When people draw connections to which group of people are more responsible for crime, I keep waiting for the obvious conclusion that MEN should all have extra vetting, psychological checks, background checks or not be allowed here. When is the last mass murder or terrorist situation that was executed by a female?
27 dead in a Texas shooting
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I know that wasn't your point but what I'm saying is that it's a pretty foreseeable result. What if we imposed a $1,000 tax per AR-15 bullet? Seems to me that would dry up the supply pretty quickly and price a lot of potential owners out of the market. If this guy walks into that church with a hunting rifle this is a tragedy but nowhere near the same proportion.
5 deadliest mass shooters in US history were in last 10 years.
4 of those in last 5 years.
3 in last 18 months.
2 in last 5 weeks.
4 of those in last 5 years.
3 in last 18 months.
2 in last 5 weeks.
Maybe the evil in the hearts of the people are being so stirred up by those with evil agendas and such hate for anything they don't agree with, this is the results that we are getting. The thinking, if you can call it thinking, that the people I disgaree with must be evil, immoral and unethical and so therefore I don't need to just disgaree with them but I can threaten their lives and their families. I can encourage others to attack and harm those people who disgaree with because just disagreeing isn't enough. Exposing them as wrong doesn't work, we must try to threaten them to change or be killed. Not just them but their families as well as friends, etc.
Well then this is the result that we get. People who have so much hate and so much anger built up because they keep hearing that that's the way they're supposed to think and that's the way they're supposed to act that the mental problems come out the evil in the hate in the heart Express themselves this way. Maybe all of you that can only look at the other side is this evil that must be killed maybe you can just shut up and maybe you can find some ways to find common ground and I act like people to where you can disagree without leaving the point that it's okay to eliminate the other side because they disagree with you. If that doesn't start to happen then these really will continue and it doesn't matter if you ban guns and cars and vans band forks knives and spoons people are going to find a way to kill others. So if you wanted to slow down if you want to change the trend and start acting like you have some darn sense and how you respond and how you treat others.
Well then this is the result that we get. People who have so much hate and so much anger built up because they keep hearing that that's the way they're supposed to think and that's the way they're supposed to act that the mental problems come out the evil in the hate in the heart Express themselves this way. Maybe all of you that can only look at the other side is this evil that must be killed maybe you can just shut up and maybe you can find some ways to find common ground and I act like people to where you can disagree without leaving the point that it's okay to eliminate the other side because they disagree with you. If that doesn't start to happen then these really will continue and it doesn't matter if you ban guns and cars and vans band forks knives and spoons people are going to find a way to kill others. So if you wanted to slow down if you want to change the trend and start acting like you have some darn sense and how you respond and how you treat others.
I respect your point of view and what you are trying to achieve. However, I maintain that he would be too much of a coward to go in there especially with just a rifle if he thought many of them were packing 38s
I have for that very reason advocated at my church that we should invite more conceal carry permit holders to attend our church and carry inside. I have a conceal carry permit and I guess have never felt the need to do so, but it did my heart good to see a young guy bend over to pick up one of his kids revealing a service revolver in a waist holster. People always think it will never happen to us but there are so many angry people out there. Heck with our glass front doors they could ram a truck through the door and take out 20-30 seasoned citizens without ever firing a shot if they really want to do damage.
IF you're gonna carry, upgrade that .22 to a little bigger caliber. IF you really have to use it you're gonna want something that will stop somebody. If you carry a revolver, a .38 doesn't weigh that much more than a .22 .
For the most part, automatic weapons are illegal. You can obtain special permits to have one, but they are not easy to get and very few go through the time/effort.
I can drop a 2000 lb critter with a well placed .22 slug. The issue is placing a .22 well on a moving target. A .22 in the torso isn't nearly as apt to have the desired effect as something a little bigger. F=MA. It's physics. I have a hard enough time hitting a stationery target with a pistol let alone a moving one.
Then why do criminals with intent to kill masses of people typically pick gun free zones for their cowardice?
The black market, mafia, and cartel say - please tax the hell out of bullets.
It's not that they are picking gun free zones. They are picking areas with large amount of people and most places with lots of people just happen to be gun free: churches, arenas, schools, etc. Most these shooters end up taking their own life or are planning on getting killed anyways so I don't think their primary thought is if people might shoot back. They just think where can I do the most damage in a short amount of time.
I have been meaning to upgrade but don't want to spend the money. Maybe I will now. We actually had a guy last year come into our church during Mass and ran up on the altar area. It didn't look like he wanted to attack anyone but was ranting and raving against all kinds of crazy shit that didn't even make sense. I and three other guys who were all sitting near the front ran up and had to tackle the guy to get him out. Scary shit
Adding to the absurdity, I carry 2 extra mags.
Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil......."
Why'd the aurora shooter pass multiple theaters?
People, banning guns will solve none of this. None. Criminals gonna criminal.
I have no opinion on the gun control issue. I am not knowledgeable enough on the topic.
However, it seems to me that rigid gun control laws would have little effect on the occurrence of these mass killings because there are literally millions of guns out there in our culture. And if you take care of a gun it will damn near last forever. My cousin bought a civil war era rifle at an auction. Spent good money on it since it had been well cared for. The damn thing still works. So it's not as if you will suddenly get rid of guns if you ban them. It will just make it harder for the ordinary citizen to get one.
Maybe, if you do support gun control, the better option would be to ban the manufacturing of bullets. Can't shoot without ammo.
You should be called out for this crap. NO ONE with any credibility whatsoever is reporting that this psycho was an Antifa member.
Further, the “prayers for all” crap is funny. The victims were in CHURCH. They didn’t need anymore prayers. They needed GUN CONTROL.
Finally, for you guys talking about the “black market” if you ban or drastically raise the prices on assault weapons like the AR, you know that things on th black market only get MORE expensive, right? Why would anyone run the risk of possessing or selling illegal goods for less than market value?
I'm not necessarily against people carrying pistols, but I don't see how people carrying pistols will solve anything either. A dude walks in with a semi-automatic and body armor. It's like carrying a pocket knife to take on someone with a machete. Given that matchup, what are the chances that at some point an event happens and lives will be saved by the pistol-toting dude versus the chances that the pistol-toting dude will have an accident at some point carrying the pistol? Still as of this point in our country I think the chances of the latter are higher, which is why I do not carry.
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Sad to say but this is becoming frequent enough that I've started to get numb to it all. There is a growing epidemic of white, male depression that has gone unreported by the media because it doesn't fit their agenda. The loss of opportunity for many men in the globalist economy along with growing anti-white, male sentiment in the media, in schools, etc is pushing many to the brink. There is also a stigma attached to getting mental health services, and in a lot of cases it's not covered by insurance.
We're in dangerous times with ISIS-inspired terror attacks, leftist political violence, and suicidal mass-murderers making daily headlines.
We're in dangerous times with ISIS-inspired terror attacks, leftist political violence, and suicidal mass-murderers making daily headlines.
We had a ban on "assault weapons" under Clinton. That period of time saw the most gun violence in US history and it's not even close. The problem won't be solved by taking guns away from law abiding citizens. The problem is intolerance and hate. How do you fix That? Government isn't the answer. Individually we all need to show tolerance and forgivness. We can only control our own actions.
A gun is a tool, man is the weapon.
Trucks are killing innocents, shall we ban vehicles?
Plenty of crazy people roaming this earth hell bent on killing people. Whacko's aplenty!
Molon labe!
Trucks are killing innocents, shall we ban vehicles?
Plenty of crazy people roaming this earth hell bent on killing people. Whacko's aplenty!
Molon labe!
No one disagrees that there are too many whackos in our world. It's another long debate to understand why the USA has more of them than other societies, but that's not worth going into at the moment. I think the reasonable question is why do we make it easy for "whackos" to buy mass murder weapons? At an alarming rate, the AR-15 is used to create mass murder. I think many people substitute "gun control" with taking away my shotgun, handgun, rifle.
I just haven't heard a reasonable argument why everyday citizens need these kinds of weapons that are designed to shoot in mass quantity at very fast rates.
I can't answer your question on AR's, AK's or any black rifle. Wouldn't bother me to see them banned, I'm happy with my shotgun, 30/30 & pistols. I don't see a good reason to be armed as well or better than the law or military that serve us. No good reason.
So don't try to prevent Iran and North Korea from getting nukes then, right? They're just tools, after all.
You know that we have to have tests, licenses, and insurance to drive trucks, no? Would you be fine with the same regulations for guns?
Deja vu...
Insert that saying on the definition of insanity everybody loves to quote...but just end it more guns. That's how this thread reads. As long as these guns "warm your heart" before they make em cold for the very last time...
Insert that saying on the definition of insanity everybody loves to quote...but just end it more guns. That's how this thread reads. As long as these guns "warm your heart" before they make em cold for the very last time...
I am required to be tested & have a license to carry. As such, I have no problem with that.
My state does not require registration, if it did, again, I would have no problem with the law.
I am afraid of a backlash on gun owners.
I don't understand what NOKO .& Iran have to do with gun ownership. They're bad actors but don't concern me, they are above my pay grade.
you take a chest hit from a pistol and even with body armor you are going to be thinking twice. There are vulnerable areas in body armor and at least you have a chance. Unarmed you've got no chance. Somebody who shoots his/her pistol regularly would have a fighting chance depending on the circumstances.
Because the bad guys have them and aren't going to give them up if we ban them. Look at what's going on just across our border. I can guarantee you that they will still be able to get whatever they want for arms.
Just an add-on. Chicago has the toughest gun laws in the nation, murders keep going up.
You're safer in Iraq or Afghanistan. Let that sink in.
Mental health issues are a big concern in these mass murders. Of course, you toss in the jihadi terrorist and there's another troublesome matter.
Absolutely not true. You right-wing hicks and gun nuts are ruining this country for the rest of us who want no part in having so many horrible weapons around, want healthcare for everyone, and don't like rising inequality.
The reasons for that have to do with readily available guns in gun-nut states like Indiana and Wisconsin, and because Chicago has a complex number of racial, poverty, and drug crime problems as well as a police force that disassembled...you know what, who cares.
Because as a law abiding American citizen I can legally own a firearm and more specifically an "AR" in my State of residence...no argument needed
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