to restock the shelves with SF type players on offense that he needs to run the kind of offense that we seen similar to UCF..
Hate to use Iowa Captain KF but it took him 4 years to be a Big 10 contender..
I would be interested to see how many power 5 coaches took over a program that won only 3 power 5 games the year before and did not improve on that total in either of the first 2 years
Kirk Ferentz is a good example and hopefully the improvement at Nebraska in Frosts first 6 years mirrors Ferentz. If we are going to use Ferentz’s first 3 years as a barometer then it is also fair to use his next 3 (years 4-6) where he
was co big ten champion - played in a NY6 equivalent bowl and finished in the top 10 in years 4,5,6. So by Ferentz standards - which are often quoted here - we should expect 3 top 10 finishes in the next 4 years.
Let”s also point out the Big10 didn’t have divisions and CCG..So I guess we’ll have to wait won’t we.
Same could be said in defense of Riley’s records. Pelini didn’t leave him much.I’m taking into consideration what Riley left for SF to work with...
I know you don’t like hearing this because your a Mile Riley disciple..
Same could be said in defense of Riley’s records. Pelini didn’t leave him much.
Unfortunately, many Nebraska fans have morphed into Iowa fans based on their expectations and definition of success.Hate to use Iowa Captain KF but it took him 4 years to be a Big 10 contender..
Disagree. Many Nebraska fans are patient and willing to give Frost more than 3 years to get the job done. Many Nebraska fans recognize it’ll take more time than they would like.Unfortunately, many Nebraska fans have morphed into Iowa fans based on their expectations and definition of success.
Um, yes you did, by starting your sentence with the word "sadly".Did I say "I" wouldn't be pleased with it? Tell me where or are you just looking for fight?
I like to use reality and logic. I understand what I see. I’m not doing anything to myselfWhy do we do this to ourselves? I guess nearly two decades of disappointments does this to programs.
I like to use reality and logic. I understand what I see. I’m not doing anything to myself
What gets me is how much joy you take in constantly going after sunshine pumpers.LOL -- a lot of posters were using this "reality and logic" and what they "see" to predict 9-10 wins for the 2019 season - for all we know you were one of them
What gets me is how much joy you take in constantly going after sunshine pumpers.
What will you do when Nebraska is winning 10+ games a season? You will need to find a new purpose in life...
I get that. I guess I was referencing your body of work, not just in this thread.have no problem if someone predicts 9-10 wins or whatever -- but don't come at us/me with bullshit about logic and reason and how they "understand what they are seeing" so much better than the rest of us - particularly if, like many, they might have been spouting the same nonsense the year prior about winning a bunch of games
I try to keep things pretty objective - I don't have a lot of tolerance for someone who likely doesn't know shit (like the rest of us) - explaining how 3 power 5 wins for the second straight year shows some type of progress because he/she "understands what they are seeing" or is using some type of superior logic that the rest of us just can't summon
I get that. I guess I was referencing your body of work, not just in this thread.
I do believe if AM played last year the way he played as a freshman, we win at least 2 more games, likely 3, and we aren’t having this conversation. He didn’t play at all against Indiana, was ineffective against Purdue, and threw the pick before the half against Iowa.
I know that you can easily come back with other scenarios that show we could have lost to northwestern and Illinois, and probably will, but to my untrained eye, we progressed.
I am not an expert, even self-proclaimed... As I’ve said many times in the past, I am not an X’s and O’s guy. What I see doesn’t mean you need to see it, nor does it mean my opinion is better than yours. It’s just my opinion.
Can’t disagree with you here... one question I would ask, and maybe it wouldn’t make a difference, who knows... if we hired Mel Tucker after a 13-0 season, I do believe people would be more patient. I think...that’s fair ... for me personally I saw 3 conference wins for the second year in a row and a second straight loss to an abysmal Colorado team that had a brand new staff.
those are facts - all the talk around those facts is just conjecture. If the above would have been Iowa or had we hired Mel Tucker in 2018 rather than Scott Frost the narrative around the last 2 seasons, I believe, would have been completely different - despite everything else being the same
a true case study in unconscious bias - IMO
that’s fair ... for me personally I saw 3 conference wins for the second year in a row and a second straight loss to an abysmal Colorado team that had a brand new staff.
those are facts - all the talk around those facts is just conjecture. If Nebraska had hired Mel Tucker in 2018 rather than Scott Frost the narrative around the last 2 seasons, I believe, would have been completely different - despite everything else being the same
I said 9, possible 10 if we got lucky. I’ve rewatched them enough to know the 1-2 plays that cost us those games, and they’re all self inflicted, excluding Ohio state. Look I don’t care if you shit on this party but the difference is that you’re refusing to acknowledge the progress because they ended up in losses. I can respect that. But you can’t tell me I’m wrong for “being able to see it” just because you refuse to care if it’s a loss.LOL -- a lot of posters were using this "reality and logic" and what they "see" to predict 9-10 wins for the 2019 season - for all we know you were one of them
1 notch not as bad but yeahthese threads are worse than the covid ones
these threads are worse than the covid ones
1 notch not as bad but yeah
I said 9, possible 10 if we got lucky. I’ve rewatched them enough to know the 1-2 plays that cost us those games, and they’re all self inflicted, excluding Ohio state. Look I don’t care if you shit on this party but the difference is that you’re refusing to acknowledge the progress because they ended up in losses. I can respect that. But you can’t tell me I’m wrong for “being able to see it” just because you refuse to care if it’s a loss.