I agree that our recruiting needs to improve… Harbaugh is a huge name that immediately brings in recruits. Riley is not. But that doesn't mean he can't recruit… His recruiting will come from the relationships that he makes. It may not show right away but the hope is that it will show overtime. Absolutely recruiting needs to improve. If it doesn't we will be looking for a new coach.
Alabama record in Nick Saban's first year?
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Mike Shula came into 'Bama while they were under NCAA probation. Alabama and Mike Shula were weakened because of those NCAA santions. Bo didn't have to deal with any of that. But I guess you're right, Bo would beat a sanctioned Mike Shula team 3 out of Shula's 4 years.
This is what I love to see. I have seen these irrelevant arguments you are trying to thrust into this conversation. Dan Hawkins was the coach at Boise State. Regardless of what you want to think, they were in a crap conference that play maybe one good team a year from a power 5 conference. His teams were facing programs that would make Nebraska look like the 85 bears every weak. He goes to a program depleted of talent and money and loses. And you try and use that as an example to make a point.
Look what Bo did with the talent Callahan left him... Had the best defense in 2009 and another great defense in 2010. We make a big deal about the Callahan era and how that ended. But we were not low on talent. Far from it.
Our current team has a lot of talent. It just lacks depth in areas. The arguments you are making are no different then the ones who claim we don't need to have high ranked classes because KSU is winning with poor classes. The examples you are using are the exception, not the norm.
Auburn was loaded with Talent before Gene Chizik took over and he payed to land the best JUCO in the nation. He also had one of the best OC in the nation that year. So yeah. He did great. Again, that is the exception not the norm. You are cherry picking special cases to attempt to be smarter then you truly are. That isn't an insult. But you will have to do better then a few cases.
In order to win we need to recruit at a high level. I believe Riley is a damn good coach. But that will not matter if he can't bring in top players. Regardless of what anyone believes, Tom Osborne brought in top 10 classes. Callahan brought in great classes. It can be done.
Riley is a big name now. Remember he has "great national perception". No, he isn't as big of a name as Harbaugh, but one could make a case that Riley is easily a bigger name then Franklin and he is bringing in very good classes and they were under impossible sanctions.
Riley will not have to much time to get it done. Fans are very restless and frustrated. The band aid won't cover the wound long. Riley has to win year one (8 win minimum) and show great improvement next year. Regardless and I can not stress this enough....... Recruiting must get better fast or then will be a short stint with Riley. Riley is a good coach. But X's and O's are not enough. It takes a lot of talent a coaching to get it done period. Right now we have one side of the coin.
That's my point! Hawkins is an irrelevant argument, just as arguing that Riley was .500 at Oregon state and won't depart from that at Nebraska. Why do people think this? If he is such a good coach, he will far exceed .500 at Nebraska. His record at Oregon state is irrelevant to how he will do at Nebraska, in my opinion. The talent level is higher here and will only improve. If it doesn't, he won't last. Simple as that.
I get the negative thing. I made so many negative comments the last two years about the previous coaching staff that the people running this site did the worst thing they could do to me... they banned all my previous comments!!!! Now that hurts. LOL
But seriously. I believe that Riley deserves a chance to prove himself. If I really believe that, and I do, then I can't be negative at this point because that would mean that I never really gave him a chance. He deserves a chance.
Assuming failure is not appropriate at this point. So in my mind I will watch with a graduating scale of responsibility. I gave the new staff a pass on the first game. The next game I will hold them 10% responsible for the teams performance. The game after that 20%. The game after that 30% ... until I get to 100%. Next year it will be 100% starting with the first game. I do not believe it takes very long to see and judge the performance of a new coaching staff. The time will quickly come when Riley will have a body of work here to be judged by. If the comments we've been reading the last few days are any indication there will be plenty of people willing to make that judgment.
Until then I am 100% behind our players and coaches. They all really, really want to succeed.
Why focus on numbers here so much? I'm certainly not sold here with Riley but I'm not going to throw a fit because his record at Oregon State wasn't what Pelinis record was at Nebraska. There are differences between the two, mainly one being Nebraska and the other being Oregon State. Riley didn't exactly have a ton to work with out there, not nearly what he has at Nebraska. Pelini had more than enough resources yet he was sitting at a stale 9 win record on a consistent basis and no big wins to mark off as a highpoint in his career at Nebraska. Riley on the other hand has won a big game or two at Oregon State. The most notable win he has is over that 2008 Pete Carroll coached USC team that had the #2 defense that season. Oregon State was their only loss that year and killed their shot at the title. It's not the first time his team beat USC either, he beat at the time #2 USC (finished #4). So he's had some bad seasons at Oregon State, I get that people cant see past that but it's certainly no indicator of how he'll turn out here. I guess a better question on Saban would be what his record was before LSU hired him? It certainly wasn't championship level by any means but he got his shot and did well at LSU. I think it's only fair to let things play out some and see where they land, many coaches who do well today were surprises.
Your responses sound like the professional response team Bo used to bootjack the dissenters. There was always an excuse. And the "you better not fire him or else" comment when the excuses fell on deaf ears. "He sucks worse" we were told along with "that guy will never come here". Very few positives in your comments but a whole lot of negatives. And where have i heard that before.
I don't really care what you think. You babble on about irrelevant statements. Your little "Husker fan test" was as cute as it was childish. I graduated from UNL in 2008. I don't really care where Tom Osborne jogged or where him and his wife celebrated his first national championship. That was 21 years ago. I was 8.
That is completely irrelevant to any statement you made. You just tried to compare our Situation to that of Alabama in 2007. They fired Mike Shula and hired Nick Saban. Then say Sadan went 7-6 his first year at Alabama. While I get it that you are trying to pump sunshine around, you need to realize Mike Riley is no Nick Saban.
Nick Saban won a few conference championships and a national title at LSU. Riley has done no such thing.
You say I am being negative with very few positives. Ok? Let me give you some good positives about Riley.
Mike Riley is a good coach. I loved our offense against BYU. I see the vision he is going for and I think we can win with what he is doing. Again, it's just one game, but the way he has molded his offense to fit the players has surprised me greatly. I doubted it could be done. But Tommy did fantastic and is far improved from last year.
But I question if Riley has the ability to take us to conference championships and get us a playoff spot. I question if he will ever do better then Bo Pelini. It doesn't take a Scientist To see our recruiting is suspect at best. Spare me the star argument. You won't win.
Riley is a good guy and a good coach. But he has many questions that need answered. But comparing Riley to Saban is a complete joke.
Very interesting.
So Nebraska won it first National Championship 21 years ago??? What Nebraska fan wouldn't know our first title came in 1970. Tom was the Offensive Coordinator for our Championship team. And by the way the answer was... ride the elevator up and down in the teams hotel.
We went out and hired the coach with a .500 record. Bama hired the guy that won a NC.
So last year, who was on the market that had a NC under his belt?
There's no one that I can recall, except Jim Tressel, if he was ever even in the football coaching market. After the fact, we know that he was not, even if the U of N was maybe willing to get around the sanctions issue with him. Based on the results of just this board, half or maybe more of the fanbase wouldn't have been for it.
The 2nd closest would maybe have been Stoops, who is trending towards "this guy can't get it done" at OU per their fan base.
A fair number of us were willing to take flyers on a Jim McElwain, or a Scott Frost or a Kirby Smart. None of whom have national championships as head coaches, or who were even head coaches period (Note that Smart got his the same way our Beloved Pelini got his). Lesser known names would have been someone like Hudspeth, whom I would have been perfectly happy with, but is another name that wouldn't satisfy the "we must hire Urban Meyer's equivalent" crowd.
I would say that yes ideally, you'd want a guy that has a national championship and multiple conference championships to come here, but looking at who was available (and yes that includes Briles and Patterson), none of the handful of guys that met that criteria were even for sale at that point in time. You would think certainly that if that caliber coach had been available in the last couple years, UT would have done better than Strong (a pretty big name coach himself).
So last year, who was on the market that had a NC under his belt?
There's no one that I can recall, except Jim Tressel, if he was ever even in the football coaching market. After the fact, we know that he was not, even if the U of N was maybe willing to get around the sanctions issue with him. Based on the results of just this board, half or maybe more of the fanbase wouldn't have been for it.
The 2nd closest would maybe have been Stoops, who is trending towards "this guy can't get it done" at OU per their fan base.
A fair number of us were willing to take flyers on a Jim McElwain, or a Scott Frost or a Kirby Smart. None of whom have national championships as head coaches, or who were even head coaches period (Note that Smart got his the same way our Beloved Pelini got his). Lesser known names would have been someone like Hudspeth, whom I would have been perfectly happy with, but is another name that wouldn't satisfy the "we must hire Urban Meyer's equivalent" crowd.
I would say that yes ideally, you'd want a guy that has a national championship and multiple conference championships to come here, but looking at who was available (and yes that includes Briles and Patterson), none of the handful of guys that met that criteria were even for sale at that point in time. You would think certainly that if that caliber coach had been available in the last couple years, UT would have done better than Strong (a pretty big name coach himself).
Full disclosure...
I was the lead conductor of the Jim Tressel to Lincoln train.
After looking at all the information Mike Riley is a damn near perfect fit for Nebraska. And i fully expect him to put us in a position to be successful. Will there be bumps in the road... yes. But even Saban needed a year to transition.
Your an idiot. Bob won the first national championship. Not Tom. So again stop. You look foolish. Second the 1970's are irrelevant. The 1990's are irrelevant. Your entire argument about our situation being like Alabama is a joke. Two completely different scenarios. No body cares about what we did 20 years ago and 40 years ago. Those days are gone.
Your test, your little Husker fan test is a joke. No one cares if Tom Osborne went up and down an elevator To celebrate a national championship. That has zero implication min someone's fanatical sense of any sports team.
So what was your other username Mr Bobot? Or are you some Iowa fan with zero reading comprehension skills? Whatever it is you're obviously a fraud. So tell us again how Bo was a good coach... that part had me in stitches!
LOL he wasn't.But please.... tell us how Riley is a better coach.So what was your other username Mr Bobot? Or are you some Iowa fan with zero reading comprehension skills? Whatever it is you're obviously a fraud. So tell us again how Bo was a good coach... that part had me in stitches!
Ok.
First off he has had to win games at one of the worst programs this side of Kansas State. Secondly, he still won over half his games. That right there makes him a better head coach. Bo had everything a coach could want and yet he pissed it away because that's what bipolar people do. Riley has TWO Grey Cups. Bo has a whale trophy. Riley was sought after by ALABAMA and USC. Bo was flushed down the toilet like the turd by his very own Buckeyes. Do i need to go on???
Yes you do need to go on. USC and Alabama approached Riley when he had 2 good seasons at OSU. You make it seem like they offered him the job. They didn't. Secondly, grey cups mean diddle. It's Canadian football league. They are below college level. It is worse then Arena league. You haven't given or set forth any indication that would lead one to believe Riley will do better then Bo.
The only thing you are right about is Bo pissing his chance away. KSU has won 4 Big 12 title. They have also won 2 recently. Riley never even won a divisional title while at OSU. Bo Pelini won 3. That right there proves Bo Pelini is a better coach..... ( sarcasm). See doesn't mean anything. Anyone can make a ridiculous statement. Is Riley a better X and O coach? Maybe. But he is still a .500, and his recruiting like it or not leaves a lot to be desired. We won't get far or get to the level we want with low rated 3 star players. Find me one Nation Championship who didn't have solid top 10-15 classes leading up to that championship. You won't, because it doesn't exist.
I said name a team that won a national championship that didn't have top classes (top 10-15) yearly coming in. Ask Tom Lemming when he was running prep recruiting how Nebraska recruited. We were bring in top 5 classes. Including the top class in the nation in 1996 along with d'Angelo Evans The nation's top recruit.
This is to easy lol
You keep trying to judge Riley solely on what he did at Oregon State when compared to Nebraska. It's better to compare OSU to schools like New Mexico State, only a New Mexico State team that plays in a conference comparable to the Big 10. Oregon State is a HORRIBLE college town and the fact that he turned that program into a perennial bowl contender is an impressive feat. You can write off his success in the CFL and in Corvallis all you want, but he was considered a good enough coach that the NFL came calling, despite a less than stellar W-L record. He may not have done a great job record wise there either, but the thing about Riley is that he tends to be the guy struggling programs turn to.
As for recruiting, the best years of Oregon State's history were accomplished with his players. He's coached some of the best wide receivers and running backs in football (judging on their pro careers.) and he and his staff are all regarded as guys who managed to get talent to OSU despite it being a dump. I'm not saying he's 100% going to be the savior, but you judging him entirely based on a comparison of Oregon State and Nebraska is mind numbingly stupid. The two schools are not on even footing.
Nebraska has never been the darling of the national recruiting scene. First off we recruited the small town Nebraska kid who wasn't on the national radar till we targeted them. This all but killed or ranking but that wasn't the priority. We recruited the kid not the star. Tom and his staff knew what they wanted and recruited accordingly. There are posters with better knowledge of the recruiting scene like newAD or HTO. They can go in-depth far better then i can.
And this is a Rivals site... is it not?
And this is a Rivals site... is it not?
Tom and his staff actually recruited the kid. They weren't interested solely on stars and rankings. Now look at Bo. He would rather sit in his car on a Saturday afternoon and recruit. So Bo came up with the now infamous "we make our own stars" comment to cover for his lazy ass. Look at where we are now cause of him and his false bravado??? I'm still on my knees thanking 8 pound 6 ounce baby Jesus that he's gone!
Just let him do his thing, bshirt. He obviously is proud of completing his first, ever book-readin'. And that book was obviously a Nebraska Football-related book. The facts he asked you to recall have nothing to so with being knowledgeable on the subject of NU or college football as a whole.
To say Nebraska didn't have top 5 classes coming in during our reign as a premier if not THE BEST college football program during that time frame is so very, very laughable.
Here's to us beating Southern Al. Gbr
now you are just lying to yourself.Nebraska has never been the darling of the national recruiting scene. First off we recruited the small town Nebraska kid who wasn't on the national radar till we targeted them. This all but killed or ranking but that wasn't the priority. We recruited the kid not the star. Tom and his staff knew what they wanted and recruited accordingly. There are posters with better knowledge of the recruiting scene like newAD or HTO. They can go in-depth far better then i can.
And this is a Rivals site... is it not?
It's hard to take you seriously when you say NU won't win 5 games this year then get called out on it when someone offers you to put your money where your mouth is and you go in hiding.
Per Lemming...NU was only ranked in his top 10 for recruiting once from 93-97. No top 5's. He ranked us 8th in 96'. Trying to find his rankings pre-96.
Man, some of you really are tough guys. I didn't go into hiding. I check the board, at best, three times a week, as much of the conversations devolve into this bro-style machismo.
I said Nebraska might go 5-7. I still believe that. How do I put my money where my mouth is if I lose? i live in Wisconsin. Am I supposed to transfer the money via pay-pal? Doesn't seem very dignified or manly, bro.
So in essence, what you're telling me I can't make a prediction or forecast unless I make a monetary bet? Are you one of those dudes who constantly tells people to put their money where their mouths are?
Do you have a gambling problem or something?
Do you have Lemmings rankings for 90-92? I have no idea what those are, nor so I care to go make an attempt at researching them at the moment. To me, those classes are more important for the 94-95 NCs reasoning.
Your exact quote was "Nebraska won't win 5 games this year." Now you are backpeddling? Typical. Hell, you may be right....doesn't change the fact you went running as soon as someone called you out on it. Again, typical. No you don't have to bet money if you are afraid to do so. But you could have countered his offer. But you didn't. Probably because you know it's not likely that NU wins 4 or less games.
I could not find Lemmings rankings in those time periods. In 90 Wallace had us with the 10th best class. 91 he had us 28. In 92 the class was ranked anywhere from 5 to 14.
I'm right here. Not running. And I'm not back-peddling, as much as you like to use that term. Typical.
And why do you care so very much if I believe Nebraska might go 4-8 or 5-7 this year? Why does that result in one demanding I place a bet?
Seriously, do you have a gambling problem?
What is that we're arguing here anyways? That Nebraska won with less than top 10 recruiting classes back in the 90s? That may very well be or was the case, but I don't see what this has to so with our current situation.
I'm sure someone here knows this stat by heart, but how many teams, post 1999, have won a NC with an average and greater than Top 10 recruiting classes?
Nebraska made a living coaching up 2 to 3 star kids. They would finish their careers being all conference picks over other teams 4 and 5 star rock stars.
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