Just scrolling through... has anyone mentioned it was an armed citizen and not police that stopped this man?
27 dead in a Texas shooting
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Follow that with, if the United States air force would have told the Pentagon about his dishonorable discharge he would not have been able to purchase the gun.... in other words don't trust the gov for shiz.
The only reason people bring up mental health reform is to simply change the subject from gun control. If they really believed there was a mental health issue, there would be a move to provide funding. It pisses me off when gun toting congressmen and presidents cry out, "It's not a gun issue...it's a mental health issue" and then proceed to cut mental health services to the bare bones.
Their a bunch of snowflake, spaghetti-back, false martyr (Wahhhhhhhh! We are so persecuted) hypocrites.
Saying that we shouldn't make laws because people will break them is plain silly. Tell me, has there ever been a law made that people do not break? Creating restrictions will create a black market for guns! Tell me, what black market exists that we shouldn't have made possible by making it illegal (okay, possibly marijuana). Child pornography? Ivory? Human organs? Only criminals will have guns! Wrong, police and the military will still have military-grade guns, and private citizens will still have non-military grade guns. Having military-grade guns should be illegal for the same reason it is illegal to possess bombs, mustard gas, and bazookas.
You’re trying to connect people’s desires to limit high capacity mass destruction weapons with removing all guns. They aren’t the same. Thank God the gun carrying man stopped the lunatic. He didn’t require an assault rifle to do it.
I believe many take issue to gun control advocates because some may take offense that they are somehow being lumped in with the irresponsible ones. No one is accusing you of being irresponsible or that you don’t have the right to hunt or protect yourself. But if we as a nation could make it harder for the mentally challenged to buy these mass destruction weapons, that should be a good thing.
You’ve sacrificed the rights to own bombs and tanks. Why is this one so hard to give up?
You lost me at "high capacity mass destruction weapons" FWIW the ar15 is the best platform for prairie dog shooting you can buy IMO.
The UNITED STATES AIR FORCE IS IN DEEP $HIT FOR NOT REPORTING THIS MAN TO THE PENTAGON FOR A DISHONARBLE DUSCHARGE THAT WOULD HAVE MADE IT ILLEGAL FOR HIM TO PURCHASE THAT GUN...... THESE ARE THE PEOPLE YOU WANT TO TRUST.
The UNITED STATES AIR FORCE IS IN DEEP $HIT FOR NOT REPORTING THIS MAN TO THE PENTAGON FOR A DISHONARBLE DUSCHARGE THAT WOULD HAVE MADE IT ILLEGAL FOR HIM TO PURCHASE THAT GUN...... THESE ARE THE PEOPLE YOU WANT TO TRUST.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.nytimes.com/2017/11/06/us/texas-shooting-church.amp.html
We don't need more gun laws we need people to respect life.
We don't need more gun laws we need people to respect life.
That's complete garbage. You don't have to agree with Kerr but anyone who loses a parent (like Steve did), spouse, or child to gun violence has more relevancy than blowhards like me on a message board. Show some respect.
P.S. Are your really saying the new weapon of choice is a vehicle and not a gun? Do you want to link how many people have been murdered by a person driving a vehicle in the U.S. versus those murdered by a person using a gun in recent years.
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Clearly you just heard that as a talking point, because it is a complete misrepresentation of what occurred.
During Obama's presidency, there was a move made to equate a social security recipient having their payments managed by a third party with being mentally defective, thereby taking away their right to own a firearm. There are plenty of reasons someone could choose to have someone manage their affairs with Social Security that don't mean they are mentally defective. The move you talk about rightly rescinded that.
But, your version makes for better misinformation.
Actually, he did. He used his own AR-15. He said he wouldn't have been able to stop him with a pistol - the lunatic was wearing a kevlar vest.
I just wish you 2nd Amendment folks could be reasoned with without circling the wagons every time there is a call for debate. I just bought an AR type rifle on Saturday, but we really need to have this discussion without the rhetoric of calling people idiots, blaming liberals in Chicago or claiming that the "guvment gonna take away muh guns." The same advice goes to the liberals. We need to close the loopholes, strengthen our background checks (how in the hell was this guy ever allowed to purchase a gun??), and create some kind of universal standards that sane people can agree on. That's why we need to talk about this.
Really great point about those opposed to gun control measures feeling upset because they think we are lumping them in with those who would do actual violence or irresponsible things. I've never picked up on that and it helps understand some of the conversations I have with people.
Can any of the 2A folks provide a logical rationale as to why mass shootings like what we see here don't happen in other countries (with more strict laws)? If--as we are so often told by you--"criminals will just get the guns anyways if we change our laws," it would stand to reason that criminals in France, England, Spain, Canda, Australia, etc... would also be getting their hands on these guns and committing these horrific mass shootings at some sort of comparable rate to that seen here. That just doesn't happen though. Why? Are Americans worse people who are more prone to violence? Is that what you think about Americans? If not, then the big variable is the guns, right?
Pretty sober and respectful discussion all the way around. I really believe there is common ground to be had if we could all just keep it civil and treat each other as people with generally similar big-picture aspirations for their family rather than some enemy opponent.
Pretty sober and respectful discussion all the way around. I really believe there is common ground to be had if we could all just keep it civil and treat each other as people with generally similar big-picture aspirations for their family rather than some enemy opponent.
Clearly you have been misled by some simplistic talking point. It is also convenient that after making several points, you ignore all but the one you think you can disprove. Since you choose to ignore everything else, I will address your one point with a statement that sums the problem up well: “It is correct to state that there is no inherent connection between being mentally ill and being dangerous,” Senator Chris Murphy said on the chamber floor at the time of the vote. “But the risk here is not just that an individual is going to buy a gun and use it themselves. The risk is that someone who can’t literally deposit their own paycheck probably can’t, or likely can’t, responsibly own and protect a gun.”
The answer to the "why doesn't it happen elsewhere" question comes down to culture and different countries value in life. Americans value work, 40 hour work week-how big is your house, what car do you have etc... That's also why certain communities are so above the national average the value of the human in those communities is very little.
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