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You've been listening to a bunch of white talk radio and TV. Have you been to those neighborhoods or spoken to anyone who lives there? I get the feeling that you haven't. People want to and are trying to take back their neighborhoods, but its not easy. It's extremely hard, and often times those who try to take back their neighborhoods end up dead. You think those people are disrespecting themselves? The gang members aren't worth an ounce of respect. But they're a powerful minority in those neighborhoods. And they're hard to stop. The people in those neighborhoods are scared. They can't just leave. You don't understand them, but you want to judge them.

Again, listen to Shannon Sharpe's comments.

Yes.,I'm from Orange Mound Memphis, Tenn...the hood...my mother lived in Chicago and then moved to Mississippi and I have family that lives there......everything you are saying is what you read in a magazine.

Those communities need opportunities...it's a civil rights issue...but that doesn't excuse their own behavior that contributes to the ills in their communities ....being poor does not mean you have to comitt crimes..

I come from a family of sharecroppers who lived through Jim Crow. Spare me your tough conditions argument.
 
Lot's of 'necks in this thread. How you spend your time is none of my f'n business. The fact that you have to bring it up for discussion (again) is drawing more attention to the issue. Pretty sure that is one of the goals of this behavior...

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This thread is pretty funny. If I based my love of Husker football on the redneck political beliefs that dominate Husker fan boards, I'd quit watching Husker games.
 
Not a great argument. In the NFL, or any other professional sports league, you're basically livestock. You're an investment. When your value is no longer there, you're gone in a moment. The owners and management doesn't give a rip about what happens to any of them. It's business. And there is nothing wrong with that, but lets not act like the NFL paying an extremely minuscule portion of black men an abundance of money for a very short amount of time is doing the black community a bunch of favors. So, when someone beats the odds and gets to that level for a short amount of time, I have no problem with them using their position use the opportunity to do something for a cause they care about.

This is exactly the right that men and women have fought for. I don't necessarily agree with it or think its effective, but I appreciate that he is legally exercising the right.
I understand what you are saying, but that's not really the point I was making. The point I was making is that CK talks about black people being "oppressed" in this country, and that is simply (and demonstrably) not true. If black people were "oppressed" in this country, the things I mentioned would not be true. We wouldn't have a black president, you wouldn't have ~70% of the NFL earning a minimum of $450,000; you also wouldn't have large groups of people out "protesting" and doing things like blocking traffic, which is illegal in most places, and having nothing, or almost nothing, done to them. If there was truly "oppression" going on, those protesters would all be rounded up and locked up for the rest of their lives for even thinking about doing anything other than what they are told. Instead, they are held by many on some sort of pedestal, and often times even get away with things that would get a lot of people in trouble.
 
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Kaepernick's endorsements include BEAT's and EA Madden 2016. Not only will I refuse to watch NFL games, I will chose not to buy these products. Not that I was going to spend my money on a pair of BEATS headphones anyway.
 
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Yes.,I'm from Orange Mound Memphis, Tenn...the hood...my mother lived in Chicago and then moved to Mississippi and I have family that lives there......everything you are saying is what you read in a magazine.

You might have missed what I said earlier - I spend time in Englewood working with young men. I'm sharing based on what I've learned first hand, as a white outsider who went into a community in pain where everyone was suspicious of me and my intentions. I had to win the trust of guys who only know by narrative and experience that 1) you can't trust white people, and 2) they're own lives aren't worth anything.

My wife works in a hospital on the south side. She is right in the thick of it as well. We grew up very in privileged and conservative communities. We were exactly what you would expect before we moved to Chicago. Then we started to experience what is really going on, and we understood that things got to the way they are today because of generations of mistreatment of the black community. People think these communities just need to bootstrap it up and fix their problems (as if they have any resources to do so), that they caused their own problems, etc. That is the ignorance I'm talking about. People who think like that have no clue what in the heck they're talking about.

You're right, they need opportunities. And you're right, it doesn't excuse criminal behavior. But do you know the percentage of folks in those neighborhoods who are truly criminals? Or are you making a blanket statement? When there aren't opportunities and you are convinced by how you are treated that your life isn't worthy anything, what do you expect people to do? The public schools are terrible, there is no one investing in the communities to provide hope or opportunities, most of these young men don't have fathers at home, and for the most part they have to worry about their safety and their next meal, do you expect them to be able to build a business plan for solving their economic problems? They get recruited to the safety of gangs either by force or by being told they're cared about for the first time in their lives. Once you're in, you can't get out.
The complexities of their issues are a tangled mess, pretty much none of which they brought on themselves, they just happen to be the next generation of young men to be brought up in the hood. And we just expect them to succeed like their fellow man, like me, who had everything I needed growing up and was given every opportunity to succeed. Was taught how to respect and love and give and learn. I had had 3-4 meals a day. I slept in a bed, in a house with heat and air conditioning. Meanwhile my black 32 year old counterpart who by no choice of his own is born to a mother who lives in the hood - who was in danger every day he walked to and from school, who only got one crappy meal a day at school and was expected to be able to think and learn, who slept on the floor to be protected from errant gun fire at night, who didn't have male role models in his life teaching him how to become a man, who, if they were lucky enough to dodge gangs through their high school years and had someone encouraging them to seek higher education and applied and got accepted into college - is expected to be a completely normal, functioning, productive member of society. And it can happen, but those are the miracle success stories. I didn't need a miracle to get to where I'm at. I had every opportunity to succeed. My counterpart had to beat all of the obstacles.
My issue is that people don't understand everything it takes for a person in that situation to beat the odds, especially when they themselves were blessed with so many opportunities to succeed, and then they think they did it themselves, and the folks who can't do it, who "choose" to live in the hood because they must love murder and drugs and guns and crime, are scum. And that's the tip of the iceberg. White America doesn't understand, but we sure can judge Black America for anything they try to do to raise awareness to the plight and injustice their people have to fight uphill against every day.

So to ball all of that and more into some statistic about a small percentage of black gangbangers who wreak havoc on their communities, yeah, I have a problem with it.
 
That's like saying white guys can still play cornerback in the NFL because Jason Sehorn did it.

You are taking the exceptions to the rules and gleaning them as if it is the norm.

Most African Americans are not making multi million dollars playing sports or running countries. Hell how many minority owners are there in sports. How many black politicians hold a national position?

There is a large number of minority youths that do not get the same opportunities or number of chances to get out of their situations as a similarly place white youth. Instead of making these types protests, a better use of time and resources would be to educate and spend time in the communities that need the help.

Personally, I don't think confronting the ignorances of others is an effective way to spread a message. People get defensive and their position becomes more entrenched not less. Complaining about how you are treated simply isn't going to change anything. Sitting or kneeling during the national anthem is not going to stop the cop that profiles from profiling. That cop doesn't care what the player is doing.

I think if people of color want to make a difference in how they are treated by police, there needs to be more people of color applying for those jobs. Statistics show that is not the case.

I believe that everyone has a chance to better themselves. Some take advantage, some don't. Some fight some don't. But to pretend that there aren't still injustices and forms of oppression because a small pct of minorities make it in professional sports and 1 guy was elected POTUS is just naive.



I understand what you are saying, but that's not really the point I was making. The point I was making is that CK talks about black people being "oppressed" in this country, and that is simply (and demonstrably) not true. If black people were "oppressed" in this country, the things I mentioned would not be true. We wouldn't have a black president, you wouldn't have ~70% of the NFL earning a minimum of $450,000; you also wouldn't have large groups of people out "protesting" and doing things like blocking traffic, which is illegal in most places, and having nothing, or almost nothing, done to them. If there was truly "oppression" going on, those protesters would all be rounded up and locked up for the rest of their lives for even thinking about doing anything other than what they are told. Instead, they are held by many on some sort of pedestal, and often times even get away with things that would get a lot of people in trouble.
 
Still curious how kneeling during the anthem is disrespectful to the military.
 
You might have missed what I said earlier - I spend time in Englewood working with young men. I'm sharing based on what I've learned first hand, as a white outsider who went into a community in pain where everyone was suspicious of me and my intentions. I had to win the trust of guys who only know by narrative and experience that 1) you can't trust white people, and 2) they're own lives aren't worth anything.

My wife works in a hospital on the south side. She is right in the thick of it as well. We grew up very in privileged and conservative communities. We were exactly what you would expect before we moved to Chicago. Then we started to experience what is really going on, and we understood that things got to the way they are today because of generations of mistreatment of the black community. People think these communities just need to bootstrap it up and fix their problems (as if they have any resources to do so), that they caused their own problems, etc. That is the ignorance I'm talking about. People who think like that have no clue what in the heck they're talking about.

You're right, they need opportunities. And you're right, it doesn't excuse criminal behavior. But do you know the percentage of folks in those neighborhoods who are truly criminals? Or are you making a blanket statement? When there aren't opportunities and you are convinced by how you are treated that your life isn't worthy anything, what do you expect people to do? The public schools are terrible, there is no one investing in the communities to provide hope or opportunities, most of these young men don't have fathers at home, and for the most part they have to worry about their safety and their next meal, do you expect them to be able to build a business plan for solving their economic problems? They get recruited to the safety of gangs either by force or by being told they're cared about for the first time in their lives. Once you're in, you can't get out.
The complexities of their issues are a tangled mess, pretty much none of which they brought on themselves, they just happen to be the next generation of young men to be brought up in the hood. And we just expect them to succeed like their fellow man, like me, who had everything I needed growing up and was given every opportunity to succeed. Was taught how to respect and love and give and learn. I had had 3-4 meals a day. I slept in a bed, in a house with heat and air conditioning. Meanwhile my black 32 year old counterpart who by no choice of his own is born to a mother who lives in the hood - who was in danger every day he walked to and from school, who only got one crappy meal a day at school and was expected to be able to think and learn, who slept on the floor to be protected from errant gun fire at night, who didn't have male role models in his life teaching him how to become a man, who, if they were lucky enough to dodge gangs through their high school years and had someone encouraging them to seek higher education and applied and got accepted into college - is expected to be a completely normal, functioning, productive member of society. And it can happen, but those are the miracle success stories. I didn't need a miracle to get to where I'm at. I had every opportunity to succeed. My counterpart had to beat all of the obstacles.
My issue is that people don't understand everything it takes for a person in that situation to beat the odds, especially when they themselves were blessed with so many opportunities to succeed, and then they think they did it themselves, and the folks who can't do it, who "choose" to live in the hood because they must love murder and drugs and guns and crime, are scum. And that's the tip of the iceberg. White America doesn't understand, but we sure can judge Black America for anything they try to do to raise awareness to the plight and injustice their people have to fight uphill against every day.

So to ball all of that and more into some statistic about a small percentage of black gangbangers who wreak havoc on their communities, yeah, I have a problem with it.

Which is why I say it's a civil rights issue as well......but those criminals just didn't magically appear....parenting is an issue that needs to be addressed. ..sometimes you got to move.. these kids are being brought into the world by others...that is something black people only can address....

One thing I learned is, the only way to be oppressed is to have a lack of skill.

Day to day decisions matter in life....you realize a lot of the criminal element are seeds of those who are peaceful?
 
Still curious how kneeling during the anthem is disrespectful to the military.
Its not ....at all ...There isnt one America and there really never has been either. I cant really imagine what its like to live in black, brown, poor, etc America....but its certainly tougher than my existence so far as a white male....Regarding Jones baseball remark...the game is most certainly a white game..."play the game the right way"==how whites played it in the 40s, unwritten rules (how white people act....do you think when the negro leaguers finally got to play they were allowed to bring their culture in? No...Latin players play the game differently and as a result get thrown at after flipping a bat.The dominant culture in the country is the culture of our founding fathers and some see a threat to that culture. Keep your head in the sand if you must but the growing minority is sick of the shit being constantly placed at their feet and the obvious injustices have become too much. Hell the cop that killed Eric Garner just got a raise....its actions like that that others are trying to bring to light
 
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I understand what you are saying, but that's not really the point I was making. The point I was making is that CK talks about black people being "oppressed" in this country, and that is simply (and demonstrably) not true. If black people were "oppressed" in this country, the things I mentioned would not be true. We wouldn't have a black president, you wouldn't have ~70% of the NFL earning a minimum of $450,000; you also wouldn't have large groups of people out "protesting" and doing things like blocking traffic, which is illegal in most places, and having nothing, or almost nothing, done to them. If there was truly "oppression" going on, those protesters would all be rounded up and locked up for the rest of their lives for even thinking about doing anything other than what they are told. Instead, they are held by many on some sort of pedestal, and often times even get away with things that would get a lot of people in trouble.
Black people have been placed at a disadvantage for a couple hundred of years. As Sharpe said, giving them the right to vote a couple of decades ago doesn't reverse the impact of slavery and the oppression that existed and continues to exist today. Citing a black president doesn't argue that oppression no longer exists. The reason the NFL pays $450k minimum to a largely black contingent has everything to do with entertainment and nothing to do with whether or not many black communities are oppressed.
Its not ....at all ...There isnt one America and there really never has been either. I cant really imagine what its like to live in black, brown, poor, etc America....but its certainly tougher than my existence so far as a white male....Regarding Jones baseball remark...the game is most certainly a white game..."play the game the right way"==how whites played it in the 40s, unwritten rules (how white people act....do you think when the negro leaguers finally got to play they were allowed to bring their culture in? No...Latin players play the game differently and as a result get thrown at after flipping a bat.The dominant culture in the country is the culture of our founding fathers and some see a threat to that culture. Keep your head in the sand if you must but the growing minority is sick of the shit being constantly placed at their feet and the obvious injustices have become too much. Hell the cop that killed Eric Garner just got a raise....its actions like that that others are trying to bring to light

Very well stated.
 
The level of ignorance I've witnessed white people display when referring to a community and plight they know very little about is sad

And black people aren't? What about Chinese people? Middle Eastern? Nah, just white people, right?

Puke, spare me your road apples.
 
The lives of blacks do matter.

Showing respect for our flag, country and veterans who went to war to protect our freedom also matters.

Hoping, praying and working for a more peaceful and respectful country.
 
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How do I know? I live and breathe. It's not hard to follow the stats. Entitled victims do not survive very well.

Since BLM started, thousands MORE black lives have been lost in the streets due to the backlash against policing (check out the Fegusson effect). So called leaders like CK focus on hundreds of lives. The focus is in the wrong place. At the end of the day, more black people are dead. I know you think I'm heartless, but that is tragic.

When did we start confusing Civil Rights with BLM? BLM has incited more divisiveness than good, IMO, whereas the Civil Rights movement has been an important part of equal rights for everyone.

Ferguson was complete BS, and that kid was a punk, but it doesn't change the fact that certain cops create distrust of the police department because they are racist.

How do you fix the problem? If someone had the answer, we would have made more progress, but focus needs to be placed on building trust between cops and the AA community, and it starts by improving the dialogue between police and those communities, as well as better screening of cops, and removing those that have shown any partial tendencies.
 
If you want to be better off in this country you will be...if it's not that important to you...you won't.

Unless you're shot dead trying to better yourself....which has nothing to do with the oppression of anybody but the person that pulled the trigger.
 
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And black people aren't? What about Chinese people? Middle Eastern? Nah, just white people, right?

Puke, spare me your road apples.

Can you clarify your questions? I'm not sure what you are saying, but I'll comment based on what I think you are saying.

First, you missed the part about "the things I've witnessed." I haven't witnessed massive ignorance of the plight of the black community from Chinese or Middle Eastern people. I have witnessed racism and ignorance from a whole lot of white people though, hence why qualified my statement the way I did.

Maybe you deflect my comment in different directions because you don't like the idea of my calling attention to White America's ignorance in this situation? What do Chinese and Middle Eastern folks have to do with this? Are they responsible for the oppression of black American's for the last few hundred years? Why would I bring other populations and races of people into this conversation who are not responsible for what has happened to blacks in America? Sure, you can probably find anecdotes to artifically prop up your "other people are ignorant, too" argument (do you realize your argument is sort of like saying, "yeah, I kicked that kid 50 times when he was down, but these two other kids threw a stick at him. Maybe you should worry about them!"), but they are not responsible for the institutional racism that exists in America today. We are.
 
My story is prolly similar to many peoples on this board being from this geographic location, my family immigrated here 140 years ago from Europe with no more than the shirt on their backs, they settled on the prairie and without one ounce of help and knowing no one. They lived a brutal existence, of the 9 children 3 died because of illness and or starvation. There was no white privilege when it came to settling the prairie or building america from nothing to the greatest country in the world. My grandfather then went on to being a small farmer who lived to old age he lived most of his life without alot but it was his life and he never worried if someone had more or felt anyone owed him anything or vise versa. Now some of my great grand parents descendants have done quite well over these 140 years some havent done so well, whatever was achieved was becuase of their own efforts.
Liberals and african americans need to take this into account otherwise their arguments sound childish.
 
My story is prolly similar to many peoples on this board being from this geographic location, my family immigrated here 140 years ago from Europe with no more than the shirt on their backs, they settled on the prairie and without one ounce of help and knowing no one. They lived a brutal existence, of the 9 children 3 died because of illness and or starvation. There was no white privilege when it came to settling the prairie or building america from nothing to the greatest country in the world. My grandfather then went on to being a small farmer who lived to old age he lived most of his life without alot but it was his life and he never worried if someone had more or felt anyone owed him anything or vise versa. Now some of my great grand parents descendants have done quite well over these 140 years some havent done so well, whatever was achieved was becuase of their own efforts.
Liberals and african americans need to take this into account otherwise their arguments sound childish.

Were your relatives taken as slaves when they arrived? Did they give up every ounce of freedom they had when they arrived?

Yup, that's what I thought.

Do any of us have any idea what having your identity stripped from you centuries ago does to the mentality of subsequent generations? I can't imagine that white people would have fared any differently. Not to mention that racism is still alive and well, which can't be healthy to any person.
 
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How do you fix the problem? If someone had the answer, we would have made more progress, but focus needs to be placed on building trust between cops and the AA community, and it starts by improving the dialogue between police and those communities, as well as better screening of cops, and removing those that have shown any partial tendencies.

...and killing all murdering gang-bangers.
 
Were your relatives taken as slaves when they arrived? Did they give up every ounce of freedom they had when they arrived?

Yup, that's what I thought.

Do any of us have any idea what having your identity stripped from you centuries ago does to the mentality of subsequent generations? I can't imagine that white people would have fared any differently. Not to mention that racism is still alive and well, which can't be healthy to any person.

Actually many Irish were brought over as slaves as were other Europeans, and the africans brought over here already were slaves to rival african tribes where they were treated far worse or murdered or castrated, african slave trade was set up by africans and was worldwide with only a very small percentage coming to the colonies. Also massive amounts of money have been shifted to the black race from the white race and other races thru taxes and charities.
 
My story is prolly similar to many peoples on this board being from this geographic location, my family immigrated here 140 years ago from Europe with no more than the shirt on their backs, they settled on the prairie and without one ounce of help and knowing no one. They lived a brutal existence, of the 9 children 3 died because of illness and or starvation. There was no white privilege when it came to settling the prairie or building america from nothing to the greatest country in the world. My grandfather then went on to being a small farmer who lived to old age he lived most of his life without alot but it was his life and he never worried if someone had more or felt anyone owed him anything or vise versa. Now some of my great grand parents descendants have done quite well over these 140 years some havent done so well, whatever was achieved was becuase of their own efforts.
Liberals and african americans need to take this into account otherwise their arguments sound childish.
Well the privilege here is if you do the math 140 years ago simply being white meant you werent a slave in at least half of the country and if you were in the "free" half ...of course even if you were in the free half it didnt stop people from discrimination. I doubt many people of color would even be allowed to settle and try to scrap together a life and an identity in 1860-1890
 
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Country United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland
Location Ireland
Period 1845–1852
Total deaths 1 million
Observations Policy failure, potato blight, Corn Laws, British Anti-Catholicism
Relief see below
Impact on demographics Population fell by 20–25% due to mortality and emigration
Consequences Permanent change in the country's demographic, political and cultural landscape
Website See List of memorials to the Great Famine
Preceded by Irish Famine (1740–41) (Bliain an Áir)
Succeeded by Irish Famine, 1879 (An Gorta Beag)
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Being of Irish Catholic roots, the English stole our land, put on my people on slave ships(coffin ships) bound for America, others to Canada & Australia Over 1 million killed by the Brits, what are you going to tell me?

Am I to receive reparations from England?
 
Well the privilege here is if you do the math 140 years ago simply being white meant you werent a slave in at least half of the country and if you were in the "free" half ...of course even if you were in the free half it didnt stop people from discrimination. I doubt many people of color would even be allowed to settle and try to scrap together a life and an identity in 1860-1890
If you do the math, 140 years ago was 1876, slavery had been ended by the 13th Amendment for nearly 11 years by that point.
 
If you want an example of white privilege, it's having a life so care free that your biggest concern is that qb that kneels during the anthem.
 
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If you want an example of white privilege, it's having a life so care free that your biggest concern is that qb that kneels during the anthem.
Its not my biggest concern, I fully believe in the 1st amendment. Just stating my viewpoint and why I would disagree with his viewpoint.
 
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If you want an example of white privilege, it's having a life so care free that your biggest concern is that qb that kneels during the anthem.


That's call money privilege.......people mistake a lack of skills for racism all the time.

Never ever worried about being harassed by the cops....happy to see them.
 
First, you missed the part about "the things I've witnessed." I haven't witnessed massive ignorance of the plight of the black community from Chinese or Middle Eastern people. I have witnessed racism and ignorance from a whole lot of white people though, hence why qualified my statement the way I did.

I didn't miss anything, your isolation to this subject speaks for itself. There's just as much "racism and ignorance" from all people of color, not just "white people" in "white America" towards "black people". What happened 100+ years ago has no bearing on my love for all colors, BLACK included. The same goes for the BLACK people in my family - they couldn't care less what happened many years ago.

As far as other races, or nationalities, in my response, I'm not surprised you're baffled as to why they were brought up.

You're part of the problem, not the solution.
 
How many times is this same stupid "debate" going to be rehashed on this board? Jesus, you can write a script for it at this point right down to which poster will say what. Are the lock and delete buttons broken?
 
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How many times is this same stupid "debate" going to be rehashed on this board? Jesus, you can write a script for it at this point right down to which poster will say what. Are the lock and delete buttons broken?

As long as the protests continue to spread I suppose.
Since you know what a certain poster is likely to post, use the ignore button and end the frustration.

The poster's viewpoints have remained civil, no harm, no foul. This discussion is educational to me.
I don't mind these guys taking a knee. If the majority of vets or those currently serving our country have no prob., why should I? Myself, I'll always stand, hat off, hand over heart.
 
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I'll put my hat in the ring here. Personally I think he is disrespecting the flag & the people that gave their lives for it. What really gets in my craw is that he's using the NFL on company time and the NFL is letting him get away with it. Try doing what he is doing at work all the while you are getting paid. Most everyone would be fired & before you start spouting off about freedom of speech the Constitution protects you from the government. You are not protected in the work place when it comes to freedom of expression & free speech.. Most bosses can fire you for just about anything. Your freedom of speech & expression is not protected in the work place.
 
If the NFL is going to become a political platform for any cause, other than something like cancer awareness, count me out. I just want to watch football and if this crap continues, I will watch or do something else.
 
I did this 3-4 seasons ago and fell in love with the college game again. Haven't really gotten too far back into the pro game and only watch the NFL once in a while.
 
I'll put my hat in the ring here. Personally I think he is disrespecting the flag & the people that gave their lives for it. What really gets in my craw is that he's using the NFL on company time and the NFL is letting him get away with it. Try doing what he is doing at work all the while you are getting paid. Most everyone would be fired & before you start spouting off about freedom of speech the Constitution protects you from the government. You are not protected in the work place when it comes to freedom of expression & free speech.. Most bosses can fire you for just about anything. Your freedom of speech & expression is not protected in the work place.
I agree with this but pro athletes have been and always will be treated differently in so many ways that pointing out this one difference from you and me doesn't really prove anything.
 
You'd not make much on me. No BEARS, no NFL

We're in the Pittsburg coverage area. Great if you're a Steelers fan, I'm not.
Been a BEARS fan since '55. Only TV exception is a BEARS / PACKERS game.
Gonna be another long year for us Bears fans. I think they're a better team than a year ago, but I don't know that it's going to show until late in the season when there has been time for all the new faces on the OL and the defensive front 7 to gel.
 
you also wouldn't have large groups of people out "protesting" and doing things like blocking traffic, which is illegal in most places,

Just to clear something up, you are expressing something a lot of people seem to believe for some reason, but is completely untrue. To quote a recent Federal Circuit Court of Appeals case: "On one end of the spectrum, we have traditional public forums. These properties, which include public streets and parks, "have immemorially been held in trust for the use of the public, and, time out of mind, have been used for purposes of assembly, communicating thoughts between citizens, and discussing public questions." 2016 US App Lexis 15431. In other words, blocking traffic while protesting is not only legal, but attempts to stop it would violate the 1st Amendment to the US Constitution. That is not to say, of course, that a protest that gets out of hand and becomes violent, or spills onto private property cannot be stopped or controlled. But the right of someone to have to go an extra mile to reach the liquor store is not protected by law. OTOH the right of people to protest in a way that blocks traffic is, almost without exception, protected by the Constitution.
 
Gonna be another long year for us Bears fans. I think they're a better team than a year ago, but I don't know that it's going to show until late in the season when there has been time for all the new faces on the OL and the defensive front 7 to gel.
I only saw the BEARS play a couple games last year. Maybe it's for the best. Great memories of George PAPPA BEAR Halas & old 89 & 51. You know it's funny, my circle of BEARS fans were exactly like those in those SNL skits. It was natural to be that way, somebody smarter than us just put it on TV.
 
I only saw the BEARS play a couple games last year. Maybe it's for the best. Great memories of George PAPPA BEAR Halas & old 89 & 51. You know it's funny, my circle of BEARS fans were exactly like those in those SNL skits. It was natural to be that way, somebody smarter than us just put it on TV.
Plumber who installed my new disposal sounded EXACTLY like those guys. I do my impression of him every time I put something down the sink. "What's dat, coffee grinds? Ehhh you don't wanna put da coffee grinds inna disposer..."
 
I'll put my hat in the ring here. Personally I think he is disrespecting the flag & the people that gave their lives for it. What really gets in my craw is that he's using the NFL on company time and the NFL is letting him get away with it. Try doing what he is doing at work all the while you are getting paid. Most everyone would be fired & before you start spouting off about freedom of speech the Constitution protects you from the government. You are not protected in the work place when it comes to freedom of expression & free speech.. Most bosses can fire you for just about anything. Your freedom of speech & expression is not protected in the work place.


Well you answered your objection when you said the NFL is letting him get away with it. ........ sort of. The NFL and the 49ers are free to restrict his speech, at least while at work. Since they didn't he is free to kneel or sit as he pleases. I would guess there are no rules in place that state a player has to stand for the national anthem. Jim McMahon protested back in the mid 80's but he was fined for improper uniform not protesting. So there is a precedent.
 
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