Hopefully whatever consultants he’s bringing in are looking at the entire operation, not just the offense. Change in OC may not be enough to turn this around next year.
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It is the elephant in the room that nobody wants to talk about but many players DO need to be accountable. I’ve been saying this for a while.
There is a common thread between two coaching regimes and similar outcomes in games. What is that common thread? Some players. Honestly I can’t wait two years from now when some of those players have moved on. When the same players make the same mistakes, same breakdowns, same lack of effort, etc etc…no magic wand can help these players.
I agree to some extent, however great coaching is that magic wand. Great coaching fixes tons of what you say is wrong. Maybe some of that great coaching is changing players or maybe you make them better. Great coaches don't have these issues this consistently.
All of these points are valid and there are definitely some coaches at Nebraska that don’t have magic wands. My point is there are also some players that just can never be reached.
Have you ever worked at a place with some employees that have all the intelligence and credentials but somehow can never deliver the project on time or constantly screw up? That is what is going here in Lincoln.
And the point is that those employees that can't be fixed get fired. Or, in this case, the players get benched. That's on the coach
Rhule said they were evaluating everything. That said, the offense is the most obvious problem. It gets pretty damned tough for your defense when your offense keeps stacking 3 and outs.
True but I understand it is a tightrope because the pressure is to win now.
But if it was up to me, Year One is a clean slate to get to know each player. In year Two, any player underperforming in the first year would have had their scholarship pulled. I would start a younger player and also go Coach Prime and use the transfer portal. If we are going to lose games, we’ll do it with players that may not have as much experience but have way more upside, are coachable, hungry, At least I got rid of the dead weight.
Let’s be real, College Football is a business to win games. It is a good lesson when players finish their career and enter the workplace. If you are going to underperform in the workplace, you’ll get fired.
Overall, top to bottom, this is just a bad coaching staff.
How hard do we think it would be to replace any, and I mean ANY, coach on this entire staff?
After 1 3/4 seasons, EVERY single coach has been exposed more than once.
The AD can motivate the shit out of the HC, the HC can motivate the shit out of the coordinators and position coaches.
At the end of the day----as a coach, you either have it or you don't.
I think you are talking about smilin Mike and the rugby tackling deal.
You are correct. It was also related to a study helping to avoid injury / concussions so not totally a bad thing.
I’m not ready to say this is a bad staff top to bottom. There are obvious problems and having to can our DB coach late has really hurt us. The elephant in the room is Satterfield’s failure. IMO you start there and see what happens.
I think this is pretty accurate. You get to a certain point and you either ARE a good coach or you are not. I know there is experience factors and learning the ropes but this is not rocket science. If you have not "figured it out" at a certain point, you are probably not all of a sudden going to become a great coach.
Satterfield is the obvious “not a great coordinator” coach. Rhule apparently had to “suggest” to White that we needed to go to 4 man fronts during a game this year but at least I see in game adjustments from him that I believe he’s initiating. The offense has put tremendous pressure on our defense.
I think most if not all of our defensive staff is pretty damned good. The biggest issues I’ve seen there have been individual players blowing assignments. On offense it’s play design at times and play calling. Raiola is shell shocked and looks like a freshman now. That’s Satterfield’s fault.
"Good" coaching staffs don't have teams shoot their wad the first half of the season against 4 out of 6 mostly pud teams, then go backwards the second half of the year for 2 straight years.
Players need to take accountability now also, they're getting to may $$$ to not take on some blame for lack luster performance. Time to earn those dollars!
Satt as OC---subpar;
Satt as TE coach---subpar;
McGuire WR coach----subpar;
Barthel RB coach---subpar;
Foley ST coach---subpar.
Some might say Raiola as OL coach----subpar.
That's half the staff. If 1/2 half of your staff is subpar, that's a bad coaching "staff."
Then you combine that with 3 games the defense couldn't get the ball away from the opposing offenses, N Iowa, Illinois, UCLA and there you have it.
We played really bad teams until we hit average teams in Illinois and Rutgers and a really good team in Indiana. I expressed concern about both sides of the ball early and often. I don’t think we’ve regressed. I think we are what we are. We actually played very well against a very good OSU team and ran into a WAY under valued UCLA team. UCLA has a legit front 7 on D and their coordinators are very good. We’re a mediocre team with a freshman QB who is banged up and shell shocked.
I blame Satterfield for the vast majority of the entire team’s problems. Those 3 passes and out drives early in games are killers. White’s defense for whatever reason doesn’t start well but he usually adjusts at least. It’s just a frustrating inconsistent deal on D. Offense is consistently a mess.
I might be the only guy who likes the job Barthel is doing. As an old RB I see improvement in our backs, their ball security, pass pro and how hard they run. He has a stud high schooler committed right now. I just think our offensive problems start and maybe end with Satterfield. It’s pretty damned tough to accurately assess the position coaches with such incompetent game planning and play calling from your OC. None of the offensive staff has worked with Satt before unless Thomas had a year of overlap sometime.
I guarantee Tom could have won 9-10 games with these assistants. The weak link is Satterfield and unfortunately I don’t think Rhule has ever called plays on offense. Play calling is a unique skill that Satterfield clearly lacks.
Dana Holgoerson and Phil Snow. We will find out what kind of head coach Rhule is….if he implements the suggestions they have or if he allows his coordinators to keep doing what they have been. Maybe they will watch practice and evaluate talent as well?
Would like to know whose salary is this coming out of if we need to pay extra eyes to tell these millionaires what they are doing wrong.
We should have started from the get go
With those two. Not saying they would for sure be world beaters, but likely FAR better than what we have.
I mean, Rhule is living off of a very good 3rd year at Baylor and his OC and DC from that team were both available and he picks these guys? Satterfield is a sack of shit that SCar wanted shitcanned and Tony runs a 335 that sucks for the B1G.
Rhule better fire at least 3 guys this year or we know he’s a fccking clown
How about this?
Hire Holgorsen as OC, Bill Busch as ST coach and Mickey Joseph as WR coach?
I remember Snow being discussed but people thought he was too old. Maybe he didn’t want full time job but he can sure be helpful the rest of this season which hopefully includes part of December.
Yeah, he is a bit long in the tooth and I didn’t hate the Tony hire, but seeing how the 3-3-5 works for us I’d prefer a 4-3
I mean WTF is that extra DB doing for us while teams run it down our throat? Amirite
He’ll be forced whether he likes it or not with Ty and Nash gone next year. The days of running anything with a NT are done I’m afraid.
Most of the problem with the defense is being caused by the offense.
Not saying the defense is perfect. It's not. But even through the shitshow offense last week, the defense made an adjustment and ended up giving up 20 points.
That should be enough to beat UCLA 99% of the time.
You are definitely right. It would thrive in the Big 12 and Conference USA. But not the big ten.
I love Tony whites defense. We’re only in year 2 and it turned around immediately. He adjusts. It’s not always perfect but it’s super solid and that’s with a terrible terrible offense. Just a decent offense will highlight how special the defense already is and how great it could eventually be
Those are easy first couple of drives are maddening though. Granted UCLA has good coordinators and had some time to scheme up some wrinkles but damn.
Mickey is never coming back to be a WR coach and I think Bill is very happy with his current situation.
I completely agree with you on these takes. Mickey is gone for good. Too many people like to look back, but we need to be looking ahead.
We need better players on the backend of our defense
I think the RBs we have would do well in different situations. I’m beating a dead horse but the way they are utilized no one even gets warmed up before they are sent back to the sidelines. Heck last week when Emmitt Johnson had a 6-7 yard gain he went to the sideline. I’d go right back to him until they stuffed him.
I think we have good DB talent but the injuries and losing our DB coach late have hurt. Our backers and edge players need a couple of upgrades.
Are you forgetting temple? Or is it just convenient that you’re ignoring that he bought around two bad programs not just one. Scott Frost proved that you can resuscitate one program and it may not carry forward.
Having a lawyer as an athletic Director is frequently not a good thing.
Something we used to do was have d tell the o this is how we're going to defend you and here's what I think your weakness is and how I plan to exploit it and vice-versa with the o telling the d.
I thought it helped and made for great conversations
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