Something that I bet will surprise most, if not all of us, that I found interesting...

[litespeedhuskerfan]

Denver Bronco's have exactly zero former 5 stars coming out of high school on their roster.

Jets have 4.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl...nfl-team/ar-BBwFgo5?li=BBnb7Kz&page=13#page=1

I thought it was worth 5 minutes of my time this morning anyway and because of our geographical situation I'm probably more interested in this stuff than somebody who lives in say...Texas or Florida and the like.

 

[Huskerfan2112]

While I appreciate you pointing that out, these discussions never end well

 

[StrongArm517]

Von Miller was not a 5 star? That is interesting!

 

[litespeedhuskerfan]

Von Miller was not a 5 star? That is interesting!

According to that article, he was 4 star.

 

[swissticuffs]

I'll still take 5 stars all day

 

[litespeedhuskerfan]

I'll still take 5 stars all day

Right there with you.

 

[StrongArm517]

According to that article, he was 4 star.

Suh was a four star as well. Never know do you?

 

[litespeedhuskerfan]

Suh was a four star as well. Never know do you?

Correctamundo (sp?)

Many of the highest rated recruits on each team, in that story, have done jack squat in the NFL.

 

[dockentwo]

I'll still take 5 stars all day

Of your choice of course; i know from your posts you would be smart about it ( don't want to be blind-sided). Because the truth is, you can do better than many five stars. Some are at the right high schools; and reasons beyond that . I wish I could remember the exact quote from coach tom O - he said that N ran their own recruiting boards and rankings, regardless of " stars ", that because of factors, he didn't believe he would offer half of the top 50 rated high school players in the country scholarships......
//////// Leaves a lot of room for bright innovating recruiters and staff to make inroads. Say similar to a N; with coaches with pro experience to identify players that in their opinion can be developed to a pro level - of course you might need a top research and training facility and a Boyd Epply ( oh,WOW). GBR

 

[Tuco Salamanca]

Stars on these sites are designed to predict a player's ability at the college level not how their skills will translate to the NFL. When these players are evaluated, they are 16-18 year old kids. As an example, the starting nose tackle at Arkansas was 6'2" and 220lbs and played DE in high school. He is now 6'3" and close to 300.

My point is that the development that takes place at the college level is huge. Additionally, in high school work ethic and "want to" sometimes don't get tested because when a player's physical ability is higher than all of his peers.

 

[litespeedhuskerfan]

Stars on these sites are designed to predict a player's ability at the college level not how their skills will translate to the NFL. When these players are evaluated, they are 16-18 year old kids. As an example, the starting nose tackle at Arkansas was 6'2" and 220lbs and played DE in high school. He is now 6'3" and close to 300.

My point is that the development that takes place at the college level is huge. Additionally, in high school work ethic and "want to" sometimes don't get tested because when a player's physical ability is higher than all of his peers.

I listened to an interview with Jeremy Crabtree (99% sure it was him anyway, he was on every week on 1620 with Kugler and Severe) about 4(ish) years ago??? He said the opposite. Stars they assign predict how they will perform in the NFL. I'm sure different sites do it differently, but I head an interview on 1620 that said the opposite of what you said, though I'm sure with as many services as there are now many of them do it exactly the way you described to, I honestly don't know.

 

[Tuco Salamanca]

I listened to an interview with Jeremy Crabtree (99% sure it was him anyway, he was on every week on 1620 with Kugler and Severe) about 4(ish) years ago??? He said the opposite. Stars they assign predict how they will perform in the NFL. I'm sure different sites do it differently, but I head an interview on 1620 that said the opposite of what you said, though I'm sure with as many services as there are now many of them do it exactly the way you described to, I honestly don't know.

I guess Crabtree could very well do it differently than I described. My experience is that NFL guys who scout college players for the draft don't always get it right. Look at guys like jaMarcus Russell, great college QB, 5 star coming out of HS, number 1 overall draft pick but was a bust in the NFL. I just think using the evaluations of a 17 year old to determine if that player will be an NFL player is a losing proposition.

 

[SeaOfRed75]

I guess Crabtree could very well do it differently than I described. My experience is that NFL guys who scout college players for the draft don't always get it right. Look at guys like jaMarcus Russell, great college QB, 5 star coming out of HS, number 1 overall draft pick but was a bust in the NFL. I just think using the evaluations of a 17 year old to determine if that player will be an NFL player is a losing proposition.

Great college QB? I would say average at best. With the talent Russel had around him at LSU, he didnt do sh!t. Teams with brains (ie not the Raiders, Browns, Jets, Bears, ) when it comes to QBs im sure saw that.

 

[mkbrkloster]

I listened to an interview with Jeremy Crabtree (99% sure it was him anyway, he was on every week on 1620 with Kugler and Severe) about 4(ish) years ago??? He said the opposite. Stars they assign predict how they will perform in the NFL. I'm sure different sites do it differently, but I head an interview on 1620 that said the opposite of what you said, though I'm sure with as many services as there are now many of them do it exactly the way you described to, I honestly don't know.

This explains the various rankings:
http://www.cougcenter.com/wsu-footb...n-247-star-rating-system-national-signing-day

 

[Tuco Salamanca]

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Great college QB? I would say average at best. With the talent Russel had around him at LSU, he didnt do sh!t. Teams with brains (ie not the Raiders, Browns, Jets, Bears, ) when it comes to QBs im sure saw that.

Come on, average? He threw for 6625 yard 52 touchdowns 21 INTs. Completed 62% of his throws. And this was against SEC defenses not CUSA or MAC. Please.

 

[HuskerNiQ0]

I listened to an interview with Jeremy Crabtree (99% sure it was him anyway, he was on every week on 1620 with Kugler and Severe) about 4(ish) years ago??? He said the opposite. Stars they assign predict how they will perform in the NFL. I'm sure different sites do it differently, but I head an interview on 1620 that said the opposite of what you said, though I'm sure with as many services as there are now many of them do it exactly the way you described to, I honestly don't know.

Explain why Tebow was a 5star then.....

 

[ThrowBones92]

It seems like the star ratings are based off of pure physical skills, which are really only one part of the "NFL Success" equation, albiet an important part. Star ratings cannot account for how "professional" a player will choose to be. Their decisions, commitment, and preparation to the game and their craft will be much more tested in the NFL than it is in college.

And spare me the "well this guy is an idiot and he had a successful NFL career" stories. Everyone's path is different, and to those who may want to cite the idiots who succeeded, there is no telling how much more successful they would have been had they been a better professional. I doubt they would have been any less successful, that is for sure. At the same time, there are many who only had successful careers in the NFL because they were professionals committed to their craft.

 

[litespeedhuskerfan]

Explain why Tebow was a 5star then.....

Now if you said, "then he should explain how he had Tebow as a 5 star" you'd have something. Just telling you about an interview I heard on the subject. I also flat out said I don't know.

 

[cthoend]

http://www.sportingcharts.com/nfl/stats/number-of-nfl-players-by-college/2016/

There is a correlation between the college teams that recruit well and the number of players they subsequently send to the NFL. I would speculate a good number of these kids would go to the NFL no matter where they attended school.

There also schools that send a lot of players to the NFL because they are coached well or they have a system that accentuates a kid's talent. These kids may not have had the size or talent coming out of high school to warrant the 5* & 4* evaluations. However, with time and coaching they make it to the NFL.

Sure there are going to be "outliers" in each instance. Those who have talent and fail to live up to their potential, and those who the colleges and recruiting services just missed on.

What Rivals/Scouts/247 provide is not difficult to provide. If one were to watch HUDL highlight videos of the top performers in each state, look at the metrics, and then compare that evaluation against the schools that have offered the kid. It is a pretty sure fire process. Daily you will see 2* kids who get an offer from a big name school and instantly they are upgraded to a 3*. Recruiting services have become self licking ice cream cones.