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The morning after

How has PJ convinced people he has been a success at Minnesota? PJ’s results are still worse than his predecessors, but so are Frost’s. Frost has been a disappointment, but the PJ love is stupid. The guy just lost at home to Central Michigan, but I’m sure that was somehow elite coaching that could only be pulled off by him.
Dont love the guy, dont think hes a great coach, but ...
 
Frost said Yant was benched for going wrong way on a play. I guess some guys can play forever while making mistakes & others are never allowed to make a single one. This is another reason why I believe Frost will never be a.good head coach at Nebraska, he plays favorites.

Everyone keeps saying they want a disciplined team, but then question the coach when he disciplines said player.
 
You are like a battered wife who stays too long. I see the same excuses in this thread I’ve been seeing since day 1 after the first CU game. The simple fact is HCSF lost again. He got out coached again. He made the same stupid mistakes he has been making since his first game here. We got to watch a QB that does not perform in big games lead his team to another loss. Same as always, year after year. Bottom line is that this is another HCSF signature loss.
as opposed to Callahan, Pelini, and Riley signature losses by 40+? I'll take it
 
I don’t want to blow up what’s happening and I’m seeing some good things lately, I don’t want to start over again for the most part either but hearing every week ”we are close“ OR “ we’re so close to winning these games and I really love this team is eventually going to wear thin at some point…

TA has to make SF make some tough decisions about his staff if he is going to hand him another year..
Could not agree with you more. NU HAS to hire a high quality QB coach, regardless if AM returns or not. After almost 4 years in this system, AM should be able to set his feet, hit open receivers (unless someone is in his face), and make quicker decisions to throw the ball or tuck it and get yardage.

NU MUST hire a qualified OL coach. It has become apparent in the last 2 weeks that SF (or whoever it is) that is coaching the OL has made them a much improved OL. If SF has been involved in spending a LOT of time working with the OL, then NU cannot have the Head Coach babysitting a position because the coach is inept.

This bullshit of benching Yant, because he went the wrong way, is poison to a football team. You penalize the talent for making an assignment mistake, but plenty of other starters make assignment mistakes and continue to play.

After being a huge contributor last week, and now being pulled early in the game for a mistake has Yant wondering if he can afford to make another mistake for fear of getting benched.

A big dude like that, you gotta turn 'em loose. You gotta give 'em a chance to go full speed and make an occassional mistake. Maybe as a coach, you call plays that you know HE KNOWS.

I've heard Held say for 4 years that NU calls plays based on the skills and understanding of certain plays. Why did they have Yant in the game in a possible play that he was 100% for sure gonna complete his assignment?

(I seem to recall a penalty on Cam, and I think AM made more than one mistake).

I have been preaching since the first day I became a member here, SF plays favorites and overlooks their on the field mistakes. A great coach has true competition at all positions.

With benching Yant, SF hurt this team. I like Rahmir, but he doesn't administer the physical wallop on a 2 yard gain as Yant does. As we all know, those physical poundings take a toll as the game wears on, and MI was plenty tired on defense.

Agree or disagree, great coaches are great coaches for a lot of reasons.
 
I’m still pissed and I just don’t get how Martinez flips the switch to bad…. He had plenty of pressure on a few of those drives early in the 4th and did well, but man that last 3 minutes was bad.
 
We lose by 2 or 3 TDs last night without Martinez. He is the toughest QB in the conference to defend as he can make big plays down the field and with his feet. No other QB in this conference is that kind of threat.
That's Frost’s responsibility to recruit a QB that can take the position if the starter is so mistake prone. He's had 3 plus years to do so.
 
You're damn right it's his fault. Besides being stripped, he had plenty of open grass on the left side he should have ran towards. He also should have scored in the first quarter if he cuts upfield instead of running towards the sideline. The losingest quarterback in school history finds a way to lose again.
YBD
 
Newsflash: when you run triple option and they give dive looks, you give to the dive

‘Wasted too many downs running rahmir up the middle’

Lol
Maybe he was suggesting a bigger back for those dives.

There were a couple the outside was there as well
 
I thought we would lose to Michigan in a close game and we did. Not saying this to brag, but to highlight why I am not crushed by this loss. Disappointed? Hell yes. We once again had a chance to beat a ranked team and pissed it away. But I am not despondent. Some takeaways:
1. We are close. We are a good team. Now we need to finish strong.
2. After Iowa got lucky (Sean Clifford was ripping them) and beat PSU there was little hope of us winning the West anyway. So now we play for a bowl invite. I just hope the players don’t lose heart.
3. Martinez reminds me of Tommy Armstrong because, like Armstrong, it is feast or famine. Tommy was an incredible athlete and made some amazing plays. He was also a turnover machine and often made brain fart mistakes. Ditto Martinez. He was good enough last night to win that game for us. He also lost it for us with that stupid as hell fumble. Just like his interception in overtime against MSU. Inexcusable.
4. Our play calling was, once again, puzzling and frustrating. We wasted too many plays trying to run Rahmir up the gut and right into Michigan’s greatest strength: defensive line run stopping. And why was Yant not used more, especially inside the 10? In my opinion our tight ends were also under utilized. Maybe Michigan had them covered. I don’t know. I also wonder why we did not run more option plays. They were working. Fear of turnovers perhaps? Finally, I know rolling out your QB on designed rpo plays cuts the field in half and limits throwing options. But crimony, Martinez is our best running threat and often busts long running plays. Granted, that is usually when he is scrambling to avoid the rush, but I still think rolling him out could have sprung him loose.
5. I bet at the end of the game Frost wished he had kicked the field goal on our first drive. Culp has settled down and my hunch is he would have made it. Still… part of me likes the fact we went for it. Make a statement early. Hindsight is 20/20.
6. Our defense clearly got tired. So did theirs. It was a physical game. But it does make me wonder if our defensive line depth is as improved as we have been led to believe.
7. We will lose to Ohio State. That will give us five losses. But we have the ability to go 7-5 and make some noise. I hope Iowa keeps winning. Nothing would bring me greater pleasure than ruining their perfect season on Black Friday. They have a good defense. But Clifford was killing them until he got injured. In my opinion, had he not gotten hurt PSU would have won by two touchdowns. So Iowa is beatable.
8. If we finish strong, losing only to OSU, and perhaps Iowa, we end 6-6. If we do I think Frost stays. We have a ton of players coming back next year. And an easier schedule.
8. Don’t lose heart Husker nation! GBR!
Clifford was far from ripping Iowa when he was knocked out of the game by a great defensive play, he was 15/25 for 146 yds, 2 INT, and 0 TD. Whether he remained in the game or not Iowa is well known for making 2nd half adjustments. The Iowa offense scored 20 pts in the second half against a stellar Penn St D.

Iowa beat Penn St in every measurable statistic on both sides of the ball.
 
Frost said Yant was benched for going wrong way on a play. I guess some guys can play forever while making mistakes & others are never allowed to make a single one. This is another reason why I believe Frost will never be a.good head coach at Nebraska, he plays favorites.
Well the drop off from AM to Smothers is dramatic. We will never win a game with Smothers starting at QB. If Yant doesn’t play who cares? His backup is still decent.
 
Well the drop off from AM to Smothers is dramatic. We will never win a game with Smothers starting at QB. If Yant doesn’t play who cares? His backup is still decent.
After 4 years and you have only one QB you can count on after Vedral left is the other reason besides no ST coaching to detail is another reason why the future doesn’t look bright for this program and SF..
 
Frost said Yant was benched for going wrong way on a play. I guess some guys can play forever while making mistakes & others are never allowed to make a single one. This is another reason why I believe Frost will never be a.good head coach at Nebraska, he plays favorites.
They need to figure out why several of our RB's can't figure out our playbook. Held needs to do a better job coaching imo.
 
That is possible. I think Martinez has hit his ceiling. In my opinion, Frost should hit the QB transfer portal. But he won’t. I think he is happy with his QB room.
I like what Smothers brings to this offense. It's like having Taylor Martinez running it. Both are just adequate passers, but really scare defenses with their legs. Also, I think with Smothers the option will be utilized a good deal more and become more refined. We could have a fun offense with him at the helm.
 
You are like a battered wife who stays too long. I see the same excuses in this thread I’ve been seeing since day 1 after the first CU game. The simple fact is HCSF lost again. He got out coached again. He made the same stupid mistakes he has been making since his first game here. We got to watch a QB that does not perform in big games lead his team to another loss. Same as always, year after year. Bottom line is that this is another HCSF signature loss.
what a lazy take.

year 1, Frost got beaten by #14 Michigan 56-10. this year he almost beats #9 Michigan, along with 2 other top 10 teams. with the exception of Illinois, we've also blown out the teams we're supposed to beat, whereas the past 3 years we were playing tight/losing to the bottom-dwellers.

this Nebraska team would curb-stomp that Colorado team and is leagues above the previous teams. if we had Iowa's cupcake schedule where the only ranked team they play loses their QB we'd likely be undefeated too.
 
what a lazy take.

year 1, Frost got beaten by #14 Michigan 56-10. this year he almost beats #9 Michigan, along with 2 other top 10 teams. with the exception of Illinois, we've also blown out the teams we're supposed to beat, whereas the past 3 years we were playing tight/losing to the bottom-dwellers.

this Nebraska team would curb-stomp that Colorado team and is leagues above the previous teams. if we had Iowa's cupcake schedule where the only ranked team they play loses their QB we'd likely be undefeated too.
Sure...but CU sucks so who cares.
 
After 4 years and you have only one QB you can count on after Vedral left is the other reason besides no ST coaching to detail is another reason why the future doesn’t look bright for this program and SF..

Not sure how the future doesn’t look bright for SF or this program. Toe to toe with three top 10 teams the last month, dam near the entire team back next year against a much easier schedule.
 
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We are close. That’s the mantra. The question is do we ever start winning the close games? I’m not so sure. If we play decent teams or better and our opponent scores 30 points, we find a way to score 27. 20 points, we score 17. We tend to play slightly under our competition no matter what they end up doing. That what seems to be the trend anyway—we find a way to lose by a few points no matter what. So yes, we are close but at the end of the day a loss is a loss, and Frost’s moving ceiling seems to be stuck at “close”.
Good take. If you made a drinking game in the past 4 weeks with the phrase "we're so close" you'd be in the hospital with alcohol poisoning by now. The "close" losses are not a new SF phenomenon. 3+ years in and they simply have not shown the mental fortitude to finish a vast majority of the time. Records don't lie.
 
Good take. If you made a drinking game in the past 4 weeks with the phrase "we're so close" you'd be in the hospital with alcohol poisoning by now. The "close" losses are not a new SF phenomenon. 3+ years in and they simply have not shown the mental fortitude to finish a vast majority of the time. Records don't lie.

Prior to the last month when has anyone said Nebraska is close? I can only think of maybe the end of the 2018 season.
 
Not sure how the future doesn’t look bright for SF or this program. Toe to toe with three top 10 teams the last month, dam near the entire team back next year against a much easier schedule.
Bottom line is we need a more reliable QB that does lose the games but finds a way to win them..

Just saying and everyone agrees it’s all about QB that SF needs to find to win..
 
I like what Smothers brings to this offense. It's like having Taylor Martinez running it. Both are just adequate passers, but really scare defenses with their legs. Also, I think with Smothers the option will be utilized a good deal more and become more refined. We could have a fun offense with him at the helm.
Yes sir! If he has even somewhat TMart's warp 7 speed......he'll be a terrific asset.
 
You are like a battered wife who stays too long. I see the same excuses in this thread I’ve been seeing since day 1 after the first CU game. The simple fact is HCSF lost again. He got out coached again. He made the same stupid mistakes he has been making since his first game here. We got to watch a QB that does not perform in big games lead his team to another loss. Same as always, year after year. Bottom line is that this is another HCSF signature loss.
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I'd like to think the same thing as you do about next year, but we're losing a lot of guys on defense that will be hard to replace. If we go backward on D, I just don't think the O will be able to make up for it. Maybe more confidence helps them win 1-2 of these close games, but I wouldn't expect us to challenge for the west just yet.

If Smothers is our QB next year, then I think we go backward on both sides of the ball which makes getting to a bowl game a reasonable goal. Bummer.
Ya, no. Not with the schedule we have next year.
 
Frost said Yant was benched for going wrong way on a play. I guess some guys can play forever while making mistakes & others are never allowed to make a single one. This is another reason why I believe Frost will never be a.good head coach at Nebraska, he plays favorites.
This is a big mental mistake. I am not questioning benching a kid for not knowing the play.
 
I'd like to think the same thing as you do about next year, but we're losing a lot of guys on defense that will be hard to replace. If we go backward on D, I just don't think the O will be able to make up for it. Maybe more confidence helps them win 1-2 of these close games, but I wouldn't expect us to challenge for the west just yet.

If Smothers is our QB next year, then I think we go backward on both sides of the ball which makes getting to a bowl game a reasonable goal. Bummer.

We might be better on Defense next year.
DE: Thomas
NT: Danniels
DE: Robinson
OLB: Nelson
ILB: Heinrich
ILB: Reimer
OLB: Tannor
CB: Newsome
CB: CTB
S: Farmer
S: NPG

Saftey is a question mark, but that is a ton of returning experience and talent.
 
This is a big mental mistake. I am not questioning benching a kid for not knowing the play.
I think there are situations you let that slide since he let's others slide. This was the situation. You don't rum Johnson to the middle of Michigan's defense. You run Yant to the middle of the defense
 
We might be better on Defense next year.
DE: Thomas
NT: Danniels
DE: Robinson
OLB: Nelson
ILB: Heinrich
ILB: Reimer
OLB: Tannor
CB: Newsome
CB: CTB
S: Farmer
S: NPG

Saftey is a question mark, but that is a ton of returning experience and talent.
If we get Daniels and CTB back, that would be huge. But they're both going to be draft picks, so I don't know why they would come back.
 
If we get Daniels and CTB back, that would be huge. But they're both going to be draft picks, so I don't know why they would come back.

I worry about losing Daniels, CTB is a different story. Not positive his draft stock is any better than last year. Hope DD comes back, he is just now emerging would hate for him to be gone.
 
Good take. If you made a drinking game in the past 4 weeks with the phrase "we're so close" you'd be in the hospital with alcohol poisoning by now. The "close" losses are not a new SF phenomenon. 3+ years in and they simply have not shown the mental fortitude to finish a vast majority of the time. Records don't lie.
Good take. Can you kindly point me to the last time Nebraska was within 1 score or leading in the fourth quarter against 3 different top ten undefeated opponents in a matter of 4 weeks?

Thanks.
 
I think there are situations you let that slide since he let's others slide. This was the situation. You don't rum Johnson to the middle of Michigan's defense. You run Yant to the middle of the defense
That has been the methodology of SF from Day 1.

Kids aren't stupid.

They know some can make mistake(s) and maintain their playing time.
Others make one mistake and off to the bench.

If, as a highly talented kid, come to NE from GA, FLA, etc, you didn't come to sit behind somebody for 3-4 years. Those kids come to play. Some really aren't as good as they think they are, but if they're gonna ride the pine, might as well do it closer to home.

If NU didn't have such an atrocious record of losing kids to the portal over the last 3+ years, I kinda wonder how GOOD NE could actually be at this point. It's hard to imagine we did not lose some potentially really good talent.

Some of those kids see the handwriting on the wall pretty early.

It's what happened. And continued to happen until Trev was hired and apparently set down some parameters with SF. As soon as SF may have felt his job could be in jeopardy, some changes began to be made.

Scott is a really smart guy. He's creative offensively. He's subpar as a game time coach. He puts a team on the field with his heart, and not his head.
He wanted Piper to be his LG. No question about it. It was a matter of friendship. It hurt the OL, it hurt the team.

Only with the oversight of Trev somehow applying pressure to show improvement in the team, did SF make the change to Hixson.

It didn't take long for SF to remove Hixson and install Nouilli. Nouilli was the best player for that position and it's been proven. I can't imagine anyone would argue that Piper is/was better than Nouilli at LG.

I've seen progress in SF in the last month or so since Trev. Until SF becomes committed to put team above his individual fondness of a player, he will only be an average coach.

If he develops that critical aspect that a coach needs and puts team above individual player, then he will have a chance to be a helluva coach.

Agree or disagree that is my opinion.

As far as SF saying that the players all love each other....That is not true, has never been true, and will never be true. Blowing smoke.
 
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Clifford was far from ripping Iowa when he was knocked out of the game by a great defensive play, he was 15/25 for 146 yds, 2 INT, and 0 TD. Whether he remained in the game or not Iowa is well known for making 2nd half adjustments. The Iowa offense scored 20 pts in the second half against a stellar Penn St D.

Iowa beat Penn St in every measurable statistic on both sides of the ball.
Iowa beat Penn State because Clifford left the game with an injury, just like Nebraska beat Ohio State in 2011 because Braxton Miller left with an injury. Most Nebraska fans are honest enough to admit the reason they beat Ohio State in 2011, but I doubt that any Iowa fans are honest enough to admit the reason they beat Penn State on Saturday.
 
Iowa beat Penn State because Clifford left the game with an injury, just like Nebraska beat Ohio State in 2011 because Braxton Miller left with an injury. Most Nebraska fans are honest enough to admit the reason they beat Ohio State in 2011, but I doubt that any Iowa fans are honest enough to admit the reason they beat Penn State on Saturday.
I would imagine a fair amount of Iowans would admit it, just none with chief or turkey or scratch in their names…
 
That has been the methodology of SF from Day 1.

Kids aren't stupid.

They know some can make mistake(s) and maintain their playing time.
Others make one mistake and off to the bench.

If, as a highly talented kid, come to NE from GA, FLA, etc, you didn't come to sit behind somebody for 3-4 years. Those kids come to play. Some really aren't as good as they think they are, but if they're gonna ride the pine, might as well do it closer to home.

If NU didn't have such an atrocious record of losing kids to the portal over the last 3+ years, I kinda wonder how GOOD NE could actually be at this point. It's hard to imagine we did not lose some potentially really good talent.

Some of those kids see the handwriting on the wall pretty early.

It's what happened. And continued to happen until Trev was hired and apparently set down some parameters with SF. As soon as SF may have felt his job could be in jeopardy, some changes began to be made.

Scott is a really smart guy. He's creative offensively. He's subpar as a game time coach. He puts a team on the field with his heart, and not his head.
He wanted Piper to be his LG. No question about it. It was a matter of friendship. It hurt the OL, it hurt the team.

Only with the oversight of Trev somehow applying pressure to show improvement in the team, did SF make the change to Hixson.

It didn't take long for SF to remove Hixson and install Nouilli. Nouilli was the best player for that position and it's been proven. I can't imagine anyone would argue that Piper is/was better than Nouilli at LG.

I've seen progress in SF in the last month or so since Trev. Until SF becomes committed to put team above his individual fondness of a player, he will only be an average coach.

If he develops that critical aspect that a coach needs and puts team above individual player, then he will have a chance to be a helluva coach.

Agree or disagree that is my opinion.

As far as SF saying that the players all love each other....That is not true, has never been true, and will never be true. Blowing smoke.
Well that's one of the main reasons we've had discipline issues under Frost. I know for a fact the way guys like Washington and Manning were treated rubbed some guys the wrong way to the point they transferred out. It's stupid imo to give guys who don't give a crap about staying out of trouble to get on the field like Washington unlimited chances, while guys who are out there every day working their asses off get one chance, then they're in the doghouse. This type of attitude is the reason for our accountability problems where kids don't know the playbook either because they know they won't see much playing time or they're talented enough where they know they won't be taken out of the game for making mistake after mistake. You said you've coached for years, I'd expect you to know this stuff.
 
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