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at this!Disagree.... As much of a bonehead as he is, he was s good player and left is vulnerable at a tough spot...
No.... But I think it makes us better where we were the worst...
I DO think we win of TA and Westy play
Good lord. I love every time the Huskers lose, all the football experts turned message board trolls respond with the same old garbage of firing the coach. Fire Solich, Fire Callahan, Fire Bo, Fire Riley. It's so simple to win if the coaches knew as much as I do.....
Nebraska was never going to win today in Tennessee vs Tennessee without their QB, best WR and all conference Safety. The fact the team had a shot to win this game, as late as it did, was surprising. And I'm confident they probably would have won without the injuries and suspensions.
While it wasn't always convincing, all in all, the coaches did a decent job this year to win 9 games and have the team in the hunt into early November. Bottom line is this team has the lowest level of talent in Lincoln since the pre-Devaney era due to the horrible recruiting of the Pelini staff. That's a fact. The starters are mostly serviceable guys with a handful (3-4) of all-conference type players sprinkled in. The depth, thereafter, is questionable at best. Is that Riley and company's fault? The greatest example is at QB. Fyfe is a great story that Nebraskans eat up. The walk-on that worked his rear off to one day start. And I applaud him but let's be honest, he is the worst QB I have ever seen play, let alone start, for the Huskers. You just aren't going to win versus a team like Tennessee with him as the QB. Is it Riley's fault that he inherited a team with a scout team QB as his #2 QB? And throw in injuries to Westercamp et al, the offense was screwed. Not much the OC can do when you have a QB that is so bad, the defense is loading the box every play because he (or a one-legged Tommy) can't throw the ball. On defense, there were an equal amount of holes, issues depth/talent wise. While the last few games were a set back, I thought Banker did a decent job through most of the season (and I'll be the first to admit I wasn't much of a Banker fan after last year).
I think Riley and staff took a reasonable step forward this year. They need to close out this recruiting cycle well to keep the momentum going and hopefully win 9-10 games next year because clearly there will be some question marks going into next year with the QB position.
Nebraska was never going to win today in Tennessee vs Tennessee without their QB, best WR and all conference Safety. The fact the team had a shot to win this game, as late as it did, was surprising. And I'm confident they probably would have won without the injuries and suspensions.
While it wasn't always convincing, all in all, the coaches did a decent job this year to win 9 games and have the team in the hunt into early November. Bottom line is this team has the lowest level of talent in Lincoln since the pre-Devaney era due to the horrible recruiting of the Pelini staff. That's a fact. The starters are mostly serviceable guys with a handful (3-4) of all-conference type players sprinkled in. The depth, thereafter, is questionable at best. Is that Riley and company's fault? The greatest example is at QB. Fyfe is a great story that Nebraskans eat up. The walk-on that worked his rear off to one day start. And I applaud him but let's be honest, he is the worst QB I have ever seen play, let alone start, for the Huskers. You just aren't going to win versus a team like Tennessee with him as the QB. Is it Riley's fault that he inherited a team with a scout team QB as his #2 QB? And throw in injuries to Westercamp et al, the offense was screwed. Not much the OC can do when you have a QB that is so bad, the defense is loading the box every play because he (or a one-legged Tommy) can't throw the ball. On defense, there were an equal amount of holes, issues depth/talent wise. While the last few games were a set back, I thought Banker did a decent job through most of the season (and I'll be the first to admit I wasn't much of a Banker fan after last year).
I think Riley and staff took a reasonable step forward this year. They need to close out this recruiting cycle well to keep the momentum going and hopefully win 9-10 games next year because clearly there will be some question marks going into next year with the QB position.
1. You have to give credit to Fife, he played a good game - especially when we were spotting them a down every series. WTF DL! The only person in the stadium who didn't know we were going to run on first down was the foreign exchange student from eastern Bulgaria who was only in the stadium to play the glockenspiel with the Tennessee Jazz Ensemble at half-time.
2. Gerry may not have altered the outcome of the game, but when the captain of the defense can't be bothered to give a sh*t..... then you need a paradigm change in your organization.
3. We can talk recruiting til the cows come home. All the talent in the world won't help if you don't have the right leadership. "Aw shucks" might get you a .500 record in the PAC-12, but it doesn't work in the NFL, and it is not going to work in the BIG 10.
2. Gerry may not have altered the outcome of the game, but when the captain of the defense can't be bothered to give a sh*t..... then you need a paradigm change in your organization.
3. We can talk recruiting til the cows come home. All the talent in the world won't help if you don't have the right leadership. "Aw shucks" might get you a .500 record in the PAC-12, but it doesn't work in the NFL, and it is not going to work in the BIG 10.
I assume most people on this board watched every second of this year's Husker games as I did. Today's bowl game seemed to me to be the least anticipated bowl game in my nearly 50 years of being a Husker fan. Are we fans getting that apathetic? Have we learned to take poor play in stride and not get our hopes up? Today, I feel like I wasted a day. I could have been up on our local hill having fun skiing. I won't make that same mistake in the morning.
In all fairness malone is possibly the best route runner in college who catches everything thrown his way and jennings is good enough he took jalen ramsey's shhoes all day when we played florida...ramsey is one of the 3 best cb's in college. So thats some good competition at wr you guys were playing last night.
This is beyond stupid. Leadership comes from players, not from a yelling and screaming had coach.
A major part of coaching is teaching and cultivating player leadership. And with a lack of player leadership, then the coaches have to shoulder that load. They ain't in that high a position and get paid that money just to recruit and call plays.
Absolutely they are expected to cultivate leaders, but the idea that the head coach can simply just yell and scream and dictate every move and everything will be great is asinine. I can guarantee you that anyone who feels that way has never led an organization. Great teams are led by the players, like we were under TO, not by tyrannical control freak head coaches.
I think you are the only one talking about yelling and screaming though. Maybe I'm misreading?
Check out the original post I quoted. "Aw shucks" might get you a .500 record in the PAC-12, but it doesn't work in the NFL, and it is not going to work in the BIG 10." Pretty clear what he's saying. But I guess it could just be me.
In no way would TA played as well as RF. He probably turns it over several times and the Vols probably win by 24 or more.
Vol fan here. Hope you don't object if I give my opinion? Obvious Nebraska is not the same team without 3 of your most productive players. I certainly understand your frustrations. IMO, Armstrong was your biggest loss. Barnett, teed off all day without any expectation of holding the edge. Your QB played as well as you could expect but he was basically a stationary target. I know very well that we did not get Nebraska's best. I think both programs are obviously shells of what they once were. To be blunt and honest I do not think either coach can get either program to where they want to be. Both coaches are great people off the field but how many games will that get you? Just wanted to let you know I feel your pain.
^^^ All of this, guys. This is exactly right. I was glad we were even remotely in that Tennessee game, and the reason why we lost is simply a difference in talent level right now. The OWH did a great write-up of the average level of talent out there, and because we had so many walk-ons starting and people injured, plus just general talent pool, we were completely outclassed.
Riley is a good coach. Most of the coaches he has working for him are good coaches. They need to RECRUIT and we need to see what happens over the next 2-3 years. That will show us a lot.
Everyone yelling about firing the coaching staff is not only over-reacting, they're stupid. You can't blow through coaches THAT fast, because if you do, no good coach will come here. On top of that, you have to give these guys a chance to really build players through a full 4 year cycle.
Im excited to see how we finish out this recruiting cycle, and hope for a top 20 class. A top 20 class this year and next year will go a long way towards putting us back up there in terms of great games against quality opponents.
Have a happy new year all! GBR!
I think that may be more true of Tennessee right now than it is of us, honestly. You guys have a virtual wealth of talent in your back yard that you can constantly recruit from; if you guys aren't whipping your division regularly, then sure, it's perhaps a coaching problem. I had a similar argument for why Georgia was right to fire their coach; with the top recruiting classes they always landed, that guy did absolutely nothing with them.
I agree too that Nebraska and Tennessee are shells of their former selves (this is also true of Miami); both programs up until 2001 were pretty darn competitive teams. I think you guys have probably had more good years than we have since then, but both programs need to be rebuilt. I think its possible you guys may want to look at coaching, while I think we simply need to recruit better, since you guys have great players already.
Just my two cents.
Thanks for dropping in!
Do we win if they weren't missing their 7 starters and playing their 4th and 5th string DT? Let that sync in.
I know Pelini broke your heart, but let it go.... No where did I mention - or refer to - a yelling or screaming head coach. So yes, it's just you.
When you watch the bowl games there are dozens of examples of where the head coach cultivates leadership in his organization (without yelling or screaming). And part of that is holding other leaders accountable.
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But you did say his "aw shucks" can't get it done, a pretty clear message. No reason to back peddle now.
Just like Minnesota and Wyoming are "damn good teams" haha-- the facts are Nebraska got lucky this year playing only 3 decent teams---the rest of the schedule was crap.
I was reading with interest until you stated "Riley is a good coach"- the dude is a CAREER .500 coach--and BEFORE he came to Nebraska he had 3!!!!! losing seasons out of the last 5 years he was there. And my friend that lives in Bend,Oregon that graduated from OSU said their still suffering from Riley's inept recruiting classes over his last 7 years. Riley--- nice guy-NOT a good coach.
Every team has injuries all year long and especially this time of year. Using the injury excuse to justify losses is never used by really good programs.
Thanks for pointing this out, but we aren't a really good program anymore.
The really good programs can endure through the injuries... even Tennessee is a good example of that yesterday. We are not.
Which is why you have to recruit or develop depth. Good programs don't have to turn to walk-ons or play injured guys.
Exactly. Point to a good program that has withstood injuries. I bet you won't find them. Those that have are upper echelon.
Edit: withstood injuries and remained good that is...
Not back-peddling at all - "aw shucks" isn't going to work. I was just reiterating that there was no mention of "a yelling and screaming head coach" as the right answer in my initial post. Not sure if it is a struggle with reading comprehension or your desire to misconstrue things for the sake of argument so I defer to whatever asinine post you have next....
