Why not just can Riley now?
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Prior performance based hiring largely reduces post hire performance issues. I like Reilly. I couldn't do his job. Performance based hiring would have eliminated Reilly as a candidate...as it likely would have eliminate your erroneous hire.
I fully expect Riley to return in 2018. He'll get another year, no matter who the new AD is.
The question is rhetorical, but it is a worthwhile thought experiment.
You don't fire Riley yet, because you don't have an AD in place to hire the replacement. Plus someone has to coach the team for the next 8 games.
If NU goes 8-5, you definitely don't fire Riley. You give him another year. 8-5 would actually be remarkable and cause for tremendous excitement for 2018. But, how in the world does this team get to 8 wins? They may not get to 3 wins.
You don't fire Riley yet, because you don't have an AD in place to hire the replacement. Plus someone has to coach the team for the next 8 games.
If NU goes 8-5, you definitely don't fire Riley. You give him another year. 8-5 would actually be remarkable and cause for tremendous excitement for 2018. But, how in the world does this team get to 8 wins? They may not get to 3 wins.
There is no way I will ever be excited for a Riley team.
The same way he doesn’t light a fire under our players. It is sad when you miss a lunatic screaming on the sidelines.
Except I think Devaney gets his walking papers before that happens. One of the complaints from some is the amount of staff bloat that SE incurred. Devaney's position is a whole new job with a 6 figure salary. I bet he gone.
never say never. They go on an unexpected winning streak and start steamrolling people including OSU and UW with the run game you're tellng me you wouldn't get excited? Yeah right. Yeah I know it's a looooooong shot.
If nothing else I Want The Recruiting Class. It's the one thing they have done pretty decent at.
Then you must expect 6-6 or better, which hopefully will be the case. But if not, I don't think there is any chance that he is retained. The firing of Eichorst made it clear that they won't accept a losing season.
It's a long shot for sure, but I bet the Penn State board looked eerily similar to this one after four games last year. I'm trying to stay optimistic.
James Franklin was on the hot seat list early last year.......FWIW.
It's hard to see us doing anything like what PSU did last year with an immobile quarterback who is prone to throwing interceptions.
Yes. His team was on a similar trajectory as we currently are. He got things fixed in season and won the conference. Riley has the same opportunity - he doesn't even have to come anywhere close to the job Franklin did - just win 8 games (maybe even 7) and your job and those of your assistants are safe
Agree. I support keeping him at 7 wins. I am on the fence at 6-6 - it would depend on which head coaching candidates have interest - 6-6 would require a 5-4 BIG record which based on play to this point is going to be tough
It will all depend on what the money wants. My gut thinks that they probably like him enough to want to keep him but I have no idea. Tom probably holds the key IMO. Whether some like it or not, there are some key players who will carry his water. It's pretty clear that Tom is going to have a say in who the new AD is. IF he would have kept Callahan if he had won out I can't imagine Tom wanting Riley fired at .500 but who knows. IF Hawks and Clare schedule a golf game in Orlando in mid-November look out.
Because the man deserves 2 more years at minimum and it not given that, he should be allowed to at least finish out the season. The mess he took on from Bo and the roster manage or lack there of...he earned a fair chance at rebuilding this and doing it the right way. Very worst case, he deserves to finish this season.
There is a large amount of time and effort that must be accrued to put a winning product on the field. We can't hire someone right now to come in and just take over and install a new system. So, if you fire your HC mid season, you would continue to play using the same schemes just without a HC. Who wins in this scenario? Only the other teams you're more likely to lose to.
Unless a HC commits something inappropriate, the evaluation needs to wait until the end of the season.
Unless a HC commits something inappropriate, the evaluation needs to wait until the end of the season.
who in their right mind thinks this team is going to win anywhere near 8 this year? I see one more win maybe three at best.
are you staring in to your crystal ball? Personally I use cards thrown in the air and then I figure out what they mean when then hit the table....
Most agree that right now 8 wins looks very unlikely but hey...there's a chance.
are you staring in to your crystal ball? Personally I use cards thrown in the air and then I figure out what they mean when then hit the table....
This team has the same chance of getting 8 wins as 4.6.3 has of getting a "I'm sorry card from anyone on this board!"
My belief has always been to give a coach 5 years before any dismissal. That way he has his own recruits, coaches and system. If he fails in that time, replace him. If he wins then great.
Getting rid of Riley before now would:
I really don't see any point in letting Riley go now. He is still a great ambassador for the team and the players. I actually feel bad for Riley and our coaches and our team as there is no way we improve that much. I hate to see people who built our team do badly.
I don't see being able to go 3-1 in the next four games, Illinois, OhioSt, Wisky, or Purdue. If we go 2-2 or 1-3 and look like a mess I think Riley will be gone if they have a coached lined up. Heck if he goes 4-8 they may keep him around until whomever the next coach is going to be is ready to come aboard. There really isn't a rush as he Riley is not some toxic mess with the players or media. I hope we go 10-2 from here for the record.
- Lose the players
- Lose the season
- Possibly divide the fan base
- Possibly lose support in general
- Lose some recruits
- Gives them time to shop for an AD & Coach
- Gives the AD time to learn the landscape of Nebraska athletics
I really don't see any point in letting Riley go now. He is still a great ambassador for the team and the players. I actually feel bad for Riley and our coaches and our team as there is no way we improve that much. I hate to see people who built our team do badly.
I don't see being able to go 3-1 in the next four games, Illinois, OhioSt, Wisky, or Purdue. If we go 2-2 or 1-3 and look like a mess I think Riley will be gone if they have a coached lined up. Heck if he goes 4-8 they may keep him around until whomever the next coach is going to be is ready to come aboard. There really isn't a rush as he Riley is not some toxic mess with the players or media. I hope we go 10-2 from here for the record.
I think the powers that be have already signaled the coming change.
If they fire the head coach now, then they take the blame, and for firing the nice guy too.. and nobody wants to do that. That is the new AD's job.
Trying to keep the recruiting class together as perviously mentioned is another reason to let it play out.
Another reason, is you give MR the chance to retire and save him the embarrassment.
Whether you like the guy or not, someone with his tenure in the profession should be given the option of taking the dignified way out.
If they fire the head coach now, then they take the blame, and for firing the nice guy too.. and nobody wants to do that. That is the new AD's job.
Trying to keep the recruiting class together as perviously mentioned is another reason to let it play out.
Another reason, is you give MR the chance to retire and save him the embarrassment.
Whether you like the guy or not, someone with his tenure in the profession should be given the option of taking the dignified way out.
My biggest concerns are the defensive coaches. Love me some Parella, Williams, Bray, Diaco - hate to lose them. KW on the offensive side too.
5 years? He inherited a program wavering more than nine wins a season over seven years. If he can't produce winning records in two of his first three, why wait ? It's not like he has an untapped upside. God, this program has gone to crap and people are ok with it.
Great in theory, but like I have told people in the past, this isn't Wal-mart. FBS coaching is a pretty tight fraternity, guys aren't negotiating contracts or jobs when there isn't a position open. No chance. Now if you fire the guy or publicly say he isn't returning, that is different.
I doubt he is gone.........many feel he is the glue barely holding it together.
IF Devaney stays I would bet money that Riley stays no matter what with staff revisions. Devaney is as big of a Riley booster as there is and frankly I think you could make 2 assistant changes on this staff and make a HUGE difference.
If true then Riley may be fine getting his walking papers after this season. Not sure he is exactly happy not having that level of control.....but too nice a guy to complain to the media.
All depends on how the season plays out. I don't see more than 2 wins the rest of the way....BUT that could change (alot of close games yet to be played, injuries for both teams, etc). I think 6-6 or worse - the pressure will be too great for anyone to save Riley - he used up all goodwill season 1. If he gets to 7 or more wins - I could see Devaney, new AD, etc. working with Riley to fix the remaining staff issues. The new AD is going to have high expectations to "fix it" - and what we have seen through week 4 is not an acceptable level of play.
Most likely scenario is sub 500 season and a new coaching staff....IMHO.
Given the release of SE, I think it's pretty clear to the general public that we're strongly considering a move. When considering a move, you start exploring interests of prospective candidates. That's what I mean by "shopping".
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