Thoughts...on mandated 4-weeks vacation?
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FWIW I call B'S on not losing vacation. I work for wells Fargo and lost 37.5 hours this feb(?) Because I rolled them over but didn't use them fast enough after the roll over.
Just curious; did you still get paid for those 37.5 hours? Basically I know you can't use those hours for vacation purposes, but did you still get paid for those hours instead?
I don't work at Wells Fargo, but we have a firm "Use or Lose" date (usually the first or second Friday in January). We can carry over 240 hours from year to year, but anything above that is forfeited. The later half of December is usually a ghost town in my office.
Lately my project constraints have limited my ability to use all of the "use or lose" PTO I have banked in excess of the carry over limit. We do have a leave donation program for employees who have or whose direct family members have serious illness or injury.
But I'd rather have that problem than worry about whether I will even be able to take time off.
In my case (again, not Wells Fargo), no, we don't get any compensation for expiring leave in excess of the carry-over limit. It truly is "use or lose".
I read 45% of milleanials would rather live under socialism or Communism rather than Capitalism.
"The Times They Are A'changin'"
"The Times They Are A'changin'"
Doesn’t surprise me. The lure of an institutionalized system where they can live in mom’s basement and get paid for it is powerful.
Yep, Mark Zuckerburg is pushing the idea of income equality. Each person should get $1,500. a month plus some sort of food assistance. Wouldn't ya know they'd think of this after I worked 50 years. Damn it!
Had this exact conversation with my boss two days ago, and he will be the first to agree with you.
I'm sure your boss remembers this, "The trouble with Socialism is that eventually you run out of other people’s money” — Margaret Thatcher
Or maybe he has a really young company. Or maybe his ambition is to have a relatively small business. Or maybe his business size is what the market bears and it’s still a profitable and sustainable business.
I never understand how people can crap on somebody else’s American Dream.
Same with my company, which is a global company with 450,000+ employees.
I usually take 2-3 weeks vacation in December trying to use up "use or lose" vacation.
We do get 1 week carry-over which I have continually carried over for a few years now.
Principal in Des Moines has "unlimited vacation":
http://www.desmoinesregister.com/st...-giving-workers-unlimited-vacation/529936001/
I can't believe anyone would think this is a good idea.
Americans are spoiled and have no idea how good we all have it or how we got this far.
Americans are spoiled and have no idea how good we all have it or how we got this far.
Figured I would throw this in here for the sake of levity...
https://www.theonion.com/report-many-companies-now-offering-women-permanent-un-1819577044
https://www.theonion.com/report-many-companies-now-offering-women-permanent-un-1819577044
Unlimited vacation is one of those things that sounds amazing but it’s actually horrible. It was mentioned earlier that people don’t take their given vacation time for fear of losing their job, from my understanding, that’s the exact same thing here. ‘You have as much as you need,’ but that means abuse will be fired and not using any will be rewarded. I would much rather have a defined amount of time off.
No f'ing way I am accepting 2 weeks of unpaid vacation. Can't cover my nut if that happened.
I start getting 4 weeks paid in January (based on years of service) plus the normal holidays - and funeral, jury, etc PAID if I need it. We don't have sick days - but I think that is pretty common - most companies have gone to PTO days - but start at 3 weeks (assuming you will use a few for being ill).
I start getting 4 weeks paid in January (based on years of service) plus the normal holidays - and funeral, jury, etc PAID if I need it. We don't have sick days - but I think that is pretty common - most companies have gone to PTO days - but start at 3 weeks (assuming you will use a few for being ill).
I can't speak for all states but in Nebraska lose it or lose it is illegal. They have to reimburse you for unused vacation time as it is an earned benefit they can't take away.
Here is a link to the states that have laws against it as of 2014.
http://employeeatty.blogspot.com/2014/12/states-with-pro-employee-laws-no-use-it.html
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When you say, mandate, do you mean pass a law requiring one person give another person something for nothing in return?
Having lived and worked in Silicon Valley now for over about six years, this post reminds me how lucky we have it in regards to this sort of thing. Not all, but most (or at least the smartest IMO given competition for top talent) tech companies offer unlimited PTO and/or very liberal work/life balance policies (WFH, etc.). That said people work their asses off here, and output is ridiculously high. This involves mostly salaried knowledge work, however I think labor work could thrive with this as well. I know I’m much more productive output/hour when I’m allowed ample time to get away and recharge. Millennials thrive in this type of culture which allows freedom around work/life choices, not being babysat, and are actually extremely productive and motivated. The generation after millennials are freakishly smart and productive and will want even more independence...
Also, Australians (and many other countries) take around 6 weeks vacation a year, this includes knowledge and labor workers, they are extremely active, happy and healthy (perhaps minus all the beer ha), and are also highly productive.
Argument: 2 weeks of vacation is criminal, and managing these days off demoralizes your best employees. If Americans took 4-6 weeks off a year, we would be more productive during the 46-48 weeks we worked, and we’d be much happier healthier.
Also, Australians (and many other countries) take around 6 weeks vacation a year, this includes knowledge and labor workers, they are extremely active, happy and healthy (perhaps minus all the beer ha), and are also highly productive.
Argument: 2 weeks of vacation is criminal, and managing these days off demoralizes your best employees. If Americans took 4-6 weeks off a year, we would be more productive during the 46-48 weeks we worked, and we’d be much happier healthier.
I would like to point out that the POLL is weighted in favor of this idea 38 to 29 meaning over 50% of the voters are in the same predicament than I...they have far less vacation than some of you other folk or simply cannot take it without fear of their employment. (91% of full-time U.S. workers receive paid vacation, according to the Center for Economic and Policy Research, but only 49% of LOW-WAGE workers & workers gave up 658 million unused vacation days and 222 million of those days cannot be rolled over or exchanged for money). My point being is that, yes, some Americans have it much better than others and to those who said, go chase what you want out of your career, well that isn't exactly an option or as easy for many Americans that suffer from ailments, disabilities or those who can't afford to pursue schooling to move up the food chain. I won't even go into the fact that "our unemployment rate is down and the job market is good"...upper tier employees think that's wonderful but these are revolving door low-wage jobs. Do I personally think that my idea is the right idea? No, as a matter of fact I would be pushing for a mandatory minimum of 4-weeks+ but I knew that wouldn't blow over well with the realists. I, of course, believe in the possibility of a "perfect world" but the divide between those who have hopes and dreams and those who just accept this country as it is or use perception to claim we have it better than everyone else so why do we need more mentality is troubling. Selfishness is the problem I see...every man for himself (united we do not stand). To those of you who have 4-weeks+ vacation, how can you look at your children or family members and say 1 or 2 weeks paid vacation is acceptable...that's time you could be spending with them or they could be spending living a full-filling life. How are you deserving of more than anyone else in this society (of course in perspective we have it good...or look at the vacation numbers of other countries and tell me we have it "good"). I am a very open-minded individual and fully appreciate all responses, I've gathered a lot of good opinions and knowledge out of this. It even humbles me to think that a child dies every 10 seconds due to starvation and I'm bitching about vacation...but there you have it, perspective is a nasty critter. Just because I have it better, I should be content and enjoy what I have and not have any concern for the others that are suffering. I separated myself from the material world as much as possible, sold and donated over 75% of my belongings and just then is when I realized we are being dooped into working our lives away so we can possess irrelevant items and support some American's dreams of being rich, all the while, destroying our planet. The biggest frustration with many is that the Millennials don't want to work soo much...well no sh*t...I think some people are jealous that they figured it out 30 years sooner than the rest of us. Could it be possible that if people had more time off, they'd be more apt to think about their lives and those who surround them and with that time: volunteer to help the needy, fight for change, protest a better life and much more logical spending of our taxes to help the masses? So there you have it...my final thoughts on the matter and I apologize for any hasty remarks as I am very passionate about seeing "real change" in this country, just wishing for a much better Collective Consciousness out of us all.
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