Troy Walters > Williams

[davecisar]

Most NU fans are very happy and excited about Scott Frost- and are learning about the staff he is bringing along with. Lots of fans were also big fans of Keith Williams- we liked his ability to recruit and relate to players. We admire his unique teaching ability- "savage professionalism". Many of us were hoping he would be retained.

Little did we know- we have an absolute GEM in Troy Walters to replace him:

Pretty impressive resume- someone who will be a head coach SOON

Finalist for Frank Broyles Award- 2017- best assistant coach in country.
As OC- and Receivers coach helped take UCF from 125th in scoring to #1 in 2 years

Prior to UCF he was at Colorado. He was the wide receivers coach at the University of Colorado. His receivers posted the top 3 reception totals in school history-

As player at Stanford- All time leader in receptions and yards- 244/3,986
Single Season leader in receptions and yards
2nd in school history 26 TDs
Single game leader in yards
PAC 12 - leader in career receiving yards
Biletnikoff award winner
Academic All American- STANFORD
All American First Team
Played 8 years in the NFL


31 years young- Lots of Cred with the kids- his coaching resume, his physical ability (grass coach- like Frost) and his record of accomplishment as a College and NFL player

Compare that to Keith Williams resume- I think it stacks up extremely well

One would think any reasonable thinking Receiver would be very interested to learn from a guy with a pedigree like this.

Wish Coach Williams great success in his next position- Im sure he will do very well

 

[dinglefritz]

I guess I'm kind of old school but I never quite understood all the man love for KW. Good coach but I have to agree that having a guy with TW's experience and knowledge of Frost's offense is a step up. JMHO.

 

[coachDubs]

Diaco wasn't just a finalist but he won the Broyles award in 2012. How'd that work out for Nebraska? It didn't. He's more of an outlier though, but that list isn't something to put a stamp on and mail it otherwise it'd get lost.

Morgan & Spielman both broke records in 2017, Morgan as a first time primary target and Spielman playing the position in his first year. With no run game or OL help. Neither accomplishment is something to push to the side & pretend their position coach didn't have a (large?) hand in their success.

Let's quit pretending Keith Williams is a bad position coach. Troy Walters is a good coach as well, and it made (makes) the most sense to have him with Frost for transitional purposes alone.

 

[JohnRossEwing]

Seems like both guys are really good at what they do. With KW probably being the better recruiter.

 

[dinglefritz]

Seems like both guys are really good at what they do. With KW probably being the better recruiter.

We'll see about that one. KW was a better recruiter than what we had before. Now? That's to be determined.

 

[Junah]

Diaco wasn't just a finalist but he won the Broyles award in 2012. How'd that work out for Nebraska? It didn't. He's more of an outlier though, but that list isn't something to put a stamp on and mail it otherwise it'd get lost.

Morgan & Spielman both broke records in 2017, Morgan as a first time primary target and Spielman playing the position in his first year. With no run game or OL help. Neither accomplishment is something to push to the side & pretend their position coach didn't have a (large?) hand in their success.

Let's quit pretending Keith Williams is a bad position coach. Troy Walters is a good coach as well, and it made (makes) the most sense to have him with Frost for transitional purposes alone.

Who would ever call Keith Williams a bad position coach? The regime change does not reflect upon him as an individual. Nebraska’s issues went far beyond Coach Williams. I wish him the best both personally and professionally.

 

[Bugeater]

No reason now to bag on the old staff, best of luck to them. Hopefully the new staff will get the program back to respectability, lot of hard work ahead.

 

[davecisar]

Diaco wasn't just a finalist but he won the Broyles award in 2012. How'd that work out for Nebraska? It didn't. He's more of an outlier though, but that list isn't something to put a stamp on and mail it otherwise it'd get lost.

Morgan & Spielman both broke records in 2017, Morgan as a first time primary target and Spielman playing the position in his first year. With no run game or OL help. Neither accomplishment is something to push to the side & pretend their position coach didn't have a (large?) hand in their success.

Let's quit pretending Keith Williams is a bad position coach. Troy Walters is a good coach as well, and it made (makes) the most sense to have him with Frost for transitional purposes alone.

See my post- about complementing Williams- NO ONE said he was a bad coach. My post said quite the opposite.

However the Morgan and Spielman records are a bit meaningless. Both are very good players- but not impressed with the "records" Most of the yards were piled up in garbage time- especially Spielman. NU throwing every down to catch up, soft defenses trying to not give up the big play and in several games (Penn State and OSU) - against backups.

As to the Broyles Award.
That goes to the Nations best ASSISTANT Coach
Great Assistants dont always make great Head Coaches- but I would take most of these guys who won the award as an assistant- any day:
Year Coach School
1996 Mickey Andrews Florida State
1997 Jim Herrmann Michigan
1998 David Cutcliffe Tennessee
1999 Ralph Friedgen Georgia Tech
2000 Mark Mangino Oklahoma
2001 Randy Shannon Miami (FL)
2002 Norm Chow Southern California
2003 Brian VanGorder Georgia
2004 Gene Chizik Auburn
2005 Greg Davis Texas
2006 Bud Foster Virginia Tech
2007 Jim Heacock Ohio State
2008 Kevin Wilson Oklahoma
2009 Kirby Smart Alabama
2010 Gus Malzahn Auburn
2011 John Chavis LSU
2012 Bob Diaco Notre Dame
2013 Pat Narduzzi Michigan State
2014 Tom Herman Ohio State
2015 Lincoln Riley Oklahoma
2016 Brent Venables Clemson
2017 Tony Elliott Clemson

 

[coachDubs]

Who would ever call Keith Williams a bad position coach? The regime change does not reflect upon him as an individual. Nebraska’s issues went far beyond Coach Williams. I wish him the best both personally and professionally.

There's been plenty of it on this forum the last couple weeks.

See my post- about complementing Williams- NO ONE said he was a bad coach.

I didn't say you did, notice your OP wasn't quoted.

Frost's offense, specifically receivers, are going to put up numbers regardless if their position coach is Walters, Williams, Fisher, Gilmore or Brown.

That goes to the Nations best ASSISTANT Coach
Great Assistants dont always make great Head Coaches- but I would take most of these guys who won the award as an assistant- any day:

No shit, that's why I said Diaco is an outlier.

 

[oldjar07]

Diaco wasn't just a finalist but he won the Broyles award in 2012. How'd that work out for Nebraska? It didn't. He's more of an outlier though, but that list isn't something to put a stamp on and mail it otherwise it'd get lost.

Morgan & Spielman both broke records in 2017, Morgan as a first time primary target and Spielman playing the position in his first year. With no run game or OL help. Neither accomplishment is something to push to the side & pretend their position coach didn't have a (large?) hand in their success.

Let's quit pretending Keith Williams is a bad position coach. Troy Walters is a good coach as well, and it made (makes) the most sense to have him with Frost for transitional purposes alone.

Williams is a good coach but Walters has shown more and proven to work well in Frost's offense. Walters is a no brainer to take over Williams.

 

[jmliehr]

Most NU fans are very happy and excited about Scott Frost- and are learning about the staff he is bringing along with. Lots of fans were also big fans of Keith Williams- we liked his ability to recruit and relate to players. We admire his unique teaching ability- "savage professionalism". Many of us were hoping he would be retained.

Little did we know- we have an absolute GEM in Troy Walters to replace him:

Prior to UCF he was at Colorado. He was the wide receivers coach at the University of Colorado. His receivers posted the top 3 reception totals in school history- went to PAC 12 Title game in 2016

Darrin Chiaverini was the WR coach for the 2016 Colorado Buffalos, Walters was coaching at UCF.

 

[hddude55]

I have no idea who is the better coach but the multiple dui's were a concern. He's not a high school or college kid, which suggests serious addiction issues. I can understand why Riley gave him another chance, but I doubt he would have hired him if the latest incident had occurred within a couple years of the hiring decision.

 

[Husker Todd]

I got no problem with his credentials, he is a very good coach. I have a problem with taking a coach who seems to have tried everything possible not to come to Nebraska.

Call me crazy if you will. I prefer a coach who wants to be here, over a coach who says ah f*ck I guess I'll go to Nebraska when everything else feel through.

I get going for head coaching gigs. But what we were hearing when the head coach jobs didn't materialize, was he tried to stay on in Orlando. But in the end the whole deal soured.

 

[timnsun]

I got no problem with his credentials, he is a very good coach. I have a problem with taking a coach who seems to have tried everything possible not to come to Nebraska.

Call me crazy if you will. I prefer a coach who wants to be here, over a coach who says ah f*ck I guess I'll go to Nebraska when everything else feel through.

I get going for head coaching gigs. But what we were hearing when the head coach jobs didn't materialize, was he tried to stay on in Orlando. But in the end the whole deal soured.

I hear what you are saying, but that doesn’t mean he’s gonna be looking elsewhere as soon as he can, even if it’s a lateral move. He may find he loves it in Lincoln.

Then again, he may be gone next year...

 

[headcard]

Williams is probably the better position coach and recruiter, but Walters was also hired as the OC. He is the eyes in the sky that know Frost system. We were going to hire a guy like that, weather it was Walters or Lubick. Hate to lose KW, but it is what it is.

 

[19Football19]

Seems like both guys are really good at what they do. With KW probably being the better recruiter.

This!!! Very accurate. KW would have had a longer tenure here.

I hope the recruiting changes. We lost a top flight blue chipper and back filled with a 163lb low level 3* for 2 years. I know it’s early, but dang.

 

[JohnRossEwing]

I have no idea who is the better coach but the multiple dui's were a concern. He's not a high school or college kid, which suggests serious addiction issues. I can understand why Riley gave him another chance, but I doubt he would have hired him if the latest incident had occurred within a couple years of the hiring decision.

I have always wondered, when co-workers go out for happy hour after work on a Friday, how many of those people drive home "drunk" according to the law? It has to be a lot. I don't look at that as an addiction and I know it is not totally similar to KW's but it just makes me wonder.

 

[timnsun]

I have always wondered, when co-workers go out for happy hour after work on a Friday, how many of those people drive home "drunk" according to the law? It has to be a lot. I don't look at that as an addiction and I know it is not totally similar to KW's but it just makes me wonder.

Agree, and would have liked having KW still on staff, but...

For me I guess it would only take one time for this to happen and I would make sure it never happened again. It happened to KW 3 times, which is harder to explain away...

 

[Larry Hagman's Liver]

31 years young- Lots of Cred with the kids- his coaching resume, his physical ability (grass coach- like Frost) and his record of accomplishment as a College and NFL player

Actually, 41 years young on Friday, but agree that he can easily relate and walk the talk. Good post.

 

[WestCoastCornhusker2]

Most NU fans are very happy and excited about Scott Frost- and are learning about the staff he is bringing along with. Lots of fans were also big fans of Keith Williams- we liked his ability to recruit and relate to players. We admire his unique teaching ability- "savage professionalism". Many of us were hoping he would be retained.

Little did we know- we have an absolute GEM in Troy Walters to replace him:

Pretty impressive resume- someone who will be a head coach SOON

Finalist for Frank Broyles Award- 2017- best assistant coach in country.
As OC- and Receivers coach helped take UCF from 125th in scoring to #1 in 2 years

Prior to UCF he was at Colorado. He was the wide receivers coach at the University of Colorado. His receivers posted the top 3 reception totals in school history-

As player at Stanford- All time leader in receptions and yards- 244/3,986
Single Season leader in receptions and yards
2nd in school history 26 TDs
Single game leader in yards
PAC 12 - leader in career receiving yards
Biletnikoff award winner
Academic All American- STANFORD
All American First Team
Played 8 years in the NFL


31 years young- Lots of Cred with the kids- his coaching resume, his physical ability (grass coach- like Frost) and his record of accomplishment as a College and NFL player

Compare that to Keith Williams resume- I think it stacks up extremely well

One would think any reasonable thinking Receiver would be very interested to learn from a guy with a pedigree like this.

Wish Coach Williams great success in his next position- Im sure he will do very well

Wow, that is a nice resume. Hopefully, he wins the Broyles award!

 

[Husker.Wed.]

This!!! Very accurate. KW would have had a longer tenure here.

I hope the recruiting changes. We lost a top flight blue chipper and back filled with a 163lb low level 3* for 2 years. I know it’s early, but dang.

There is no guarantee the top flight blue chipper would have signed even if Riley had been retained. We lost highly-touted receivers in February the last two years.

 

[dinglefritz]

I got no problem with his credentials, he is a very good coach. I have a problem with taking a coach who seems to have tried everything possible not to come to Nebraska.

Call me crazy if you will. I prefer a coach who wants to be here, over a coach who says ah f*ck I guess I'll go to Nebraska when everything else feel through.

I get going for head coaching gigs. But what we were hearing when the head coach jobs didn't materialize, was he tried to stay on in Orlando. But in the end the whole deal soured.

He wanted a head coaching job. He didn't get offered either of the couple he wanted. I don't blame him for that AND I would rather have had him wait until he knew he didn't get them than to have him take our OC job then leave after a couple of weeks. With what we're paying him and his relationship with Frost, I don't think he leaves in the near future unless it's to be a head coach.

 

[hddude55]

Agree, and would have liked having KW still on staff, but...

For me I guess it would only take one time for this to happen and I would make sure it never happened again. It happened to KW 3 times, which is harder to explain away...

Yep, unless he is the unluckiest guy in history, getting busted three times suggests he was driving drunk a lot. Unfortunately for him, the most recent DUI was only a year or so ago and given his past will probably make future employment really tough. Does anyone seriously think Frost would have hired him?

 

[dand84]

My brother has roughly 16 DUIs and spent time in SD, IA, and NE jails, he tells me all the time he doesn't have a problem either

 

[hddude55]

My brother has roughly 16 DUIs and spent time in SD, IA, and NE jails, he tells me all the time he doesn't have a problem either

Reminds me of a guy I knew many years ago with a similar history who said he didn't have a problem. He said his wife had the problem: Him. I think a lot of us many years ago used to joke about the topic but at some point it stopped being funny.

 

[JohnRossEwing]

Yep, unless he is the unluckiest guy in history, getting busted three times suggests he was driving drunk a lot. Unfortunately for him, the most recent DUI was only a year or so ago and given his past will probably make future employment really tough. Does anyone seriously think Frost would have hired him?

Shoot, I would think that for every 1 time you get caught...you have probably driven drunk/buzzed like 50 times.

 

[TruHusker]

Not sure why these guys even take the time to complete a resume and apply for jobs. All any head coach or prospect has to do is come on this board and see which coach is better.

I don't know any way to tell who is better without being there a lot. I don't know who is the better recruiter without comparing over time. I don't know which one is a better person without spending some time with them. But people can make all of these extrapolations just by watching a game on TV, reading a few tweets and hearing people talk. Interesting

 

[Archie Graham]

Yep, unless he is the unluckiest guy in history, getting busted three times suggests he was driving drunk a lot. Unfortunately for him, the most recent DUI was only a year or so ago and given his past will probably make future employment really tough.

He's going to be employed. Bank on it.

 

[TheBeav815]

Diaco wasn't just a finalist but he won the Broyles award in 2012. How'd that work out for Nebraska? It didn't. He's more of an outlier though, but that list isn't something to put a stamp on and mail it otherwise it'd get lost.

Morgan & Spielman both broke records in 2017, Morgan as a first time primary target and Spielman playing the position in his first year. With no run game or OL help. Neither accomplishment is something to push to the side & pretend their position coach didn't have a (large?) hand in their success.

Let's quit pretending Keith Williams is a bad position coach. Troy Walters is a good coach as well, and it made (makes) the most sense to have him with Frost for transitional purposes alone.

Oh come now, you know how this works. In order to like one thing, you must automatically hate whatever is not that thing.

Now that he's not the NU WR coach any more, Keith Williams is now eeeeeevil and everything he did was bad! If you like him, you hate the team! And the troops!

 

[rchrisreade]

Oh come now, you know how this works. In order to like one thing, you must automatically hate whatever is not that thing.

Now that he's not the NU WR coach any more, Keith Williams is now eeeeeevil and everything he did was bad! If you like him, you hate the team! And the troops!

And the flag. Don't forget the flag.

 

[huskerssalts]

Williams is a good coach but Walters has shown more and proven to work well in Frost's offense. Walters is a no brainer to take over Williams.

I don’t think Dubs in this thread is trying to say one is better then the other. I believe he’s thinking the same thing as me...it gets old the way SOME are trying to under sale K Williams now that we have Walters. He’s just simply saying both coaches are good and no reason to knock KW. We had a good problem to have, either position coach would have been a good get but Walters MAY be the best fit (we will never know how good KW would do in Frosts system, he may have killed it).

 

[gw2kpro]

Oh come now, you know how this works. In order to like one thing, you must automatically hate whatever is not that thing.

Now that he's not the NU WR coach any more, Keith Williams is now eeeeeevil and everything he did was bad! If you like him, you hate the team! And the troops!

Yep. One doesn't have to be "better" than the other. We had a good WR coach. Now we have another good WR coach.

That's a lot better than having a string of, oh I don't know........ crappy defensive coordinators. Just for arguments' sake.

 

[HuskerBlueDevil]

And the flag. Don't forget the flag.

And what about the children?! Why won't anyone think of the children?!