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Steve Pederson's vision?

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With Dylan Raiola and Matt Rhule are we now living what Pederson's vision was for our football team? He clearly failed for various reasons to implement it but I can't help but think this is where he wanted to take us. I'm not hearing the "we have to run the option" guys much lately. Rhule has virtually all of the talking heads talking about us and we're recruiting nationally at a very high level. Rhule's communication skills and roster management are outstanding but landing Raiola was probably the single most significant event in the post Solich era other than maybe Callahan landing Suh. Suh elevated the whole team much like IMO Raiola has. Would Rhule be getting as much love now IF we were still struggling at QB this season? I think not.
 
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Whatever Steve Peterson thought he was doing, he needed new glasses for his vision. The glasses he was using had mirrored lens aalways looking back on himself. I originally thought he was going to be great as AD, boy was I ever WRONG about that.
 
With Dylan Raiola and Matt Rhule are we now living what Pederson's vision was for our football team? He clearly failed for various reasons to implement it but I can't help but think this is where he wanted to take us. I'm not hearing the "we have to run the option" guys much lately. Rhule has virtually all of the talking heads talking about us and we're recruiting nationally at a very high level. Rhule's communication skills and roster management are outstanding but landing Raiola was probably the single most significant event in the post Solich era other than maybe Callahan landing Suh. Suh elevated the whole team much like IMO Raiola has. Would Rhule be getting as much love now IF we were still struggling at QB this season? I think not.
IF Raiola would have gone elsewhere, McCord would be at Nebraska and not Syracuse. Or there would have been a different portal QB to come in.
 
Whatever Steve Peterson thought he was doing, he needed new glasses for his vision. The glasses he was using had mirrored lens aalways looking back on himself. I originally thought he was going to be great as AD, boy was I ever WRONG about that.
I'm not disputing Pederson's shortcomings. I just find it interesting that we're embracing the prostyle QB and NFL style offense now 2 decades later. Clearly Rhule's embrace of our history and Osborne have helped immensely versus Callahan's disregard for the traditions and fan base.
 
IF Raiola would have gone elsewhere, McCord would be at Nebraska and not Syracuse. Or there would have been a different portal QB to come in.
No doubt we would have landed a portal QB if we hadn't landed Dylan. Landing a legacy 5 star prostyle QB though kind of brought the whole tradition versus an NFL style offense to a screeching halt. Option football was still a talking point last year. Not so much now. Rhule has seemed to do and say all the right things. Pedie and Bill not so much.
 
No doubt we would have landed a portal QB if we hadn't landed Dylan. Landing a legacy 5 star prostyle QB though kind of brought the whole tradition versus an NFL style offense to a screeching halt. Option football was still a talking point last year. Not so much now. Rhule has seemed to do and say all the right things. Pedie and Bill not so much.
A good coach adjusts to the talent he has available, he doesn't try to force fit a "square peg into a round hole".
 
No doubt we would have landed a portal QB if we hadn't landed Dylan. Landing a legacy 5 star prostyle QB though kind of brought the whole tradition versus an NFL style offense to a screeching halt. Option football was still a talking point last year. Not so much now. Rhule has seemed to do and say all the right things. Pedie and Bill not so much.
I'm still waiting for Raiola to run the short side option so he can prove he is a real quarterback.
 
A good coach adjusts to the talent he has available, he doesn't try to force fit a "square peg into a round hole".
For a college coach its the age old question. Do you try to adapt to your players on hand or do you rip the bandage off and implement your system on day one. Clearly last year Rhule pretty much ripped the bandage off too but he took over a team that had multiple losing seasons in a row. You have to coach what you know best. Should he have brought in an OC who was an option coach? I agree that you have to adapt to your players most specifically your QB, but you probably just delay the transition when you do it.
 
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I'm not disputing Pederson's shortcomings. I just find it interesting that we're embracing the prostyle QB and NFL style offense now 2 decades later. Clearly Rhule's embrace of our history and Osborne have helped immensely versus Callahan's disregard for the traditions and fan base.
and if Callahan had a defense like we see now we'd be praising the guy... lol
 
and if Callahan had a defense like we see now we'd be praising the guy... lol
Some of us probably would be but the tradition coalition was never going to like Callahan unless he had come out and called for Pederson's head on a platter.
 
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For a college coach its the age old question. Do you try to adapt to your players on hand or do you rip the bandage off and implement your system on day one. Clearly last year Rhule pretty much ripped the bandage off too but he took over a team that had multiple losing seasons in a row. You have to coach what you know best. Should he have brought in an OC who was an option coach? I agree that you have to adapt to your players most specifically your QB, but you probably just delay the transition when you do it.

Rhule was the first one in my mind who knew exactly what he wanted to do on both sides of the ball and brought in guys who had the same vision and knowhow to implement it... Phase 3, the special teams still has me scratching my head but I believe Adults are in charge and they'll get that figured out... for now I'm happy with the progress I'm seeing not just on the field but in the attitude and way this team carries itself... it tells me this team is for real and on the right trajectory
 
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For a college coach its the age old question. Do you try to adapt to your players on hand or do you rip the bandage off and implement your system on day one. Clearly last year Rhule pretty much ripped the bandage off too but he took over a team that had multiple losing seasons in a row. You have to coach what you know best. Should he have brought in an OC who was an option coach? I agree that you have to adapt to your players most specifically your QB, but you probably just delay the transition when you do it.
Rhule is like the doctor who announces to you that he’s going to have to re-break your arm. It’s for your own good.
 
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Rhule was the first one in my mind who knew exactly what he wanted to do on both sides of the ball and brought in guys who had the same vision and knowhow to implement it... Phase 3, the special teams still has me scratching my head but I believe Adults are in charge and they'll get that figured out... for now I'm happy with the progress I'm seeing not just on the field but in the attitude and way this team carries itself... it tells me this team is for real and on the right trajectory
Callahan knew what he he wanted to do but he made some big mistakes with his staff and public relations. He screwed up bigtime when he dissed the lettermen and walk on program. I don't know for sure if he tried to embrace Tom at all but clearly Tom wouldn't have it. That was probably Callahan's biggest failure that sealed his fate.
 
I think circumstances such as NIL and the transfer portal make our current situation possible. The whole “ you can’t recruit to Nebraska” argument doesn’t hold up anymore.
I'm not sure that NIL changes all that much in our competition with other top tier programs. IF there was no NIL, I think we still land Raiola. Maybe we don't get the transfer WRs without NIL. That all assumes Georgia wasn't going to pay Raiola under the table if there wasn't NIL.
 
Well the option is great. But right now we seem to have landed a QB who can make all the throws. One of the arguments for a more mobile QB assumes that it's too hard to consistently find that kind of QB.

So as long as that happens u won't hear about it.
 
With Dylan Raiola and Matt Rhule are we now living what Pederson's vision was for our football team? He clearly failed for various reasons to implement it but I can't help but think this is where he wanted to take us. I'm not hearing the "we have to run the option" guys much lately. Rhule has virtually all of the talking heads talking about us and we're recruiting nationally at a very high level. Rhule's communication skills and roster management are outstanding but landing Raiola was probably the single most significant event in the post Solich era other than maybe Callahan landing Suh. Suh elevated the whole team much like IMO Raiola has. Would Rhule be getting as much love now IF we were still struggling at QB this season? I think not.
You are giving Stevey Petersen way too much credit by even mentioning his name at this point. Petersen's visual was to sit up there in his ivory tower and totally change the culture of the athletic department. It was a sh*t show.
 
Callahan is a pro guy, I didn’t expect him to be here that long anyway..
He actually started in college and coached there for quite a while. He was NOT really a fit to run Nebraska's program. With a good DC, I think he would kill it at a program like USC.
 
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You are giving Stevey Petersen way too much credit by even mentioning his name at this point. Petersen's visual was to sit up there in his ivory tower and totally change the culture of the athletic department. It was a sh*t show.
well in fact the behind the scenes culture in Lincoln did need some cleaning up. Our recruiting was a mess and the alcohol, drug abuse and sex scandals were problems. I was shocked when Tom let Bo bring Carl and Marvin back. I'm not advocating for Pederson but this is in fact where he wanted to go. Big name former NFL coach who worked his ass off in recruiting. Pederson's biggest beef with Solich was the recruiting and roster management. Solich NEVER filled a class and routinely took lowly ranked guys late in the cycle to try to fill needs. He constantly undersigned which bit us in the ass.
 
With Dylan Raiola and Matt Rhule are we now living what Pederson's vision was for our football team? He clearly failed for various reasons to implement it but I can't help but think this is where he wanted to take us. I'm not hearing the "we have to run the option" guys much lately. Rhule has virtually all of the talking heads talking about us and we're recruiting nationally at a very high level. Rhule's communication skills and roster management are outstanding but landing Raiola was probably the single most significant event in the post Solich era other than maybe Callahan landing Suh. Suh elevated the whole team much like IMO Raiola has. Would Rhule be getting as much love now IF we were still struggling at QB this season? I think not.
The guy that was in the bag prior to Raiola signing has put up the below numbers to date this season.

It's possible, even probable, that our QB play this season would have been even better than it has been (due to the experience factor) had Raiola gone elsewhere.

Rhule addressed the QB play in spades this off season.

Game Log​

2024202320222021

2024 Regular SeasonPassingRushing
DateOPPResultCMPATTYDSCMP%TDINTLNGSACKRTGQBRCARYDSAVGTDLNG
Sat 9/7vsGT23GTW
31-28
324638169.640321167.883.73103.3015
Sat 8/31vsOHIOOHIOW
38-22
273935469.241421174.286.55-1-0.203
Total598573569.481422170.885.0891.1015
 
Pederson and Frost belong on their own Mt Rushmore in terms of home grown guys who came back to NU with overwhelming approval and failed miserably. Very poor execution negated whatever good ideas and vision they brought with them.
 
The guy that was in the bag prior to Raiola signing has put up the below numbers to date this season.

It's possible, even probable, that our QB play this season would have been even better than it has been (due to the experience factor) had Raiola gone elsewhere.

Rhule addressed the QB play in spades this off season.

Game Log​

2024202320222021

2024 Regular SeasonPassingRushing
DateOPPResultCMPATTYDSCMP%TDINTLNGSACKRTGQBRCARYDSAVGTDLNG
Sat 9/7vsGT23GTW
31-28
324638169.640321167.883.73103.3015
Sat 8/31vsOHIOOHIOW
38-22
273935469.241421174.286.55-1-0.203
Total598573569.481422170.885.0891.1015
He was a one year rent a player but seems like he would have been a big upgrade so far. Raiola will be here for 3 years. Big difference. It's hard to say that the fanbase would have accepted him in the same manner.
 
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He was a one year rent a player but seems like he would have been a big upgrade so far. Raiola will be here for 3 years. Big difference. It's hard to say that the fanbase would have accepted him in the same manner.
Spot on. Undoubtedly made the correct move!
 
well in fact the behind the scenes culture in Lincoln did need some cleaning up. Our recruiting was a mess and the alcohol, drug abuse and sex scandals were problems. I was shocked when Tom let Bo bring Carl and Marvin back. I'm not advocating for Pederson but this is in fact where he wanted to go. Big name former NFL coach who worked his ass off in recruiting. Pederson's biggest beef with Solich was the recruiting and roster management. Solich NEVER filled a class and routinely took lowly ranked guys late in the cycle to try to fill needs. He constantly undersigned which bit us in the ass.
But Steve Perfecthair Completely botched the coaching hire because he didn’t realize that Wannstadt(sp?) Was going to win a few games and not get fired from the dolphins.
Or maybe Steve convinced himself that even if the dolphins didn’t fire Wannstadt That he would be so honored to work for him that he would come to Nebraska anyway. Hiring the Raiders sloppy second who had complete disregard for Nebraska’s biggest strength it’s loyal fan base was stupid.
I would argue that that was the mistake with Pelini, that Pelini didn’t understand that if you win you will outlast A crappy, athletic Director, because of that fan base. As long as you don’t disrespect it.
 
A good coach adjusts to the talent he has available, he doesn't try to force fit a "square peg into a round hole".
That’s an old worn out saying that holds little water.

It’s about talent and coaching that talent. So if the talent is low, how does the coach adjust to that? His job is to get better talent, not adjust just to keep people happy.
 
No doubt we would have landed a portal QB if we hadn't landed Dylan. Landing a legacy 5 star prostyle QB though kind of brought the whole tradition versus an NFL style offense to a screeching halt. Option football was still a talking point last year. Not so much now. Rhule has seemed to do and say all the right things. Pedie and Bill not so much.
As much as I like option football and still think it can be difficult to stop, it exists to make up for a lack of talent.

When you have guys like DR, Banks, Loyd, Nelson, Barney, Dowdell, etc. you don’t need to run it because you have the talent to run a pro style offense.
 
You are absolutely correct about the importance of Raiola. As much as McCord has played well (and most likely would have played well here this season), it would have been a one-year Band-Aid. We could have gotten a McCord or Cam Ward level of performance; we could have gotten DJ Uiagalelei-level of performance. Landing Raiola was not merely about raising the level of QB play but raising the stability and culture of the program. People talk about the Mahomes clone, but it has special significance on this topic. Mahomes raises the level of play and profile of his teammates. People want to play with him and regress once they are no longer playing with him.
 
With Dylan Raiola and Matt Rhule are we now living what Pederson's vision was for our football team? He clearly failed for various reasons to implement it but I can't help but think this is where he wanted to take us. I'm not hearing the "we have to run the option" guys much lately. Rhule has virtually all of the talking heads talking about us and we're recruiting nationally at a very high level. Rhule's communication skills and roster management are outstanding but landing Raiola was probably the single most significant event in the post Solich era other than maybe Callahan landing Suh. Suh elevated the whole team much like IMO Raiola has. Would Rhule be getting as much love now IF we were still struggling at QB this season? I think not.
Well said, but I wonder if MR would have landed Kyle McCord if DR stayed with Georgia. If so, I think we'd still be 3-0.
 
I'm not disputing Pederson's shortcomings. I just find it interesting that we're embracing the prostyle QB and NFL style offense now 2 decades later. Clearly Rhule's embrace of our history and Osborne have helped immensely versus Callahan's disregard for the traditions and fan base.
Bash Callahan if you’d like but he was more successful than Riley and Frost
 
With Dylan Raiola and Matt Rhule are we now living what Pederson's vision was for our football team? He clearly failed for various reasons to implement it but I can't help but think this is where he wanted to take us. I'm not hearing the "we have to run the option" guys much lately. Rhule has virtually all of the talking heads talking about us and we're recruiting nationally at a very high level. Rhule's communication skills and roster management are outstanding but landing Raiola was probably the single most significant event in the post Solich era other than maybe Callahan landing Suh. Suh elevated the whole team much like IMO Raiola has. Would Rhule be getting as much love now IF we were still struggling at QB this season? I think not.
Peterson's "vision" was to completely dismantle a legendary program and build it in his image. Problem was that his approach was fatally flawed for a number of reasons:

1. He didn't take into account that you have a real problem when you fire a coach that won 10 games a year on the heals of a 10 win season. A coach who took us to the title game with mostly his players just 2 years before. Was Frank the answer long term? That debate has raged for 20 years and still rages, but there is no question that there hasn't been a time since that the program was in better shape than it was at the end of the 2003 season, until maybe now.

2. Peterson made the assumption that all he needed to do was fire the coach, put out an advertisement, and the great coaches would come a calling. If he wanted to make a structural change like he was intending, he needed to keep Solich for longer while he was making his case to the money people that they need to pay more than anyone else for a head coach, for staff, and for recruiting and then secure that "Nick Saban" kind of coach after that.

3. Instead, Peterson fired Solich on the fly, pissing off his players, and then had to go through 7-8 NO's before he found a coach who's players were threatening to kill him the year before, a coach that had no business being a coach at the big time college level, someone who tried to coach the team like an NFL team, void of development, despite his recruiting success.

After Peterson:

4. Then the downward spiral was on, and the only choice at rock bottom was to try to go back to something from the past, albeit different, to try to salvage things. It kind of worked, but by 2008 we were worse off than at the end of 2003, we had made no progress.

5. Then for a bunch of reasons, we made another choice of firing the coach that was structurally going to win 9-10 a year (no more and no less) not necessarily because he was a bad coach or that he didn't restore us to 1990s form, but rather because of PC and the true fact that Pelini was and is a total ass hole.

6. Then, again on the heals of throwing out a 9-10 win a season coach, we bring in basically all we could get, a less than mediocre coach with very little history of success. When that predictably flops, we fire him and bring in the golden boy who fooled everyone, so there's no blame to go around except that we should have jettisoned him after the 2021 season because it was obvious after that point that things weren't going to get any better.

Now we seem to have a good thing going and for the first time in years we seem to be on the upswing. But it's kind of laughable the notion that this is Peterson's vision, as we are still quite a bit different culture wise than USC circa 2005, which is what he was going for. Having a QB fall into our lap doesn't change that other than maybe it might be the cause for us to convince the next DR to come here.
 
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With Dylan Raiola and Matt Rhule are we now living what Pederson's vision was for our football team? He clearly failed for various reasons to implement it but I can't help but think this is where he wanted to take us. I'm not hearing the "we have to run the option" guys much lately. Rhule has virtually all of the talking heads talking about us and we're recruiting nationally at a very high level. Rhule's communication skills and roster management are outstanding but landing Raiola was probably the single most significant event in the post Solich era other than maybe Callahan landing Suh. Suh elevated the whole team much like IMO Raiola has. Would Rhule be getting as much love now IF we were still struggling at QB this season? I think not.
Its a hit or miss deal. Callahan had the smarts for the onfield play, but there was just something missing in his leadership. He has not tried to be a HC since. You saw it with the raiders, and then NU. How often does a HC "lose" his team? From what we read, seemed that he was very stubborn. So was Bo, and he might have lost the media, but not his team. I spoke with some on field staff during a few practice visits under BC. Marlon Lucky was the big "get", Suh was second. I was told it was a shame about ML, that he was never properly "developed". I think that what was missing with BC, coming from the pros. I watched him develop linemen (that is his thing to this day), so I'm not sure what happened elsewhere, but whatever Pederson wanted to accomplish, you can only go as far as what's available. Certainly, he hit the target to improve recruiting, as that ML, Suh class was ranked #5, and no one has come close since. But ML, who is a really nice guy, as a 5* recruit was somehow wasted. Recruiting ranking has meant little since. NU has hit in the top 25 pretty consistently in recruiting, but it never materialized on the field.

Rhule seems to have it all, but his resume remains with holes. How good is he past 3-4 years? Will he stay? What really happened to him the crazy NFL? There's only a handful of coaches that are proven winners, and sometimes they fall, look at Dabo Swinney these days. It is said the best FB improvement comes in game 2. Didn't really see that last week, but IL will show us more. I posted that we will learn a lot about the team after CU, and we certainly did. But how good is NU really, and how bad is CU? IL will show.

I like what I see in Rhule. He seems like the complete package, after so many misses. He works hard, recruits well, develops players, has good game plans and vision, and he's great with the press (only Devaney was better, really). Good things happen to those that wait. The odds now turn in our favor after a 20 year haitus. Nebraska is too committed to CFB for the debacle to continue as long as it has. Others suffered it too, Bama, Mich, OU, UT, FSU...

As fans, we are in it for the long term, and sometimes coaches are not. Nebraska has the rep as a bland place to many, doesn't have the sparkle of the big city. Then again, NY has sparkle but no CFB team to boast of. But to those who live in Nebraska, its the heartland, and our fans have proved it as we move to our unprecedented 400th sellout. Its a certainly a great and colorful place for CFB, even if not recognized for much else. Then again, what's so special about Tuscaloosa or Norman? I want cMR (as I did ALL our coaches) to succeed and STAY!

...and of course get us into the championship top tier where we play proud & contend again for natties.
 
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