Big Red Wrap Up

[husker2612]

I just watched the Big Red Wrap up. Not sure how many other actually did. Wondering your take from it.
From what I got is they are not to positive on the outlook for the rest of the season. Said we could easily see a losing record.
They said this teams issues on D is not related to talent. Said our top 20 guys are just as good as anybody in the big 10. Problem is schemes and secondary fundamentals. That we are letting their receivers run their routs cleanly. Never getting any kind of hand or bump on them that first 5 yards. He said he look through every play that southern miss played to see if we interrupted their routs..... Not once, not once did our guys get a hand on them. They were free to run their routs. That is huge, Qb and Wr work on timing. If our guys can't interrupt that timing it is not good, as we are seeing.
Not sure if anyone knows but we rank DEAD LAST in the country for passing yards aloud. That doesn't come down to only lack of talent. It comes down to coaching and not teaching these kids how to play basic football, plain and simple. IF the basic fundamentals aren't being taught from coaches with 30 something years experience, it does worry me what this team will become.

Plus side, they were very positive on Armstrong and our run D.

 

[iROOT4nu]

I always thought if you jam the receiver, you are susceptible to the long pass if you get beat. I guess we get beat doing the opposite. Something's got to give in the secondary.

 

[red rover 70]

I always thought if you jam the receiver, you are susceptible to the long pass if you get beat. I guess we get beat doing the opposite. Something's got to give in the secondary.

If our DB's are slow to react five yards off imagine them playing bump and run??? Instead of being concerned about the yards given up we'd be discussing the 100 ppg debacle.

 

[husker2612]

I always thought if you jam the receiver, you are susceptible to the long pass if you get beat. I guess we get beat doing the opposite. Something's got to give in the secondary.

I can see that too, but obviously whatever they are or aren't doing is not working at all. So the coaches need to figure something else out. One thing that would help is get some GD pressure on the QB

 

[i8uP]

I coached FB for a long time...if your playing man coverage the best way to protect a corner is to have them play physical at the LOS rather that play off and give the WR space to make the DB look foolish. Defense 101.

 

[red rover 70]

I coached FB for a long time...if your playing man coverage the best way to protect a corner is to have them play physical at the LOS rather that play off and give the WR space to make the DB look foolish. Defense 101.

And that is because a quarterback usually doesn't have(you pick a number) to sit back and wait for a reciever to come open. The reciever knows where he's going. The man playing defense is not. If you can't get to the quarterback then your proposing suicide... or are you saying we should just hold ten yards or ten seconds later???

 

[red rover 70]

I can damn near guarantee you if you could generate a pass rush without a blitz we would be playing bump and run. We can't so we won't. If it starts to happen as the season goes on we will start seeing some press coverage.

 

[NikkiSixx]

Blake Lawrence says on the show that he tried to find one example where the secondary broke up a pass play during the Southern Miss game and could not find one.

If you're interested in watching the show online, it is here:
http://netnebraska.org/interactive-multimedia/sports/big-red-wrap-southern-mississippi-1505

 

[red rover 70]

Blake Lawrence says on the show that he tried to find one example where the secondary broke up a pass play during the Southern Miss game and could not find one.

If you're interested in watching the show online, it is here:
http://netnebraska.org/interactive-multimedia/sports/big-red-wrap-southern-mississippi-1505

I say let Banker and Riley play the defense they want to play. They watch the kid's practice and know what they can and can't do. And this jam philosophy starts and ends with pressure on the quarterback. That was Charlie's MO with his revamped 4-3. Why do you think we ate Pro-style quarterbacks for lunch all them years??? Because our rush was gonna get your quarterback before our DB's were finished beating up your recievers. Simple as that.

 

[yort2000]

I coached FB for a long time...if your playing man coverage the best way to protect a corner is to have them play physical at the LOS rather that play off and give the WR space to make the DB look foolish. Defense 101.

From Carroll,"The corners have to run fast if you plan on playing bump and run. If they don't run fast then you can still play with them. But if your corners are not faster than the wide receivers you are facing don't play bump and run. You're asking them to do something they can not do and they'll get beat deep. It is a race when you play bump and run and if you can't win the race don't play bump and run."

http://www.fieldgulls.com/2011/6/13/2215749/Seattle-seahawks-pete-carroll-cornerbacks

 

[vs540husker]

Aside from not being physical, the biggest issue I have with the secondary is how they don't play the ball. They just let the receiver catch it without even getting a hand up to try to knock the ball down or turn and make a play on it. That is a coaching problem, not a talent problem.
The opposing teams offenses are basically just playing a game of uncontested 500 in the school yard.

 

[StrongArm517]

They said this teams issues on D is not related to talent. Said our top 20 guys are just as good as anybody in the big 10. Problem is schemes and secondary fundamentals.

I don't know how you got this out of the discussion???? Sean Callahan says our top 20 talent is on par with conference talent but not our 2nd 20 and when you combine this with already thin positions like LB and DE you're looking at problems.

 

[iROOT4nu]

All I'm saying is we are getting beat deep, a lot and often with what we have put on display so far. Something needs to change with on of the two, scheme or personnel. I'll let the coaches recruit before I judge them too hard.

 

[NikkiSixx]

"Michigan State's 4-3 Cover 4 begins with corner play. Narduzzi's corners use press coverage which is unique in Cover 4. Intense press coverage will force opposing receivers into bubble releases, inconsistent routes, slow routes and will foster aggressive play by your defense."

http://www.championshipproductions....ll/4-3-Over-Cover-4-Defense-Set_FD-03922.html

 

[BornNBredRed]

I just watched the Big Red Wrap up. Not sure how many other actually did. Wondering your take from it.
From what I got is they are not to positive on the outlook for the rest of the season. Said we could easily see a losing record.
They said this teams issues on D is not related to talent. Said our top 20 guys are just as good as anybody in the big 10. Problem is schemes and secondary fundamentals. That we are letting their receivers run their routs cleanly. Never getting any kind of hand or bump on them that first 5 yards. He said he look through every play that southern miss played to see if we interrupted their routs..... Not once, not once did our guys get a hand on them. They were free to run their routs. That is huge, Qb and Wr work on timing. If our guys can't interrupt that timing it is not good, as we are seeing.
Not sure if anyone knows but we rank DEAD LAST in the country for passing yards aloud. That doesn't come down to only lack of talent. It comes down to coaching and not teaching these kids how to play basic football, plain and simple. IF the basic fundamentals aren't being taught from coaches with 30 something years experience, it does worry me what this team will become.

Plus side, they were very positive on Armstrong and our run D.

On the show, they were just being kind to the players. The talent is seriously lacking.

 

[nebcountry]

"Michigan State's 4-3 Cover 4 begins with corner play. Narduzzi's corners use press coverage which is unique in Cover 4. Intense press coverage will force opposing receivers into bubble releases, inconsistent routes, slow routes and will foster aggressive play by your defense."

http://www.championshipproductions....ll/4-3-Over-Cover-4-Defense-Set_FD-03922.html

I looked at the linked promo. Maybe I can fork up 70 bucks for the 2 video set and put it in Banker's stocking for Christmas. (just kidding)

It'll be interesting to see what we do on our pass defense as the season goes on.

 

[red rover 70]

"Michigan State's 4-3 Cover 4 begins with corner play. Narduzzi's corners use press coverage which is unique in Cover 4. Intense press coverage will force opposing receivers into bubble releases, inconsistent routes, slow routes and will foster aggressive play by your defense."

http://www.championshipproductions....ll/4-3-Over-Cover-4-Defense-Set_FD-03922.html

It all sounds good in theory but it's not gonna work for us at this moment. First off the cover 4 drops the linebackers in the middle zones of the coverage. How are we supposed to generate a pass rush without a blitz? Use a safety who would be covering the deep middle? Right now we can't afford to be relying on a four man rush and having our defenders reading the shifts to know their assignments. If you can generate a four man pass rush then you can take chances. Didn't we learn anything with Mark and his safety over the top help???

 

[StrongArm517]

just got done watching the pod casts on OWH. Staff is trying everything to instill confidence, experiment with schemes, personnel. Used a cover 6 at times against USM, Banker commented. Be grateful,
...remember "THE SCHEMES ARE SOUND" and "WE JUST DIDN'T MAKE THE PLAYS!"

Hearing those lines over and over gave me a headache. This staff is hardworking, openminded, and willing to adjust.

 

[Nebraska Fan]

I think we go down this road when we have coaches enamored with thought of the NFL. College players can practically maul the receiver and guys like Warren coach to NCAA rules and do better vs guys who dream of the NFL.

 

[Nebraska Gator II]

I say let Banker and Riley play the defense they want to play. They watch the kid's practice and know what they can and can't do. And this jam philosophy starts and ends with pressure on the quarterback. That was Charlie's MO with his revamped 4-3. Why do you think we ate Pro-style quarterbacks for lunch all them years??? Because our rush was gonna get your quarterback before our DB's were finished beating up your recievers. Simple as that.

Nebraska's only chance to improve their pass defense is to be physical at the line of scrimmage like another poster indicated. If you are trying to get to the QB, you cannot give the WR's a free release--where you are basically chasing the WR. A good physical corner can stay with the receiver and get him way behind in his route...allowing the rush/blitz that extra little bit of time to get to the QB.

The frustrating part of watching Banker so far...is he seems to be missing the point. Blitzing when your corners cannot cover for even a second is never going to be effective.

 

[red rover 70]

Nebraska's only chance to improve their pass defense is to be physical at the line of scrimmage like another poster indicated. If you are trying to get to the QB, you cannot give the WR's a free release--where you are basically chasing the WR. A good physical corner can stay with the receiver and get him way behind in his route...allowing the rush/blitz that extra little bit of time to get to the QB.

The frustrating part of watching Banker so far...is he seems to be missing the point. Blitzing when your corners cannot cover for even a second is never going to be effective.

It's like you guys want us to fail. Pressuring the recievers without a defense line capable of getting to the quarterback is lunacy. But i do have some good news. We won't have to worry about this debate. What Banker has been doing will work just fine against power based offenses who will run first and pass second. I expect our defense numbers to drastically improve.

 

[Nebraska Gator II]

It's like you guys want us to fail. Pressuring the recievers without a defense line capable of getting to the quarterback is lunacy. But i do have some good news. We won't have to worry about this debate. What Banker has been doing will work just fine against power based offenses who will run first and pass second. I expect our defense numbers to drastically improve.

No, I am talking about when Nebraska blitzes and then don't play physical and bump the WR--you end up having the worst pass defense in college football.

If you are talking about just trying to get pressure with your front 4...that is something different. Even then, if you have help over the top, you would want to play physical at the line.

 

[arf_man]

No, I am talking about when Nebraska blitzes and then don't play physical and bump the WR--you end up having the worst pass defense in college football.

If you are talking about just trying to get pressure with your front 4...that is something different. Even then, if you have help over the top, you would want to play physical at the line.

Basically, if we are sending men to pressure the QB, corners should disrupt routes a bit. As the season goes on and we figure out where we are getting pressure on the QB. At that point we should notice more contact by the DB's. Then we can revisit the conversation as I've come to understand this thread. Nice thread BTY. good discussion. No personal pissing contests is rare on this board in good threads.

 

[huskerfan1414]

Red rover...have to disagree here. By jamming, you give the rush more time to get there. We get beat as it is. What we are doing isn't working. Yeah I want better pass rush too but we have to adjust to what we have. Chasing receivers hasn't worked. Let em get nasty and try to re direct routes and mess with their timing.

 

[Tulsa Tom]

There is no way to know if we have a pass rush or not. When the qb throws to the first receiver he looks at you could have the '95 dline and it wouldn't matter one bit.

Jam the receiver and throw them off the route. This junk Banker is giving us is ridiculous.

 

[rrthusker]

I always thought if you jam the receiver, you are susceptible to the long pass if you get beat. I guess we get beat doing the opposite. Something's got to give in the secondary.

Well jamming a receiver requires our CB to make contact within 5 yards of the LOS. That has not been happening despite lining up 3 yards off the LOS.
Receivers are running right by our guys and as long as that happens we will get torched.

 

[red rover 70]

Well jamming a receiver requires our CB to make contact within 5 yards of the LOS. That has not been happening despite lining up 3 yards off the LOS.
Receivers are running right by our guys and as long as that happens we will get torched.

I trust your judgement. I agree we should jam them while they are within the legal zone. But playing press coverage is extremely risky business right now for us. What do you think?

 

[frankluv]

Get some PASS RUSHERS

 

[red rover 70]

There is no way to know if we have a pass rush or not. When the qb throws to the first receiver he looks at you could have the '95 dline and it wouldn't matter one bit.

Jam the receiver and throw them off the route. This junk Banker is giving us is ridiculous.

I think it's a bait move to expose a weakness and Banker and staff aren't biting.

 

[frankluv]

Seems to me that the QB's have a lot of time and do not have to even worry about getting hit. JMO

 

[GretnaShawn]

Seems to me that the QB's have a lot of time and do not have to even worry about getting hit. JMO

This is the main problem with the pass defense. There is no rush because there are no rush ends on the roster.

No pressure on the QB makes it close to impossible to cover well.

 

[frankluv]

I trust your judgement. I agree we should jam them while they are within the legal zone. But playing press coverage is extremely risky business right now for us. What do you think?

At least, jam every now and then. Keep them guessing.

 

[CBloody7]

Stop watching that show when Blake Lawrence became a regular. What a clown.

 

[Soda Popinski]

I actually watched big red wrap up this week for the first time in a while. It was odd not seeing Adrian Fiala; definitely miss that guy. The point that Sean Callahan made about better disguising our coverage was correct. It doesn't make much difference at this level what defense you play; if the average college QB can easily diagnose the coverage and blitz package, you'll be in for a long day.

 

[nufaninouland]

I think it's a bait move to expose a weakness and Banker and staff aren't biting.

So if we do something else we can do worse than last in the nation?

 

[red rover 70]

I actually watched big red wrap up this week for the first time in a while. It was odd not seeing Adrian Fiala; definitely miss that guy. The point that Sean Callahan made about better disguising our coverage was correct. It doesn't make much difference at this level what defense you play; if the average college QB can easily diagnose the coverage and blitz package, you'll be in for a long day.

I miss John Melton when he was on Big Red Wrap Up. He always played the straight man with his dry humor. And who can forget the Fox! Now he was a character!!!

 

[meo1960]

I coached FB for a long time...if your playing man coverage the best way to protect a corner is to have them play physical at the LOS rather that play off and give the WR space to make the DB look foolish. Defense 101.

And from a receivers point of view, you want his mind occupied with having to fend off a db, right out of the gate. If you let a receiver run untouched, makes their life much easier.

 

[leodisflowers]

Stop watching that show when Blake Lawrence became a regular. What a clown.

Kevin Kuglar isn't my favorite either.

 

[JohnRossEwing]

So if we do something else we can do worse than last in the nation?

Ha!

 

[CC_Lemming]

If our DB's are slow to react five yards off imagine them playing bump and run??? Instead of being concerned about the yards given up we'd be discussing the 100 ppg debacle.

The idea is that you knock the receiver off his route and disrupt his momentum too?

I don't find it surprising they are slow to react five yards off as the receiver is at a full sprint and the DB must back peddle or turn his hips to keep up. Advantage the guy running a fly route at full speed, every time.

I, unlike a lot of fans (not including you here), think the coaches are probably competent and have reasons for not playing tighter. I'm just not sure what those reasons are.

Edit: After reading the rest of the thread I can see your rationale re: lack of pass rush. The thing is, the coverage has been so bad, why not change it up? Maybe this strategy really was devised for BIG and we'll see it bear fruit beginning this week. We can hope...