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The morning after

Iowa beat Penn State because Clifford left the game with an injury, just like Nebraska beat Ohio State in 2011 because Braxton Miller left with an injury. Most Nebraska fans are honest enough to admit the reason they beat Ohio State in 2011, but I doubt that any Iowa fans are honest enough to admit the reason they beat Penn State on Saturday.
When Clifford walked down the tunnel Iowa had just scored a TD making it 17-10 and momentum was clearly in Iowa's favor, especially after denying PSU (with the almighty Clifford at the helm) the end zone on their previous series AND having shown that the Iowa offense was starting to "get their legs" in the series before that. That's a 1 score game with momentum behind Iowa at the point Clifford left, boys and girls.

To say that if Clifford would have remained in the game PSU would have won takes quite a stretch of the imagination.
 
some folks want to revise HISTORY with wishful thinking. So lets imagine what was more likely.

If the injured Clifford had stayed in the game, he would have thrown a pick 6 to bring the score to 17-17. If he was still mobile by halftime, they would have replaced him for throwing 3 ints including the pick 6. An injured QB is a liabilty.
 
some folks want to revise HISTORY with wishful thinking. So lets imagine what was more likely.

If the injured Clifford had stayed in the game, he would have thrown a pick 6 to bring the score to 17-17. If he was still mobile by halftime, they would have replaced him for throwing 3 ints including the pick 6. An injured QB is a liabilty.
if we revised history to erase everyone ever born in iowa, I honestly don't know if we'd even need lose a single page from the history books

certainly wouldn't need much white out in the college football history books

you losers cannot get out from under our shadow no matter how hard you try
 
some folks want to revise HISTORY with wishful thinking. So lets imagine what was more likely.

If the injured Clifford had stayed in the game, he would have thrown a pick 6 to bring the score to 17-17. If he was still mobile by halftime, they would have replaced him for throwing 3 ints including the pick 6. An injured QB is a liabilty.
How about IF Clifford didn’t get injured is the point not IF he keeped playing after the injury…

I didn’t see much of the second half cause I was tailgating and went to the stadium after Penn St first possession but the first half Clifford was making more play than Petras was by far….
 
When Clifford walked down the tunnel Iowa had just scored a TD making it 17-10 and momentum was clearly in Iowa's favor, especially after denying PSU (with the almighty Clifford at the helm) the end zone on their previous series AND having shown that the Iowa offense was starting to "get their legs" in the series before that. That's a 1 score game with momentum behind Iowa at the point Clifford left, boys and girls.

To say that if Clifford would have remained in the game PSU would have won takes quite a stretch of the imagination.
Don’t be dense. Clifford could complete a pass and was at least a threat to iowa. 17 points is proof of that. Roberson came in and did absolutely nothing. NOTHING! He was beyond terrible. 4/17 or something like that with two INTs? Come on… Clifford completed 15 passes and was moving the sticks.

And no, it wasn’t because Iowa picked up their game. Why does Iowa fan have a hard time accepting that penn state could have won with their starter at QB rather than their backup? Most fan bases logically accept that the backup is worse than the starter. Why doesn’t Iowa fan get that?
 
some folks want to revise HISTORY with wishful thinking. So lets imagine what was more likely.

If the injured Clifford had stayed in the game, he would have thrown a pick 6 to bring the score to 17-17. If he was still mobile by halftime, they would have replaced him for throwing 3 ints including the pick 6. An injured QB is a liabilty.
This is amazing!

After the game was over did you go bang Kate Upton?
 
How about IF Clifford didn’t get injured is the point not IF he keeped playing after the injury…

I didn’t see much of the second half cause I was tailgating and went to the stadium after Penn St first possession but the first half Clifford was making more play than Petras was by far….
The fact is, he did get injured. Campbell hit him and Clifford couldn't play anymore. Erasing that fact can't be done. Pretending that penn st woulda, coulda, shoulda won isn't reality.
 
Don’t be dense. Clifford could complete a pass and was at least a threat to iowa. 17 points is proof of that. Roberson came in and did absolutely nothing. NOTHING! He was beyond terrible. 4/17 or something like that with two INTs? Come on… Clifford completed 15 passes and was moving the sticks.

And no, it wasn’t because Iowa picked up their game. Why does Iowa fan have a hard time accepting that penn state could have won with their starter at QB rather than their backup? Most fan bases logically accept that the backup is worse than the starter. Why doesn’t Iowa fan get that?
Why do you have a hard time accepting that Iowa knocked Clifford out of the game and anything other than that reality is... fantasy. More woulda, coulda, shoulda.
 
Why do you have a hard time accepting that Iowa knocked Clifford out of the game and anything other than that reality is... fantasy. More woulda, coulda, shoulda.
Now I’ll say don’t be dense to you as well. My post was in response to turkey, not you… he claimed you guys would have won even if Clifford was in the game. My beef isn’t with you. It’s with turkey.

Get it?
 
Why do you have a hard time accepting that Iowa knocked Clifford out of the game and anything other than that reality is... fantasy. More woulda, coulda, shoulda.
Ah ha! So you admit that Iowa players TRY to hurt people. BUSTED!

Actually, I don't care, I accidentally caught like 15 minutes of that game and it was like watching Terms of Endearment.
 
Don’t be dense. Clifford could complete a pass and was at least a threat to iowa. 17 points is proof of that. Roberson came in and did absolutely nothing. NOTHING! He was beyond terrible. 4/17 or something like that with two INTs? Come on… Clifford completed 15 passes and was moving the sticks.

And no, it wasn’t because Iowa picked up their game. Why does Iowa fan have a hard time accepting that penn state could have won with their starter at QB rather than their backup? Most fan bases logically accept that the backup is worse than the starter. Why doesn’t Iowa fan get that?
How can you say this? I know that the popular Nebbie spin is that when Clifford left the game the score was 17-3. That's a dishonest take. IAs very next drive resulted in a TD making the score 17-10, when Roberson first stepped on the field. I don't think it's unreasonable in any form for fashion to believe IA could overcome a 7 point deficit, even with Clifford.
 
How can you say this? I know that the popular Nebbie spin is that when Clifford left the game the score was 17-3. That's a dishonest take. IAs very next drive resulted in a TD making the score 17-10, when Roberson first stepped on the field. I don't think it's unreasonable in any form for fashion to believe IA could overcome a 7 point deficit, even with Clifford.
Now you are changing your tune… I get it. Now it’s that “Iowa could overcome a 7 point deficit.” Not would, but could. You see, that changes the whole argument.

But that’s not what you said. You said, and I quote, “To say that if Clifford would have remained in the game PSU would have won takes quite a stretch of the imagination.”

Now I know how to read between the lines here… it’s quite a stretch to think the guy who led his team to 17 points in the first half couldn’t get 7 more in the second half (23-20 final score, 1 TD gives Penn Stste the victory). This is what you are saying.

That is, until you have been called out. Now it’s “Iowa could overcome a 7 point deficit.” This is a lot less convincing and open to interpretation. This is a flip flop worthy of some of our best posters over here on this board. Well done!
 
I mean, probably not?!?! Hahaha

PSU was up big and controlling the game and then Jimmy Walkon had to come in and it was still a last second win.
If big is up by 7 when Roberson came in. Roberson was a walk on? Last second? Did Iowa score in the last second? You inspire so many questions grasshopper.

 
Well if you think that Ioway would have won regardless isn‘t reality either..
So if a fantasy (clifford not getting injured and leaving the game) isn't true, then there is some other reality out there? Some parallel universe where Clifford doesn't get hurt and Penn St wins?

Sorry, we live in this world, this reality. Hopefully Clifford returns soon.
 
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So if a fantasy (clifford not getting injured and leaving the game) isn't true, then there is some other reality out there? Some parallel universe where Clifford doesn't get hurt and Penn St wins?

Sorry, we live in this world, this reality. Hopefully Clifford returns soon.
Bro, thanks, that is awesome.

Soooo, have fun over on the Iowa site!
 
So if a fantasy (clifford not getting injured and leaving the game) isn't true, then there is some other reality out there? Some parallel universe where Clifford doesn't get hurt and Penn St wins?

Sorry, we live in this world, this reality. Hopefully Clifford returns soon.
We’re not saying it isn’t true.. We’re saying Penn St a better team with Clifford as Penn St QB than Ioway is..
 
I thought we would lose to Michigan in a close game and we did. Not saying this to brag, but to highlight why I am not crushed by this loss. Disappointed? Hell yes. We once again had a chance to beat a ranked team and pissed it away. But I am not despondent. Some takeaways:
1. We are close. We are a good team. Now we need to finish strong.
2. After Iowa got lucky (Sean Clifford was ripping them) and beat PSU there was little hope of us winning the West anyway. So now we play for a bowl invite. I just hope the players don’t lose heart.
3. Martinez reminds me of Tommy Armstrong because, like Armstrong, it is feast or famine. Tommy was an incredible athlete and made some amazing plays. He was also a turnover machine and often made brain fart mistakes. Ditto Martinez. He was good enough last night to win that game for us. He also lost it for us with that stupid as hell fumble. Just like his interception in overtime against MSU. Inexcusable.
4. Our play calling was, once again, puzzling and frustrating. We wasted too many plays trying to run Rahmir up the gut and right into Michigan’s greatest strength: defensive line run stopping. And why was Yant not used more, especially inside the 10? In my opinion our tight ends were also under utilized. Maybe Michigan had them covered. I don’t know. I also wonder why we did not run more option plays. They were working. Fear of turnovers perhaps? Finally, I know rolling out your QB on designed rpo plays cuts the field in half and limits throwing options. But crimony, Martinez is our best running threat and often busts long running plays. Granted, that is usually when he is scrambling to avoid the rush, but I still think rolling him out could have sprung him loose.
5. I bet at the end of the game Frost wished he had kicked the field goal on our first drive. Culp has settled down and my hunch is he would have made it. Still… part of me likes the fact we went for it. Make a statement early. Hindsight is 20/20.
6. Our defense clearly got tired. So did theirs. It was a physical game. But it does make me wonder if our defensive line depth is as improved as we have been led to believe.
7. We will lose to Ohio State. That will give us five losses. But we have the ability to go 7-5 and make some noise. I hope Iowa keeps winning. Nothing would bring me greater pleasure than ruining their perfect season on Black Friday. They have a good defense. But Clifford was killing them until he got injured. In my opinion, had he not gotten hurt PSU would have won by two touchdowns. So Iowa is beatable.
8. If we finish strong, losing only to OSU, and perhaps Iowa, we end 6-6. If we do I think Frost stays. We have a ton of players coming back next year. And an easier schedule.
8. Don’t lose heart Husker nation! GBR!
Huskers can play with anyone left on the schedule. That includes Iowa and Ohio State. Little margin for error in any of them.

I've been reading a lot about Clifford's injury. People would be surprised if they knew his QBR against Iowa was 93.1, while Petras's was 122.5.

I don't think it's a given the second half was going to be comfortable for Clifford.

It was a 7 point lead when he got knocked out. Yes, he had engineered 1 long TD drive, and one shorty with the wind at his back (it was a swirly, windy day when neither team threw well going south)...Iowa had one short one for a fg and one long grinder for a td to make it 17-10. It was a one possession game when the PS back-up entered.

On Clifford's last drive Iowa started figuring things out and popping him. They seemed to adjust to how penn state was 'setting' the defense pre snap to take away his runs. He got 36 yds on 3 carries, all on 3rd down passing plays. Clifford didn't eclips 60% and 2 picks during his Under the Parkers, Iowa always adjusts after 1Q, always.

Penn State did muster 3 points in the second half....meaning the Iowa went from giving up 17 second half points through 5 games, to now giving up 20 second half points over games. Those guys can play defense.

But, indeed, once he went out, everyone on both sidelines knew that Iowa's Offense would have to win it. They did and they were the one's with the few and far between explosive plays in the game.

That said, if the Huskers get gratitas breaks on the injury front (AM can not get hurt), they can certainly go into the Iowa game with a legitimate chance.
 
Now you are changing your tune… I get it. Now it’s that “Iowa could overcome a 7 point deficit.” Not would, but could. You see, that changes the whole argument.

But that’s not what you said. You said, and I quote, “To say that if Clifford would have remained in the game PSU would have won takes quite a stretch of the imagination.”

Now I know how to read between the lines here… it’s quite a stretch to think the guy who led his team to 17 points in the first half couldn’t get 7 more in the second half (23-20 final score, 1 TD gives Penn Stste the victory). This is what you are saying.

That is, until you have been called out. Now it’s “Iowa could overcome a 7 point deficit.” This is a lot less convincing and open to interpretation. This is a flip flop worthy of some of our best posters over here on this board. Well done!
1. Iowa wouldn't have gone into the victory formation with 2:00 left in the game had they been trailing.

Could/Would - my intention was would
 
1. Iowa wouldn't have gone into the victory formation with 2:00 left in the game had they been trailing.

Could/Would - my intention was would
What does this even mean? My contention is that if a healthy Clifford would have been better than a healthy Roberson. I don’t think Iowa would have been in victory formation at all.
 
I thought we would lose to Michigan in a close game and we did. Not saying this to brag, but to highlight why I am not crushed by this loss. Disappointed? Hell yes. We once again had a chance to beat a ranked team and pissed it away. But I am not despondent. Some takeaways:
1. We are close. We are a good team. Now we need to finish strong.
2. After Iowa got lucky (Sean Clifford was ripping them) and beat PSU there was little hope of us winning the West anyway. So now we play for a bowl invite. I just hope the players don’t lose heart.
3. Martinez reminds me of Tommy Armstrong because, like Armstrong, it is feast or famine. Tommy was an incredible athlete and made some amazing plays. He was also a turnover machine and often made brain fart mistakes. Ditto Martinez. He was good enough last night to win that game for us. He also lost it for us with that stupid as hell fumble. Just like his interception in overtime against MSU. Inexcusable.
4. Our play calling was, once again, puzzling and frustrating. We wasted too many plays trying to run Rahmir up the gut and right into Michigan’s greatest strength: defensive line run stopping. And why was Yant not used more, especially inside the 10? In my opinion our tight ends were also under utilized. Maybe Michigan had them covered. I don’t know. I also wonder why we did not run more option plays. They were working. Fear of turnovers perhaps? Finally, I know rolling out your QB on designed rpo plays cuts the field in half and limits throwing options. But crimony, Martinez is our best running threat and often busts long running plays. Granted, that is usually when he is scrambling to avoid the rush, but I still think rolling him out could have sprung him loose.
5. I bet at the end of the game Frost wished he had kicked the field goal on our first drive. Culp has settled down and my hunch is he would have made it. Still… part of me likes the fact we went for it. Make a statement early. Hindsight is 20/20.
6. Our defense clearly got tired. So did theirs. It was a physical game. But it does make me wonder if our defensive line depth is as improved as we have been led to believe.
7. We will lose to Ohio State. That will give us five losses. But we have the ability to go 7-5 and make some noise. I hope Iowa keeps winning. Nothing would bring me greater pleasure than ruining their perfect season on Black Friday. They have a good defense. But Clifford was killing them until he got injured. In my opinion, had he not gotten hurt PSU would have won by two touchdowns. So Iowa is beatable.
8. If we finish strong, losing only to OSU, and perhaps Iowa, we end 6-6. If we do I think Frost stays. We have a ton of players coming back next year. And an easier schedule.
8. Don’t lose heart Husker nation! GBR!
Back away from the crack pipe!
 
So do you think the best thing for Nebraska is to fire Frost? I ask because when I see posts like those that it my assumption, but it often isn’t the case. I feel like we either need to support him or move on from him.
I’ve been done with him for a long time. I think the problems we have are 100% on HCSF. He doesn’t learn, he is stubborn. He makes the same stupid mistakes game after game and year after year. He doesn’t learn from his mistakes. There is no growth in his coaching ability regardless that we have better players now. I do give him that, although while he recruits top-20 classes, most of the best flee after a year or two.
 
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