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Steve Pederson's vision?

Can you imagine if Callahan had kept Pelini.
I have often wondered about that one.

I really liked the guys on Pelini's staff. Heard bad things about his bro, and Bo was, well, a tough character. Then again, Youngstown. But he has a natty leading LSU's defence, that is no fluke. He left BC's office in a huff after getting fired, and considering who replaced him, well, it is definitely food for thought. Most likely BC's biggest mistake.
 
Rhule keeping Uncle Raiola is probably the most consequential staff retention decisions in program history.
 
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Rhule keeping Uncle Raiola is probably the most consequential staff retention decisions in program history.
It sure didn't hurt. At the time I thought it was unrelated to who his nephew was. Now I have to think it played a role in retaining him. I do think Rhule was honest in saying that he clicked with Donovan and thought he was a good fit. The question is whether or not he would have hired somebody from his own tree over Donovan. The continuity and expressions of support from our O linemen he talked to probably helped.
 
It sure didn't hurt. At the time I thought it was unrelated to who his nephew was. Now I have to think it played a role in retaining him. I do think Rhule was honest in saying that he clicked with Donovan and thought he was a good fit. The question is whether or not he would have hired somebody from his own tree over Donovan. The continuity and expressions of support from our O linemen he talked to probably helped.
I think Rhule was satisfied with what Raiola was doing and knew the importance of continued development of the Oline. That he was Dylan’s uncle didn’t hurt, but even at that time, folks were pretty sure he was headed to UGA.
 
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Peterson's "vision" was to completely dismantle a legendary program and build it in his image. Problem was that his approach was fatally flawed for a number of reasons:

1. He didn't take into account that you have a real problem when you fire a coach that won 10 games a year on the heals of a 10 win season. A coach who took us to the title game with mostly his players just 2 years before. Was Frank the answer long term? That debate has raged for 20 years and still rages, but there is no question that there hasn't been a time since that the program was in better shape than it was at the end of the 2003 season, until maybe now.

2. Peterson made the assumption that all he needed to do was fire the coach, put out an advertisement, and the great coaches would come a calling. If he wanted to make a structural change like he was intending, he needed to keep Solich for longer while he was making his case to the money people that they need to pay more than anyone else for a head coach, for staff, and for recruiting and then secure that "Nick Saban" kind of coach after that.

3. Instead, Peterson fired Solich on the fly, pissing off his players, and then had to go through 7-8 NO's before he found a coach who's players were threatening to kill him the year before, a coach that had no business being a coach at the big time college level, someone who tried to coach the team like an NFL team, void of development, despite his recruiting success.

After Peterson:

4. Then the downward spiral was on, and the only choice at rock bottom was to try to go back to something from the past, albeit different, to try to salvage things. It kind of worked, but by 2008 we were worse off than at the end of 2003, we had made no progress.

5. Then for a bunch of reasons, we made another choice of firing the coach that was structurally going to win 9-10 a year (no more and no less) not necessarily because he was a bad coach or that he didn't restore us to 1990s form, but rather because of PC and the true fact that Pelini was and is a total ass hole.

6. Then, again on the heals of throwing out a 9-10 win a season coach, we bring in basically all we could get, a less than mediocre coach with very little history of success. When that predictably flops, we fire him and bring in the golden boy who fooled everyone, so there's no blame to go around except that we should have jettisoned him after the 2021 season because it was obvious after that point that things weren't going to get any better.

Now we seem to have a good thing going and for the first time in years we seem to be on the upswing. But it's kind of laughable the notion that this is Peterson's vision, as we are still quite a bit different culture wise than USC circa 2005, which is what he was going for. Having a QB fall into our lap doesn't change that other than maybe it might be the cause for us to convince the next DR to come here.
Pretty good summary. (Someone should write a book on the shitshow that has been Nebraska football for the last few decades.) If Pelini would have done some things differently, he could have turned things around. I think, however, he was as tired of Nebraska as we were of him at the end of his tenure.
 
and if Callahan had a defense like we see now we'd be praising the guy... lol
Yes the defense is what was a failure. Wisconsin could not wait to see him leave.
Calahan had offensive brilliance special teams recruit like no other
Lacked defense which it's on him because he chose who he chose.
 
Yes the defense is what was a failure. Wisconsin could not wait to see him leave.
Calahan had offensive brilliance special teams recruit like no other
Lacked defense which it's on him because he chose who he chose.
Some of the defensive staff were guys he chose. Some were forced on him by Pedie. Elmassian was strongly suggested by Pedie because of his reputation as a recruiter. Given Elmo's inability to coach or intelligently talk to his DBs I can't imagine he was that all that as a recruiter. Elmo was a huge problem.
 
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Some of the defensive staff were guys he chose. Some were forced on him by Pedie. Elmassian was strongly suggested by Pedie because of his reputation as a recruiter. Given Elmo's inability to coach or intelligently talk to his DBs I can't imagine he was that all that as a recruiter. Elmo was a huge problem.
Elmo coached for 30 years with 22 different schools. You don't exactly need a calculator to do the math on how long he stuck around at each school. Unfortunately, we were the school that let him stay the longest (4 years).
 
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Peadeyshine!!!
Well said, but I wonder if MR would have landed Kyle McCord if DR stayed with Georgia. If so, I think we'd still be 3-0.

Anyone bothered to look at Kyle's stats so far? He's killing it, and ahead of Dylan in almost every catagory. He would have been an awesome consolation prize. I thought he made a terrible mistake going to the Orange...I was wrong.
 
Peadeyshine!!!


Anyone bothered to look at Kyle's stats so far? He's killing it, and ahead of Dylan in almost every catagory. He would have been an awesome consolation prize. I thought he made a terrible mistake going to the Orange...I was wrong.
The season isn't over yet but he is playing well against crappy competition thus far. He would have been a good stop gap measure but I don't think he would have had the effect on recruiting that landing Dylan has. The national perception of NU was dramatically altered by landing Dylan.
 
The season isn't over yet but he is playing well against crappy competition thus far. He would have been a good stop gap measure but I don't think he would have had the effect on recruiting that landing Dylan has. The national perception of NU was dramatically altered by landing Dylan.

Never said I wanted to trade DR for him, and I 'gree w/everything you said, but he's been awesome and its at least possible that for this season anyway, he would have been better for us than DR. I'm curious where he goes in the draft....not saying he's a top 10 pick, but i'd take him over a few other QB's who are projected ahead of him.
 
and if Callahan had a defense like we see now we'd be praising the guy... lol
Yeah, but the problem with Callahan was that he DIDN'T have a defense like we see now and it's his fault. Most of the players on the great 2009 defense were Callahan's players, but he and his staff mismanaged them with a crappy culture and crappy defensive coaches.

If Mike Riley had won 2 NCs, we'd be praising him too! Your point is kind of Captain Obvious and silly.
 
Yeah, but the problem with Callahan was that he DIDN'T have a defense like we see now and it's his fault. Most of the players on the great 2009 defense were Callahan's players, but he and his staff mismanaged them with a crappy culture and crappy defensive coaches.

If Mike Riley had won 2 NCs, we'd be praising him too! Your point is kind of Captain Obvious and silly.
Callahan wanted to fire his DC. Tom wouldn't let him.

Which is ironic since a lot of Osborne's players were pissed at solich for terminating who he did after 02.
 
I think Rhule was satisfied with what Raiola was doing and knew the importance of continued development of the Oline. That he was Dylan’s uncle didn’t hurt, but even at that time, folks were pretty sure he was headed to UGA.
I think Rhule had some coaching positions already decided before he officially took the job. Oline happened to be one that he didn't. I don't think he retained him simply for Dylan, but all things being equal it helped. Rhule also assembled a pretty young staff and Donovan fit that mold.
 
I think Rhule had some coaching positions already decided before he officially took the job. Oline happened to be one that he didn't. I don't think he retained him simply for Dylan, but all things being equal it helped. Rhule also assembled a pretty young staff and Donovan fit that mold.
Also, Donnie was just a year in and had no allegiance to the prior staff. Instead of going home and waiting to get fired he just kept coming to work and doing whatever needed to be done and I think Rhule saw and appreciated that.
 
Callahan wanted to fire his DC. Tom wouldn't let him.

Which is ironic since a lot of Osborne's players were pissed at solich for terminating who he did after 02.
I have NEVER heard that TO had anything to do with Callahan's staff. Shoot, he fired all of them the at the end of 2007. TO had no connection to any of Callahan's staff after Gill left after the 2004 season. When Solich fired Bohl, Barnes, and Darlington after 2002, there weren't any players left on the team who were recruited by Osborne. Maybe some former players were upset, but why is that an issue?
 
That’s an old worn out saying that holds little water.

It’s about talent and coaching that talent. So if the talent is low, how does the coach adjust to that? His job is to get better talent, not adjust just to keep people happy.
As they say, you can't make chicken salad out of chicken shit.
 
I have NEVER heard that TO had anything to do with Callahan's staff. Shoot, he fired all of them the at the end of 2007. TO had no connection to any of Callahan's staff after Gill left after the 2004 season. When Solich fired Bohl, Barnes, and Darlington after 2002, there weren't any players left on the team who were recruited by Osborne. Maybe some former players were upset, but why is that an issue?
Osbornes players were pissed. Read it again. I know for a fact Graham was pissed
 
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