Total QBR rating, Lee 112th, UCF's Milton 6th
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Are people still saying Lee is a surefire NFL draft pick? Don’t remember seeing people argue very hard for that the last several weeks...
To be honest, no, the last several weeks have not been positive for TL. But to be fair, there were arguments, articles, and endless chatter/posts about him going to the NFL early, what round he would go in, where he stacked up to other college QBs etc.
Obviously, the reality of performance has set in and all is tempered. This probably serves a valuable lesson or three. Don't believe everything that is written, evidence will show up on the field, and don't get in a hurry to plan for the future and speculate on misinformation. To be fair, there of course can be situations we're it is all.true but this seem to be rare these days.
Obviously, the reality of performance has set in and all is tempered. This probably serves a valuable lesson or three. Don't believe everything that is written, evidence will show up on the field, and don't get in a hurry to plan for the future and speculate on misinformation. To be fair, there of course can be situations we're it is all.true but this seem to be rare these days.
Again, most people on this forum were just taking what NFL draft "experts" and former NFL GMs were saying and assuming they knew what they were talking about.
To the OP, I'm going to go out on a limb and say 5'11 165 lb Milton isn't going to play a whole lot of NFL football, so what is the true value of the stat?
To the OP, I'm going to go out on a limb and say 5'11 165 lb Milton isn't going to play a whole lot of NFL football, so what is the true value of the stat?
That Milton kid is a true sophomore too. He got forced into duty last year as a true freshman, either during the Michigan game or the next game. So they improved from 0-12 in '15 to winning 6 games in '16 with a true freshman starting 11 of their games.
Anytime I hear what NFL experts say about QBs, I remember when many of them ripped the Colts for choosing Manning over Leaf...and Leaf to Mike Riley's Chargers became one of the worst second picks in history. And that was years before Leaf became a criminal. BTW, a few years ago Leaf -- as part of his many excuses why he was a flop -- called Riley an idiot, which might be interesting were it not the opinion of a proven criminal and idiot himself!
Of course football message board guy evaluations are spot on 100% of the time. Especially after the fact. I have never made a mistake in judging how a high school football player will do in college because I evaluate 4 years after they graduate from high school. I find that to be more accurate.
There are plenty of people that can look at film and see the physical performance and make a grade. The intangible is the mental and emotional aspect. Those are not always things that can be seen. Saying a player CAN make every throw is easy. No one says he WILL make every throw. QBs with big arms tend to trust it too much. Mark Sanchez is a guy that had insane arm talent in high school and college. When he got to the NFL he couldn't stop himself from trying to thread a needle and he ended up throwing a bunch of picks. In college, those picks were touchdowns for his team. It is hard to coach that mentality out of players. Sometimes you have to let them succeed through failure. Some will never learn.
Read an article that said Riley didn't want Leaf... He wanted an unheralded QB from Michigan named Tom Brady. But the chargers organization told him no. I will see if I can find the article.
Correction... It didn't say he didn't want Leaf... It said Leaf was looking like a bust and Brady was the guy Riley wanted to go after.
http://www.omaha.com/huskers/tom-br...cle_264e276b-b84f-5b38-bcbb-e77f60f40fb4.html
I think the OP's comment was more tongue in cheek...basically stating that maybe MR is not quite the quarterback whisperer some have made him out to be....and that just maybe SF knows what he is doing. I am not sure that I am ready to throw MR under the bus on this issue. I am also not sure TL is nearly as bad as he has looked at times this year.
It was considered a no brainer at the time, everyone was debating weather Leaf should have been #1 or #2. Kind of like Greg Oden and Kevin Durant, it's easy to look back and say drafting Oden #2 was dumb, but no one believed that at the time. I think Riley also had a part in trading up to get Drew Brees in 2001.
No, San Diego drafted Leaf. Doesn't matter because any team with the 2nd overall pick who needed a QB (which SD really needed a QB) was more likely to draft Leaf than any other player once Manning came off the board.
Drafted QB's in the 1998 NFL Draft consisted of;
Payton Manning
Ryan Leaf
Charlie Batch
Jonathan Quinn
Brian Griese
John Dutton
Matt Hasselbeck
Robert Holbrook
Moses Moreno
Not exactly the strongest year for QBs so it makes sense that Leaf would have been drafted 2nd overall by any team who needed a QB.
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I could be wrong, but I don't think they traded for that pick, that was their original 2nd round pick. They traded the number 1 overall pick with Atlanta and Atlanta drafted Vick, and San Diego used Atlanta's #5 pick to get HOF Tomlinson. Brees was falling in the draft because of his size and frame.
You are probably right. I knew Brees went in the second round, I just thought they made some sort of move to get him. Anyway, heck of a first two picks.
Agree, I was trying to be tactful before someone came on here and blew you up for having incorrect info. hahaha
Riley wasn't the GM and for what it's worth I think a lot of teams would have taken him second and probably a few would have taken him over Manning. Bobby Beathard had a big reputation as a GM and he drafted Leaf.
I remember Leaf playing at WSU. He was a big guy with a big arm. I think the question was always his intelligence.
Hey Spinner, put your money where your mouth is. Milton going to be a pro? Of course it really has nothing to do with the stat. It was just a way for the OP to push the Frost agenda.
The value of the stat is the fact that today's modern CFB landscape isn't full of projected NFL Qbs biding their time at the best offenses in CFB. In other words, a starting QB projecting to the NFL is not equal to winning football games or having the most potent offense. GBR
The benefit here is Frost doesn't have to recruit the best pro-style QB or the #1 WRs in HS football to be successful. In fact, a dual-threat QB is essential to his scheme. Is there a benefit to that, at Nebraska, where we have never recruited pro-style or NFL #1 WR that well?
Since Tom won't touch this.. that word NEVER is wrong?
David Humm, Vince Ferragamo are 2 pro style QBs recruited to Nebraska when Nebraska ran a pro-style offense under Osborne, Tagge would also meet that definition under Devaney. All played QB in the league, there are others.
You really need to reevaluate you stance on the whole WR thing. You don't have to have NFL #1 WR to run a successful pro-style offense. You don't like pro-style, so you thing it won't work, then based off nothing tangible, you use your opinion as proof.
We get it you like a dual-threat QB. That doesn't mean the only successful QBs in college football are dual-threat QBs just because that is what you prefer.
So as I stated, the value of the stat is meaningless with regard to NFL draft prospects. Which is what the OP asked.
The top 10 in that stat are a mix of non mobile QBs and mobile QBs. Some will play in the NFL, most wont. The same could be said for every stat in college football.
A statue QB limits the offenses ability to utilize him in the running game, by definition. I am no RPO expert but it seems logical that defenses don't have to scheme Tanner Lee taking off and hurting them with his legs.
As far as #1 WR go, try out recruiting Bama or Clemson or Georgia, in their own backyard, for the best talent at that position. On the other hand, finding 3-4 guys in the 5'8-5'11 range with legit 4.4 speed who can be guaranteed touches in a potent offense like UCFast? Much easier, IMO.
And no, I don't like pro-style offense at Nebraska. Too predictable and easy to defend without elite talent at the skill positions. GBR
Yea, never is wrong. But that would contradict my bombastic, assuming style of posting borderline gibberish content, with a point or two to be made along the way...
Relax. It was a joke. I have no clue if the kid has pro-potential or not. But hey Russell Wilson is 5'11, so I wont rule it out based on how tall he his. And I am not stating you really are either. Just thought it was funny.
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