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Rewatched Nebraska-MSU.
Number 10 couldn't hit the broad side of a barn
Number 10 couldn't hit the broad side of a barn
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I wouldn't call RB a dying position. My NFL team is the Rams and McVay utilizes the running back in various ways. His scheme is heavily reliant on a good run game. And with Kyren Williams (and now rookie Blake Corum), they have one of the best backfields in the league. So much of what McVay does greatly depends on having a stud running back. Think back to when Gurley was in his prime. They went to the Super Bowl.
It also keeps the QB healthy.
If there isn't a good RB then the offense is completely one-dimensional unless you have a freak at QB, like Mahomes.
r/cfb is a good aggregate for news, but anytime there is a whiff of politics it immediately become an insufferable virtue-signaling dick sizing.
Any team that wants to win a conference title or make the playoff will need their quarterback to do more than just “not suck”.
I’m ok with Dylan “not sucking” as a true frosh in year 1. After that, he needs to be a playmaker. The kind of qb whose play can cover deficiencies at other positions.
I’m ok with Dylan “not sucking” as a true frosh in year 1. After that, he needs to be a playmaker. The kind of qb whose play can cover deficiencies at other positions.
Those stats would look even worse if fumbles were included 🤮. 3 more days until a new era begins, hopefully
Yeah. I watched the Michigan State game. Number 10 had 2 picks, 2 fumbles lost, and at least 1 pick called back.
Not a dying position by any stretch; RBs are still an essential part of an effective offense. They’ve just been redefined to a small degree due to the passing game’s rapid and effective evolution. RBs used to be (often times) the best/most important player on the offense. Equivalent to or in some cases more important than the the QB. Those days are gone, but the RB is still one of the most effective weapons in a healthy offensive. You just need more of them now, and they need to be versatile. And you won’t get as many touches, teams pass the ball more and require a more diverse RB room.
But… Dominant RBs (top 1%) will still be respected as the best player (or one of) on the field. And they will demand top salaries at NFL level. (or NIL college wise) 5 tool guys, so to speak, will still be regarded as the best of the best. But they’re hard to find…
1. Spead on the edge and ability to take it to the house (elite speed) 2. Size and toughness to run between the tackles (elite physicality) 3. Ability to make people miss (elite agility) 4. Disciplined physical blocker (elite commitment to the position) 5. Catch the ball out of the back field (elite hands/route running)
Just flat out hard to find an elite alfa dog that can do all those things and stay healthy. And most can only do that at a high level for 3-5 years. But, they still exist and will demand top salaries when you can find one.
Andy Reid appreciates a good running attack. Hes got Pachecko and found a stud in Rookie Carson Steele.
Let’s look at some more cherry picked stats: Michigan’s best ranking on offense (after being #2 in not turning the ball over, great passing efficiency) was actually their pass completion percentage - #3 in the nation. They were 117th in “pass play percentage” yet were 76th in passing yards becauseeeeeee…they were 15th in yards per pass! Far more efficient than any of their running stats! Wow! Funny how when you get more yards and completions per pass than almost every other team, you actually throw less passes. Math is fun, isn’t it? Unless it destroys you.
There were 41 other teams with more yards per carry than Michigan (running the ball “at will”) and not a single one of them won the national title. Crazy, Michigan ranked much higher in yards per pass than yards per rush, so one could just as easily argue that they “passed the ball at will”.
Regardless of all this wrongness, @RedMyMind never said anything about being “pass first” like you twisted, in fact the original post re-enforces that we only need to be average at passing, not even as good as Michigan was. All he’s said is compliment the running game, make it easier, like Michigan did. Like others have said, when is the last championship winning QB that didn’t immediately go on to at least be a backup QB in the NFL? It would appear that it is in fact important.
This continues to perfectly illustrate how you completely manufacture arguments out of thin air for no reason other than being a whole crusty douche bag. Let’s see if I get a response that doesn’t include “Chubba Purdy” or “KDS” or any other total non-answer deflection from the subject.
Actually, NFL caliber qb's brought NDSU alot of those titles. Going from NFL qbs to average or above average qbs has brought NDSU to the point of consistently losing to SDSU, and now losing to UND and USD.
The run game at Michigan set up the pass (duh, obviously)
Here’s where you got lost (as usual):
Michigan (and UGA x2 and Bama), of course, did this. Which is why the boxes they faced were always loaded and why their most efficient play - the play action pass - worked so well
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Of course, idiotic. Hence my involvement and highlight of the fact Michigan’s success through the air would’ve been a fraction had it not been for their extremely heavy lean the run game - calling more runs than just 17 schools in the country.
I don’t disagree with anything you posted. It’s all just neither here nor there.
Try and keep up next time you spend all day workshopping a response, sweetheart. You’ll get me one day!
Xoxo
You obviously are misrepresenting my point as usual.
Name one great team that has a dominant run first offense that doesn't have a QB who is a passing threat.
We don't have to look very far to find out what having a piss poor passing QB will get you. Nebraska and Iowa. At best, a false sense of quality as they get dominated by quality teams.
You said my response to this was wrong. How is it wrong? Who says you need to be so dominant at running the ball at will to win games? The idea that you can tell the defense what play you are going to run and still dominate the game is a thing of years past, when the discrepancy between teams was much larger. That is becoming less and less, thus the reason why teams disguise plays in different formations and try to keep teams guessing. Maybe coaches should just get better players and stop worrying about coordinating an offense.
That works against the blind schools but rarely anyone else
a good passing offense is better than a good running offense.
After watching the Michigan/Penn State game, most of their yardage on the ground came from RB draw plays, where the initial thought was pass or RPOs. Corum up the gut over and over did relativity little damage.
They called at least 3 pass plays in the second half. 2 were called back due penalties and 1 was a broken play where QB ran.
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