Time for MR and staff to put up or shut up. Almost a complete overhaul of the staff the past couple of years. We''ll see if this pays off. I hope it does.
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Nah, I'm ready to give this staff another five years. They are actually making good changes and putting in the work on the recruiting trail. This is in stark contrast to what Bo did. We still have two of Bo's half-assed recruiting classes to work with.
I'm willing to give him seven years plus a number of scandals.
I would have to say..anything less than 10 wins next year would be a big disappointment.
What a ridiculous post. His first full recruiting class will be redshirt freshman next year... and the previous regime sucked at recruiting
Id be ok with them paying players as long as they get them to NC contender again. NCAA has shown they are spineless.
well you're setting yourself up to be disappointed then.
Rubber meets the road in 2017. Injuries and depth at some spots could derail things a bit, but I hope like hell whatever losses Nebraska incurs, they won't be blowouts. Should be a fun season coming up.
Not at all. Losses to OSU and maybe to PSU and Oregon during the regular season. That's 9 wins if we lose all 3 of those, which wet shouldn't. We had better win every other game, and 50-50 on the bowl game. Our defense will be improved from the 1st game on.
i think you really overestimate the talent of our upperclassmen
We'll be improved on both lines, and our defense will be improved from the outset. Our passing will be light years ahead of last year, and I think our running game will be more physical.
I wish it was as easy as you make it sound to compete and win against teams like Wisconsin, Iowa, Northwestern, etc.. unfortunately I don't think it is. I obviously hope and plan on that being the case but just don't think it is that easy. Not to mention when you have a brand new defense you're rolling out for the first year.
Hope you are right.., but the team will be young. Go back and look at the 2013&2014 recruiting classes and I think it will be pretty evident that there will be almost no depth
As long as we continue to keep swinging for the fences, I'll give them time. The moves in the coaching staff have been refreshing.
I would argue the 2017 offensive line will have the most depth and talent they've had in a decade.
Gates - LT
Knevel - LT
Foster- LG
Wilson - LG
Raridon - C
Decker- Center
Farmer- RG
Barnett - RG
Farniok - RT
Conrad - RT
Injuries obviously happen, but this could be the starting offensive line for the next 25+ games. This would also 5 starters who were 4 Star recruit on one of sites. Raridon and Farmer were top 250 recruits by Rivals. Gates was an ESPn100 player. Farniok and Foster were Army All Americans with numerous Power 5 offers to high level programs.
Tim Miles doesn't like to hear this kinda thinking. He's on Year 5 and still at the bottom of the conference.
What?
I didn't realize Mike Riley was at the bottom of the conference in year two... oh wait, he's not!
Or are you suggesting that he will be when year 5 rolls around? Either way, this was kind of a dumb post. But not as dumb as Blackhusker's post... his are always dumb.
I see a starting LT that should be playing guard, a RS freshman center and a RS freshman RT. There may be some potential in that group, but right now we have mostly question marks.
I think last years line was easily the worst I have ever see at nebraska, so hopefully the loss of Utter and the emergence of the freshman class will lead to some improvements.
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I wouldn't put much creedence into what this particular "Husker" fan says. He has been VERY upset the last 27 months or so.
Easy there sparky don't get your panties in a bunch. It was making fun of the OP for saying Year 3 was a make or break year for Riley. Time to put up or shut up in the OP's eyes. Yet Riley is still straddled with a Roster that has not recovered from Pelini's incompetence in roster management.
"Time for MR and staff to put up or shut up. Almost a complete overhaul of the staff the past couple of years. We''ll see if this pays off. I hope it does."
Riley closed hard on the incoming class , fired two long time assistants and upgraded with their replacements and the lead post is next year no excuses? No good deed ... screw that, what have you done for me in the past minute!
Some of you need to work on basic human to human skills. Riley has this year and then an absolutely brutal schedule the next when his recruits are mostly grown. Unless the wheels fall off the bus, he's with us until after the 2019 season.
Some of you need to work on basic human to human skills. Riley has this year and then an absolutely brutal schedule the next when his recruits are mostly grown. Unless the wheels fall off the bus, he's with us until after the 2019 season.
You are probably not wrong on him having time. However, giving him credit for firing guys he hired is kind of ridiculous. He is not a first time HC making rookie mistakes. A veteran coach shouldn't have to "upgrade"...they should be replacing as guys gett hired away for bigger jobs.
A coach at this stage shouldn't get credit for bad hires...they should be held accountable for them. The fix really should mean produce results now or you (Riley) are not the guy.
I'm willing to give him at least 6 years and multiple losing seasons. This team is young and the schedules are tough. Plus the referees are partial to every one of our opponents and the league is trying to stick it to us at any opportunity.
OL, DL, and qb will be improved, isnt that obvious?
Secondary should be the same or better id think..
Toxic players out. Year three.
WR will be worse
RB should be a wash id think and you never know with bryant and a healthy Oz..
..linebackers? Im not sure.
While its a new system i think we can all agree that diaco is better than banker and new defense is at least easier to learn than new offense. Im not saying we will see vast improvement in year one but we wont see a drop off either, and frankly we dont need to be world beaters there to simply be a better team. We arent talking NC.
Based on the above i see no reason why we wont see improvement next season. Theres reason for optimism. I dont understand peoples low expectations.
Ten wins will equal a top ten recruiting class.
Secondary should be the same or better id think..
Toxic players out. Year three.
WR will be worse
RB should be a wash id think and you never know with bryant and a healthy Oz..
..linebackers? Im not sure.
While its a new system i think we can all agree that diaco is better than banker and new defense is at least easier to learn than new offense. Im not saying we will see vast improvement in year one but we wont see a drop off either, and frankly we dont need to be world beaters there to simply be a better team. We arent talking NC.
Based on the above i see no reason why we wont see improvement next season. Theres reason for optimism. I dont understand peoples low expectations.
Ten wins will equal a top ten recruiting class.
Holy sheet, a Michigan dude hanging around trying to tell us how things go?!? GMAFB.
Well, let me fill you in case you missed it, MANY posters here claimed Riley just hired his buddies and wouldn't fire them when or if the time came. So ya, him firing 3 assistants in 2 seasons deserves kudos, regardless if you think it's a rookie mistake - which I strongly disagree with.
Worry about your creepy, sleep with high school kids head coach who hasn't win sheet at Michigan. He's Meyers bitch, and I enjoy every single second of it. $6M for 10-3 results, lulz.
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anon_umk0ifu6vj6zi
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Rattled? Please. I know I should be with your 13 years of posting experience on the Rivals free board. However, as luck would have it, self promoting message board heros really don't rattle me.
I always enjoy playing Devil's Advocate when it's warranted. In this case it's not.
They've got 6 returning linemen who have started games, and they're replacing the Worst center in the Big Ten with a top 100 player.
It will be the most improved unit on the team in 2017. And I agree Gates should be a Guard. He will play Guard in the NFL. But he's still a strength at Tackle.
Everyone is terrified of that 2018 schedule, and things could change a lot with injuries or unexpected departures, but I think it's conceivable that team could go into 2018 with 19 returning starters, including 10 on offense.
What we'll have returning on the 2018 OL alone will be experience we haven't had since _____? Not to mention the talent level with that position group. Heck, our DL will return plenty of damn good experience as well come 2018. I just hope we can hang on to Diaco for 2 full seasons.
I don't know how we'll do this coming year, but hopefully, there won't be a need for excuses. Will we win a conference championship this year, I'm not counting on it. It's been a dang long time since we've won one, is it reasonable to demand it at this point in time.
From what I've read about Diaco, he's a high expectations guy. Expectin' the best out of someone should yield greater results than just practicing. We'll have 5 games to work the kinks out, and then the schedule starts to toughen up a bit.
From what I've read about Diaco, he's a high expectations guy. Expectin' the best out of someone should yield greater results than just practicing. We'll have 5 games to work the kinks out, and then the schedule starts to toughen up a bit.
On defense, I look at the fact that we will finally have some players that will create a pass rush off the edge. If there is one thing we have an abundance of, it's OLBs. Our depth up front will be a little suspect, but another year for the youngins' will bring additional strength and improvement. Plus, having gap integrity at LB will be the biggest plus of the entire defense. Banker sucked at having the LBs mesh with the DLine, and that will improve almost overnight.
I'd like to believe that the program is just in a high gear, where it takes a tremendous amount of effort to get the wheel going. We have seen a terrible first year, followed by a decent second year. Thankfully, many of the terrifying problems we saw in year one (clock and game management concerns), did not show up in year two. We saw a massive recruiting effort, which did not return quite what it should have, but is an improvement none the less. (see the first part about getting the wheel going)
We also saw the firing of coaches, a reboot if you will on defense and special teams. Offensively it's a reboot due to personnel. Where does that really leave us? We have to start seeing some improvement. I've always thought that the first two years under Riley would be just wasted years, adding to the championship drought and kicking the program's can down the road until we had the right players to run his system.
At least that extended vacation is over now.
I also feel that the program is now in different hands. True or not, it appears to me that the program is actively being managed by AD Shawn Eichorst. This is not necessarily a bad thing, (see Barry Alvarez at Wisconsin). But it is through that filter that I now asses what is going on with the program.
So to me, it has nothing to do at all about giving Riley four, five, or even six more years. I believe Riley's role is more focused about the day to day management, and that could very well be a good thing. The chess game is being played by the AD and is where my eyes turn in evaluating the overall direction of the program.
We should start seeing things tick up. Even if only modestly like the recruiting results, there should be an improvement. We could even see a good bump in the results. I do think the offseason is going to be very important to develop so many players. More work has to be done to get and keep that big wheel moving until it starts generating it's own momentum. I'd like people to temper their enthusiasm, but I know that is not going to happen. This offseason, the rose colored glasses will be at least two shades darker. I just hope that it doesn't result in increased strife when trying to balance the checkbook between expectations and reality.
We also saw the firing of coaches, a reboot if you will on defense and special teams. Offensively it's a reboot due to personnel. Where does that really leave us? We have to start seeing some improvement. I've always thought that the first two years under Riley would be just wasted years, adding to the championship drought and kicking the program's can down the road until we had the right players to run his system.
At least that extended vacation is over now.
I also feel that the program is now in different hands. True or not, it appears to me that the program is actively being managed by AD Shawn Eichorst. This is not necessarily a bad thing, (see Barry Alvarez at Wisconsin). But it is through that filter that I now asses what is going on with the program.
So to me, it has nothing to do at all about giving Riley four, five, or even six more years. I believe Riley's role is more focused about the day to day management, and that could very well be a good thing. The chess game is being played by the AD and is where my eyes turn in evaluating the overall direction of the program.
We should start seeing things tick up. Even if only modestly like the recruiting results, there should be an improvement. We could even see a good bump in the results. I do think the offseason is going to be very important to develop so many players. More work has to be done to get and keep that big wheel moving until it starts generating it's own momentum. I'd like people to temper their enthusiasm, but I know that is not going to happen. This offseason, the rose colored glasses will be at least two shades darker. I just hope that it doesn't result in increased strife when trying to balance the checkbook between expectations and reality.
Why is it commonly accepted here that coaching "moves," which is to say, "firings/hires," is a good thing. Most of our moves are due to the fact that the original cast never should've been at Nebraska in the first place.
And I do like us swinging for the fences - just not a fan of doing so and ending up with a .225 average. I love the class we ended with. But, let's not act as if we just signed a top 10 class here. This last class falls really close to Riley's predecessor's average over his years here.
Let's try to look on the bright side for a moment.
If we assume Oregon has fallen off and will have a tough time changing the ship and Nebraska gets a win on the road, it's definitely within reason that the team can start out 6-0 building a ton of momentum along the way and maybe even a rise to the top 10 with mighty Ohio State coming to town.
If the pieces come together, next year could be a huge one in terms of building momentum which could last a few years.
If we assume Oregon has fallen off and will have a tough time changing the ship and Nebraska gets a win on the road, it's definitely within reason that the team can start out 6-0 building a ton of momentum along the way and maybe even a rise to the top 10 with mighty Ohio State coming to town.
If the pieces come together, next year could be a huge one in terms of building momentum which could last a few years.
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