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Ty Robinson
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Hard to replace him next year.
Understatement of the young year.
Impossible to replace. Everyone else's job on that defense is getting a lot tougher and people will have to play a lot better.
He played like a 1st or 2nd round pick for us this year. It should be interesting where he winds up. The draft is deep with DTs this year. I heard a scouting report that said Ty is tight in the lower body and that will hinder his potential at the next level.
I don’t see either side of line improving next year -Unless they get even more portal help.
The Oline returns 3 of 5 starters and adds a guy who started at Bama and now apparently Spindler as well. So all projected starters along the line are returning starters. The OLine should be better. It’s hard to replace men as large as Ty and Nash at their level of athleticism. RVP is a younger version of that. They need a second big guy to play on run downs at least. They have Jeudy, Sua, Parrot and the transfer from MS St. as bigger DT types. Maybe the Terry kid coming in adds some weight and gets some reps.
Both Ty and Nash feel like they’re going to be major steals for somebody.
I’d be interested to see either of them under Vrabel
I’d be interested to see either of them under Vrabel
Campbell really transformed him. He was strong but slow/fat under duvall.
Whatever. The stupid shit scouts focus on instead of on the field performance. He went up against top OL all season in the Big 10 and dominated.
Defensive line was a strength this past season and won’t be this year. But maybe they are good enough, because I think the LB and DB rotational talent is better. Rhule hinted at possibly variability in fronts. With a kid like McCullough playing Rover, NU could show a 4-3, 3-4 or 3-3-5 on any play.
RVP might surprise some people.
Probably true. But our DL is the main reason our defense has been what it was under White imo. But you don't lose Ty, Nash, Butler, Sherman, Williams, and even Wallen without some drop off imo. Hard to be a "good" defense in the BIG with "average' DL play imo.
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I've thought for a while now that the key to our defense taking the next step is to get playmakers at the 2nd and 3rd level and get off the field earlier and create more turnovers. I think the OU transfer should help with that. Shavers as well. McGahee has a knack for strip sacks. Wright was our best secondary player.
So, we could have a statistically worse defense but the D could help us win more games.
I think he's going to be a good NFL player. What did Ty NOT do in college? Sacks, batted down passes, 4th down stops, played fullback, blocked kicks. I'm hoping that my Steelers can nab him if he slips to the 3rd round, and I usually don't hope for the Steelers to draft Nebraska guys.
lots of fans are also clueless as to what constitutes a high draft pick
not their fault, of course, since we don't get to see many
We tend to inflate the draft prospects of our favorite players and downgrade guys we have a beef with. It’s always fun to see where they land. Ty has lots of competition for a draft spot at DT. I like both he and Nash’s pro potential better than Vincent Valentine but for some unknown reason Belichick took VV early. I don’t think he lasted 2 full years in the league. I just don’t think Ty and Nash are explosive enough athletes to make much of a mark in the NFL but we’ll see. Best of luck to them. They were very solid players for us and about the best people you could ask for. I didn’t think Harrison Phillips would stick around as long as he did too so….
All it takes is one coach or GM to fall in love with a guy. Mid rounds are still good.
Very true. And really, a lot of these guys have a range that they can fall in. Ty could honestly go 2nd-5th at this point because the DT class is deep. If a team likes Ty, but has him rated about even with four others, they may wait to draft a DT figuring that someone will probably fall to them in the next round. A few teams, like the Steelers, may rate Ty as high as a 2nd rounder. But if a stud DT falls in round one, the Steelers could go DT in the first round and move on to CB and WR in the next couple rounds. It gets more unpredictable the lower a person is rated.
Side note: Tommi Hill did not have a good Senior Bowl week. Scouts said he looked slow. Might have to play safety. I heard that he left the practice field with an injury at one point. I'm not sure that he even played in the actual game.
A very terrible time to get an injury that is a bitch to resolve. My oldest developed into a decent mid-distance runner in HS and developed PF his junior year. PF is not an uncommon affliction for runners and we caught it early. What you are not supposed to do is what Tommi did, try to gut it out. And so his PF played out in the worst possible way.
I think Valentine reminded Bill of Vince Wolfolk, who was an absolute stud and even had the same first name. It's interesting how even the best coaches can make mistakes in the draft and as the years went by, Belichick made a lot of them.
we have known we were going to have to replace 0&9 for a good 2 years. so I'm sure they will be plenty stocked at dt...
anyone who follows NU football knows the blackshirts start front and center, what with Noonan, Peters, Suh and such.
stop the run and win
anyone who follows NU football knows the blackshirts start front and center, what with Noonan, Peters, Suh and such.
stop the run and win
Maliek was always a pretty explosive athlete though. We had a DT back in the 80s who could do standing back flips and I seem to recall Maliek doing one once. I hate to think about the cervical injuries if Ty or Nash tried to do a back flip. 🤔
I rememberMaliek his recruit 40 & for a DT it was like 4.8. I believe!😊
Like the "idea" of having more playmakers on the 2nd and 3rd levels but do we truly have more?
3rd level looks a lot like it did last year. Singelton, Hartzog, Buford, and Wright made up 4/5 spots from last year. If I'm being completely honest that may have been the weakest part of our defense and we return 4/5 of them?; Do we think that's a GOOD thing? If I'm being honest I don't. Love those kids to death but Singelton, Buford, Hartzog have all been in the program at least 3 years or better. Personally I think they are who they are. Good/great kids who IMO aren't good enough to win at the highest level of the BIG. I honestly didn't/don't take "running it back" with them as a blessing. I'd rather see the Jones', Bennings, Sanders, Tarvers, lil Buford, etc have legit shots at hitting the field. To me bringing all those guys back ruins the chance at that. Coaches have shown they are much more apt to rely on experience in these situations. Even when that experience hasn't been successful.
Wright only touched the field due to injury and within 2 weeks was our best DB. Jones didn't get a true shit till the bowl game and almost immediately showed he belonged and looked like he fit. It's these type things that don't get to happen when you bring back those guys imo. See Gotulla on offense. It took TWO injuries to get his chance and guess what? He proved to be every bit as good or better than those upperclassmen ahead of him.
When these guys show you who they are as players believe them. I think coaches and fans alike buy way to much stock in "returning starters". Most have whom have reached their ceiling.
2nd level? I like what I've seen from bothe McGahee and Shavers. Wright kinda fits the category with the others BUT that position is so thin I actually welcome him back and at least thinks he's solid. So again for me I repeat my initial thoughts.
I think our DL will still and ALWAYS be the most important factor in us being a good or not so good defense. More than the second or third levels imo.. Hopefully guys like Lenhardt can get back to his frosh impact, 44 keeps doing what he has. He's gonna be damn good and Judy, K Davis can take huge steps. We need at least an above average DL. You can't hide guys in the BIG. OLs are too good and coaches as well.
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He's definitely the Steelers type of DL. Long arms, productive and tough. I think 3rd may be a round high though. Steelers generallly like younger players with their top picks and Ty has been around a while lol.
I agree with not liking to draft Nebraska players but if definitely see the fit for Ty. Problem is I think Steelers take a DL in the top rounds and I don't think Ty is that. But I also expect them to "double dip" at DL so he could still be alive later.
I think their first two rounds are some form of DL/WR. Could be wrong tho...
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Those younger DBs, especially those who played a bit late in the season, should be competing and definitely be ready to play. The kid from Idaho should be in the mix and we will see about the kid from Georgia. I get the idea of playing the young kids and taking a few lumps for the eventual upside. Rhule doesn’t have that luxury. He’s not moving kids with multiple starts. But there should be sufficient depth now from the young kids and the portals so we have corners playing corner and safeties playing safety. They may play the kids a little differently too with a new DC and a new DB coach.
I don’t know if Watson-Trent has the size to be elite at LB, but he’s been awfully productive over multiple seasons. McCullough is a wild card, he could play Rover, OLB or Edge.
On the DL, they have more ends than tackles.
We gotta talk Steelers and the draft. I've followed the draft since the 80's and I love the the pre draft hype. You're right about the Steelers liking the younger line prospects. And count me in on wanting the Steelers to go defensive line/NT in the 1st round. They made a commitment to build up both lines (like Andy Weidl did when he was with the Eagles) so it only makes sense. That said, we all know that the Steelers were very weak on the outside- at WR and at CB, arguably the worst in the league at those two spots combined. And of course, we currently don't have a QB and only one RB!
The DT class is DEEP so doubling up there makes a ton of sense. I just wish we had more draft picks.
Two words. Team speed. They need a lot more of it. Some of it is just playing faster too. It's odd to play five DBs in your base defense and be considered slow, but that's where we've been. Those bigs on the line made everyone's job a lot easier.
