Bring back option and power running
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Please explain percyland.
I want to know why the option will not work in the Big Ten.
My apologies. I shouldn't have jumped on your post the way I did. But we're not going to go back to the option. It just isn't going to happen.
True but N cant seem to get them so you need to find a neutralizer. Husker power used to be that now its follow the leader and cant even do that well. We cant even beat Wisky and Iowa.. come on..
Here is the prob with option FB these days, which HS even run the option anymore? Exactly nobody, kids don't want to play it so it is hard to recruit anyone worthy. Our biggest issue is HS football in the state sucks, so very few players for the home team. We need to recruit nationally and that takes time to build those pipelines.
Absolutely..........now how do get the Jimmy's and Joe's?? You have to have a very compelling reason to get a kid from either coast to come to Lincoln. Success is one of them.
There's a reason Osborne ran the type of offense he did. Because it gave him the best chance to win when he went up against teams that had better talent. And he didn't need as many Jimmy's and Joe's to succeed. It's a tall order to win in Lincoln running a pro style offense. Not saying it can't be done, but that's a tough hill to climb. Hope Riley and Co. can make it happen some day.
Get @ me when there are hundreds if not thousands of camps every year where the kids go to practice the option. The option is dead and it's not coming back.
Just remember, your option recruiting isn't typically going to have a first round PRO-STYLE QB as the backup like we did in '94 and '95. Better hope your QB can take the hits Michigan, Penn St., OSU, and Wisconsin are going to be dishing out on them as well. What happened to our option QB this season, by the way?
Power football is the key. Those TO teams were always power first with a sprinkle of option in. The option was actually the finesse side of the offense. No one wants GT or Navy but want a return to a physical identity that was tangible. We will never be able to recruit at a level to sustain a west coast offensive style of play.
There's an old Husker coach that would disagree with you. Yep, the man himself T.O. Had an opportunity to speak to him a few years ago and he was pretty adamant that his style option football would be alive and well today......and I believe him.
I'd buy his claim that it would work. We ran the option but the offense was not pigeonholed in to running it. It was nothing more than a run heavy pro style offense that utilized a dual threat/option QB and mixed in some option football. A pro style QB could run that offense and it would work pretty well. I'd say the option tossed in to it made it that much more dangerous. We've seen just as many dives, isos, counters, traps, power as we've seen option over the years. Sometimes Osborne would piss you off with that dive play.
It would work because it's used all over today just in different forms with no option.
Actually, what is key is a great defense. We held FSU to 18 points, Miami to 17, and Florida to 24 when they were all prolific on offense. Peyton Manning was also shut down in '97. So where are the recruiting excuses there? Those are athletes all the same. Callahan proved you can recruit the big time talent to Nebraska. The only reason Bo was around for 7 years was because of that fact.
Of course he still thinks that. Problem is, he jumped ship right as the rules of the game changed for our program. The rest as they say, is history.
The game of football has changed a lot in those 20 years since he coached last. So many things have changed. Just look at the sad state of high school football in Nebraska and then around the country. There is full blown national recruiting in high school football now. That's sad to me. Look at the '90s from a talent standpoint in Omaha alone. You had guys like Erick Strickland, Ahman Green, Eric Crouch, Kenton Keith, Randy Stella, and the list goes on. There was a ton of legit talent in those few years in the metro itself that probably hasn't been matched in the past decade from the entire state.
You could fill this forum with threads about how the internet has changed every aspect of the game as well. From training methods, to X's and O's, recruiting, diet, film, PEDs, communication...you could go on forever.
It's a different ballgame in 2017.
To run the option and actually compete youlll have to have a better power game than Michigan. And Nebraska isn't even close to Wisconsin or Iowa in that aspect.
It would maybe work in the BiG 12, where defensive ends are 212lbs and teams put up 60 points a game.
Or watch the Orange bowl Iowa was last in when they played the Georgia Tech that dominated the ACC. Iowa kicked their ass with big DL and good linebackers. Which the Big Ten is full of.
Nevermind, as a matter of fact I hope they bring in the option and use Navy/Air Force playbook.
This is exactly my problem with the pro style system, at least here. I don't think it's sustainable year in and year out. You might get lucky once in a great while where all the stars align, but the 500 mile radius is not going to support that kind of system. We do however know what kind of system will work.
When Riley retires/gets fired, it's going to be an even more difficult hill to climb to get back to just running the football. Look at how our running game has all but disappeared under Mike in just 2 years.. 61 flipping yards yesterday? 2.2 a carry, on 28 attempts? that's about as pathetic a performance I've ever seen from a 9-3 Nebraska team.
We seem to be doing well with the hard part - We'll have 3 QBs on the roster that are better equipped to run the offense that Riley wants, along with some seemingly talented receivers. The easier part for Nebraska should be building strong offensive and defensive lines. I'm not sure why that has been such a problem the past 15 years or so (the o-line in particular).
Nebraska needs to emulate Wisconsin's model on the interior. Be able to bank on that every year will allow you to contend every year. Then, the years where your QB is a seasoned veteran will give you a chance actually deliver a title.
Nebraska needs to emulate Wisconsin's model on the interior. Be able to bank on that every year will allow you to contend every year. Then, the years where your QB is a seasoned veteran will give you a chance actually deliver a title.
Name the elite programs that run the ball. Alabama, Ohio State, Michigan. We ran Ozigbo right up the middle for about a 40 yard gain now after that play did we run it again? That was a play big on big and got good yards we come back and run a zone stretch play for negative yards Uh Hello
Just bring back coaching hard nosed football. It doesn't matter what scheme we run if we don't play aggressively and with toughness. Recruiting won't bring us back either if we continue to approach the game like it is basketball.
Oh brother - learn something about FOOTBALL. One run "up the middle" is one play that was successful because of a host of reasons - caught the team in a blitz, missed tackle, incorrect alignment, etc, etc, etc. Then when it doesn't work every time you blame the person calling the darn play. What the heck are you looking at and thinking about? You remind me of my brother in law whom I have never been around when he watches a game and last week he was watching the Chiefs and stood up and yelled like crazy at the coaches for a "stupid play call" that got blown up 4 yards in the backfield by a blitzing backer. It happens, doesn't mean it was a bad call, but it does mean someone missed an assignment. Then people like you think we run the same two or three plays when there is so much complexity in formations and blocking assignments you would never know the difference unless you actually knew something about football besides sitting in your chair and pronouncing judgement after the fact.
Unfortunately the Husker nation will always have the fall back to go to when things fall apart - go back to the option game. Well, fine, Guess what, it took Tom many years to get that system in place and working right. In spite of what you think it still took elite athletes to make it work, regardless of the system. The D changed from a 5-2 to a 4 man front with more athletic backers. That didn't happen overnight as well and took great athletes. Go back and look at the players who came through those doors in the 90's, they are incredible athletes. To say we can get by on less talent is ridiculous beyond belief.
Anybody that just blindly thinks that the option will bring Nebraska 'back' has no idea what they are talking about.
Do you know why the option was so successful at Nebraska? It's because TO was an offensive savant. Without TO running the option and calling the plays, it wouldn't work. Or would at best work as well as any offense that we run now.
It's the same for Oregons offense and Chip Kelly. Oregon doesn't need Kelly's offense. They need Kelly.
Do you know why the option was so successful at Nebraska? It's because TO was an offensive savant. Without TO running the option and calling the plays, it wouldn't work. Or would at best work as well as any offense that we run now.
It's the same for Oregons offense and Chip Kelly. Oregon doesn't need Kelly's offense. They need Kelly.
Lol......
Alabama 245 rush yds game 226 pass
OSU 256 rush yards game 221 pass
Just for fun I'll stick Mich up there even though it's laughable you're calling a team that lost 3 of its last 4 elite.
Mich 212 rush 212 pass.
Lastly here's the top rushing offenses in college football this year: New Mexico, Army, Navy, Air Force, South Florida, San Diego St, and Tulsa. Now that's elite.
you really think its so simple that all we have to do is run the option, then magically our O Line will learn how to block, Our QB will learn how to not turn the ball over and we will waltz through the B1G like its 1995? That 95 team would have won the MNC regardless of what scheme they ran, why? Cause they were loaded with talent. Riley has been coaching for 40 years. If it were that easy that he just needed to change scheme you dont think he would have figured it out by now? I went back and checked, Riley has recruited 4/22 of our starters and people are ready to throw the baby out with the bath water. I suggest we at least give Riley time to field a team of his recruits for his system before we start over again.
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Yes, absolutely. I think NU's path to success will come with a balanced offense and much better athletes on defense. So I'm not in the run-happy crowd or the empty-the-backfield-and-chuck-it-55-times camp,
Yes, absolutely. I think NU's path to success will come with a balanced offense and much better athletes on defense. So I'm not in the run-happy crowd or the empty-the-backfield-and-chuck-it-55-times camp,
To say I don't know football is laughable ihave coached for many years and I can say that any system works when executed properly and with the athletes to run it. Is it fair to drop our QB back 30-50 times and watch him run for his life and that even happened to Armstrong these guys get paid millions to figure it out now they did do some things to play to the strengths of Armstrong but what do you do now that he's gone. Hopefully Lee is the answer but if the line can't pass protect then he won't make it through the season, that's why power run needs to come back maybe not option but power run
'I know what I'm talking about, I'm a coach.'
'These coaches don't know what they're doing. Even though they are D1, P5 coaches. And I'm not nearly as successful in the same profession.'
The logic is sound....
Okay here's some stats for you and we'll compare Alabama and Ohio St to Nebraska since these teams pound the ball according to you.
2016 stats:
Alabama 371 pass plays 555 rush plays
Ohio St 376 pass plays 560 rush plays
Nebraska 400 pass plays 523 rush plays
So the question is which do you believe?
1. Nebraska pounds the ball
2. Alabama and OSU fling the ball around
3. Maybe it's all about talent and you just can't see it.
Armstrong averaged 26 attempts per game this year, which I absolutely believe to be a fair amount for any Pro Style system. What do you call all the designed QB runs and rollout throws that Riley and Langsdorf drew up specifically to play to Armstrong strengths this year? They absolutely were doing everything they could to help him be successful. Did you wonder why we ran so many fly sweeps last year and we ran like 4 this year? Langsdorf's answer "We don't have anyone that can pull." I am sure you as an experienced coach would have a hard time running power without guards that can pull. Langsdorf and Riley did a hell of a job working with nothing up front. The Offensive line problems are not a product of coaching the wrong scheme, they are a product of horrible recruiting. I am thrilled to see what Riley and Langsdorf can do with Lee and agree that unless our Offensive Line improves drastically it won't matter much who is throwing the ball.
Go pop in the bowl game tape for the seven years before the '94 Orange Bowl. If you truly want to go back to that let me know. I sure as hell don't want to watch that again.
T. Frazier was not sustainable. LP was not sustainable. That's recruiting.
I would, we were actually relevant back then... Seriously though, we couldn't run that system because the man responsible for that system is no longer here and Riley isn't the offensive mind that Osborne was to run it.
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