It's like the same people with the same argument s defending Bo. We have better talent overall than every team on our schedule except MSU.
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It's like the same people with the same argument s defending Bo. We have better talent overall than every team on our schedule except MSU.
I have no issue with giving MR more time but it should be 1 year at a time. If there is enough improvement he gets another year. Below .500 next year should result in being fired. If it doesn't then that's 1 step closer to accepting mediocrity or worse than mediocrity.Better talent? really? perhaps at receiver position and defensive tackle--that is it.
Riley deserves another two years--
All the former players and coaches are behind the guy--we need to give him a realistic chance.
There's a huge difference between being happy with Riley and wanting to give him a chance. IMO, there are very few people that are happy with what's going on right now. The people who "seem" happy realize that it may take time.
There's a huge difference between being happy with Riley and wanting to give him a chance. IMO, there are very few people that are happy with what's going on right now. The people who "seem" happy realize that it may take time.
swan and stallworth minus bradshaw… dupper and claton minus marino…rice minus montana..ect.
"3 things can happen when you pass and 2 of them are bad"- Bob Devany
so either riley gets a bradshaw marino or montana..or we become ksu and ku in the 80's with passing numbers and a lot of defeats..
There's a huge difference between being happy with Riley and wanting to give him a chance. IMO, there are very few people that are happy with what's going on right now. The people who "seem" happy realize that it may take time.
If you think we have more talent than everybody but MSU, you are delusional Not happy with the results, but the talent level of this team is in the bottom third of power 5 conference schools..It's like the same people with the same argument s defending Bo. We have better talent overall than every team on our schedule except MSU.
Can you show me where the improvements have come from between game 1 and game 9 to make me feel better about giving this staff more time?There's a huge difference between being happy with Riley and wanting to give him a chance. IMO, there are very few people that are happy with what's going on right now. The people who "seem" happy realize that it may take time.
Can you show me where the improvements have come from between game 1 and game 9 to make me feel better about giving this staff more time?
Your right but whats more likely fumble/no gain vs incomplete pass/interception?Two of the three things that can happen when you run the football are bad too.
Can you show me where the improvements have come from between game 1 and game 9 to make me feel better about giving this staff more time?
Lack of improvement or even regression is irrelevant to thinking a coach deserves more time? Are you even replying to this thread?Largely irrelevant.
SE won't be fired before June 30 (if he's fired at all), and no one wants SE making the next hire. Independent of what transpires on the field, it means we have probably at least one more year.
What happens on the field will largely determine if its 2 or 3 more years.
Your right but whats more likely fumble/no gain vs incomplete pass/interception?
Lack of improvement or even regression is irrelevant to thinking a coach deserves more time? Are you even replying to this thread?
So, I'm not missing improvements? Cause I was really hoping I was. For 9 months all I heard was coaching them up. For 9 games all I've seen was regression.Maybe we just are able to think that there may be a lot more factors than just coaching going on here. That, yes, there are warts with the staff that are magnified by other things.
Lack of improvement or even regression is irrelevant to thinking a coach deserves more time? Are you even replying to this thread?
I'm reading the OP as asking about fans being happy with. If Eichorst were fired today I'd be doing my happy dance. But I'm not expecting it.Its irrelevant at this point in time yes.
People are calling for Perlman to fire the AD and the Coach. Perlman is not going to fire the AD. The AD is not going to act on his own and admit guilt.
People who want immediate firings have no lever arm until June 30, when all the best coaches will long be gone. We are a team looking for a coach next year, at the earliest.
Those facts have nothing to do with events on the field between now and June 30.
Except he never said it. Woody Hayes quoteThat's all I was getting at. Devaney's quote isn't about odds, its simply about potential outcomes. The number of potential bad outcomes is the same.
Its nice quote and I love it though.
I'm reading the OP as asking about fans being happy with. If Eichorst were fired today I'd be doing my happy dance. But I'm not expecting it.
I'm just trying to search for some positives here to see some hope.
So, I'm not missing improvements? Cause I was really hoping I was. For 9 months all I heard was coaching them up. For 9 games all I've seen was regression.
I'm sorry, but I just don't see this as a shit storm problem, rather than a game planning problem. We went into a game against the worst rushing defense in the B1G planning on throwing the ball with a walk on backup starting his first game. Do you think these players don't understand how stupid that is.Personally I think there's too much shit storm going on to assign blame X% to Coaches and Y% to players and all that. Cancers will be cut, transitions will continue, players will develop and a clearer picture will present itself next year.
Coaching is not blameless by any means, but injuries and lack of "want to" by the players generally would lead to the same visible symptoms we see on the field. A mantra we see out of the former player base.
Totally disagree. Wow. Some people think that with a little less bad luck we would be undefeated. Some people think we have no talent. Truth is if our coaches would effectively utilized the talent we have and not make inexplicable game management and game plan decisions we have the talent to win the west. The run was there from the start this weekend and we took ourselves out of the opportunity. No common sense on that staff. Put Ryker in a tough spot for no reason.Not happy with the results, but the talent level of this team is in the bottom third of power 5 conference schools..
Actually I've said I'd give Riley 1 more year, but if we don't I'd be happy there too. I see no hope that he will make us a better team in 2 years or 10 years. The longer we wait the longer it will take to get the recruits for the new system.So, just because you haven seen improvements over 9 games without knowing what other big picture items could be a factor makes you want to blow this whole thing up and start from scratch again? Gotcha.
I'm sorry, but I just don't see this as a shit storm problem, rather than a game planning problem. We went into a game against the worst rushing defense in the B1G planning on throwing the ball with a walk on backup starting his first game. Do you think these players don't understand how stupid that is.
It's like the same people with the same argument s defending Bo. We have better talent overall than every team on our schedule except MSU.
The game plan doesn't happen on Saturday it happens Sunday-Friday. This isn't about play calling. It is about crap game planning and the players know it. The players understand this staff doesn't get it. Why wouldn't there be attitude issues.Well you are changing the target. Any specific nit pick like play calling we can certainly lay blame with a little confidence.
However stringing together the entire season and doling out percentages is quite hard to do given the roughly forty total staters we've tried and attitude issues and the whole bit.
Does Purdue have better talent than Nebraska?I disagree with your talent evaluation. Ask yourselves how many Huskers will make the Big10 all conference teams? I will help out here, the answer is 3. Foltz second team, Collins and Westy third team. So if we have better talent, where the heck is it? Far too many buy into the hype from message board personalities as to the greatness of the Huskers. Try to be a bit more
objective. When you have only 3 guys possibly make even a third string all conference team we have a long long way to go.
Does Purdue have better talent than Nebraska?
No matter what anyone says it won't change what you already think. If someone throws out a positive you'll just poo poo on it.I'm just trying to search for some positives here to see some hope.
Well, maybe if the defense had been able to make a stop, we wouldn't have been put in the position to pass all the time. My God, have you not been watching all year? We can't stop anyone on defense, and can't run the ball worth a crap, which means we get into "shootouts" with every freaking team we play.I'm sorry, but I just don't see this as a shit storm problem, rather than a game planning problem. We went into a game against the worst rushing defense in the B1G planning on throwing the ball with a walk on backup starting his first game. Do you think these players don't understand how stupid that is.
Didn't have to be that way. The run was there early on if we committed to it and we could have controlled the game. Purdue was vulnerable but we helped them out with our (lack of) game plan.Well, maybe if the defense had been able to make a stop, we wouldn't have been put in the position to pass all the time. My God, have you not been watching all year? We can't stop anyone on defense, and can't run the ball worth a crap, which means we get into "shootouts" with every freaking team we play.
It's like the same people with the same argument s defending Bo. We have better talent overall than every team on our schedule except MSU.