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Sipp says Pot Roast ain't yet gone

Yes, the 3 were easily our best pass rushers and would have suited the WDE spot in a 4-3 perfectly. Shavers and McGahee are good, but I'd rather they be playing the linebacker spots in a 4-3. Not really convinced they are both going to stick around either.
I was disappointed in Williams in the 2nd half of the season. I would put McGahee up there for top pass rusher. Seems like he has a unique ability to not only get the sack but for knocking the ball out.
 
I was disappointed in Williams in the 2nd half of the season. I would put McGahee up there for top pass rusher. Seems like he has a unique ability to not only get the sack but for knocking the ball out.
he drew a lot of chips from TEs and backs in the 2nd half

clearly opponents were gameplanning for him on passing downs

freed up the big guys and allowed Sherman to go 1on1 (he didn't win much)
 
I'll add this and lean on actual football minds (like @PeliniTheCrutch) to correct me if I'm wrong, but:

for all the 4-3 traditionalists out there, that base scheme has all but been phased out of college football by offenses (even in the plodding B1G)

a change to a 4-man front will look basically exactly the same as we've been seeing from a personnel standpoint:

a strong-side 7 technique(EDGE), 3 technique, 2i or 0(NOSE) and 5 technique with 2 LBs and 5 DBs (or 4 DBs and Rover/light LB)

3-man fronts were pretty rare for us despite running a "3-3-5". just like having 3 traditional LBs on the field will be pretty rare for a "4-3" team.

base offense these days is 3 wide, which means base defense is nickel.
 
he drew a lot of chips from TEs and backs in the 2nd half

clearly opponents were gameplanning for him on passing downs

freed up the big guys and allowed Sherman to go 1on1 (he didn't win much)
Sherman did win a lot of 1 on 1's, especially later in the year. He was defensive MVP against Iowa in my book, just completely dominant.
 
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I'll add this and lean on actual football minds (like @PeliniTheCrutch) to correct me if I'm wrong, but:

for all the 4-3 traditionalists out there, that base scheme has all but been phased out of college football by offenses (even in the plodding B1G)

a change to a 4-man front will look basically exactly the same as we've been seeing from a personnel standpoint:

a strong-side 7 technique(EDGE), 3 technique, 2i or 0(NOSE) and 5 technique with 2 LBs and 5 DBs (or 4 DBs and Rover/light LB)

3-man fronts were pretty rare for us despite running a "3-3-5". just like having 3 traditional LBs on the field will be pretty rare for a "4-3" team.

base offense these days is 3 wide, which means base defense is nickel.
A 4-3 base defense can work if the linebackers are on the faster side. I was thinking Shavers-Gbayor-McGahee as backers and Princewill/Butler/Williams as edge rushers. Against pass happy teams, you can always go nickel, and it would offer a stout run defense if subbing in a run stopper along the DL.
 
A 4-3 base defense can work if the linebackers are on the faster side. I was thinking Shavers-Gbayor-McGahee as backers and Princewill/Butler/Williams as edge rushers. Against pass happy teams, you can always go nickel, and it would offer a stout run defense if subbing in a run stopper along the DL.
voluntarily putting an LB on a slot receiver is nearly as stupid as not covering him at all.

"pass happy" doesn't really have anything to do with it. it's a personnel thing, and 3 WR sets are the foundation of nearly every offense going.

we can run a 4-3 against Michigan and basically nobody else in the country as a base set.
 
voluntarily putting an LB on a slot receiver is nearly as stupid as not covering him at all.

"pass happy" doesn't really have anything to do with it. it's a personnel thing, and 3 WR sets are the foundation of nearly every offense going.

we can run a 4-3 against Michigan and basically nobody else in the country as a base set.
I would expect Shavers and McGahee be able to hold their own if they were matched against a slot receiver or tight end. Again, you'd be running plenty of nickel and dime against passing teams as well. If the 4-3 were really as vulnerable against basic passing offenses as you say, then there is no way it would have stuck around as long as it did.
 
I would expect Shavers and McGahee be able to hold their own if they were matched against a slot receiver or tight end. Again, you'd be running plenty of nickel and dime against passing teams as well. If the 4-3 were really as vulnerable against basic passing offenses as you say, then there is no way it would have stuck around as long as it did.
it hasn't stuck around.

base 4-3 has essentially been phased out of college football.
 
it hasn't stuck around.

base 4-3 has essentially been phased out of college football.
I think we're being pedantic at this point. Plenty of teams call their defense a base 4-3 even though they may use nickel more often. Just as teams will state a base 3-4 defense although it may end up being 3-3-5 more often. Nickel and dime is essential to cover the pass. I don't think anyone is arguing that.
 
Williams was by far our best edge rusher

5 sacks this year trailed only Robinson (6), who owed a couple of his to Williams drawing lots of 3rd and long eyeballs
Williams did one thing and one thing only. He was terrible against the run and if they ran he regularly lost contain. My biggest beef though were the ill timed off sides penalties which seemed to happen virtually every game. I think he can mature and get better. I hope he sticks around.
 
Williams did one thing and one thing only. He was terrible against the run and if they ran he regularly lost contain. My biggest beef though were the ill timed off sides penalties which seemed to happen virtually every game. I think he can mature and get better. I hope he sticks around.
well, yea. he's a 3rd down pass rushing specialist.

more than 1/3 of his tackles this year were sacks.

he's not playing on 1st and 2nd down and he's not paid to stop the run.
 
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FSU had got a really good DL coach and Ass . But he has been there like 30 years. Maybe he is deciding on retirement. Otherwise FSU wouldn’t have room for Pot roast.
I know we are all having problems grasping college football as a pro sport. As a pro sport they could hire Pot, Roast, Kettle, and Black to coach the DL. And if they needed even more help, they could hire All the King’s Horses and All the King’s Men.
 
I hope you aren’t seriously offended because it would indicate a certain level of denseness.

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well he wasn't wrong. He was at practice after Sip said that.
He was fulfilling his contractual duties. From Rhule’s remarks it was pretty clear that he knew that all of this was in the works either at Florida State or some other school eventually.
 
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There really isn’t a bigger clown in “media” than Sipp. Anyone, anywhere, taking him seriously, on any level, is funny. Good on him for having a job. It is pure gold listening to him on the radio … as if it isn’t clear as day he doesn’t know what he’s talking about, he will actually admit it, and that he should have prepared better, but everyone just chuckles at him and shakes their head and moves on. The best is when, on the morning show, coach Busch, who actually has something legit to add based on his experience and knowledge on a subject, starts talking and making a point, and Sipp chimes in or starts agreeing with him or talks over him, as if Sipp has a clue.
 
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