Stanford, Washington, USC and UCLA then?No way, the big 10 is an academic first conference. I see them trying to get stanford, yale (they did win a bunch of natties way back) or duke.
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Stanford, Washington, USC and UCLA then?No way, the big 10 is an academic first conference. I see them trying to get stanford, yale (they did win a bunch of natties way back) or duke.
cue a charlie marlowe post where he asks if the steelers are joining the b1g.This is all some kind of weird, end of the world scenario game with all of the "what ifs"
This is all some kind of weird, end of the world scenario game with all of the "what ifs"
What is most interesting to me is that when Nebraska left the B12, it was seen as a power move, money grab, disliked Texas control, etc, etc, etc. What we are hearing now, and should be a concern is that IF our name even comes up, it isn't in any kind of positive, power situation. In other words. the clout is long gone! Or at least seems to be. No one is knocking on our door or mentioning us in rumors to move, go anywhere else, or start some kind of super league. Do we even have a seat at the table any more or is it more likely under the table, just getting scraps?
One, the rumors of Ohio State and Michigan leaving for the SEC are stupid. Two, NU is not getting mentioned as possible candidate for a conference move because we are already in a great conference. Where would we go? The imploding B12? *wipes tears* The SEC? What's the point? About as stupid as suggesting Michigan and Ohio State are considering moving to the SEC. We're still in a great position. We're in the weaker half of the conference and we haven't done jack. It's been all set up for us to dominate.
Nebraska should be reaching out to the SEC.This is all some kind of weird, end of the world scenario game with all of the "what ifs"
What is most interesting to me is that when Nebraska left the B12, it was seen as a power move, money grab, disliked Texas control, etc, etc, etc. What we are hearing now, and should be a concern is that IF our name even comes up, it isn't in any kind of positive, power situation. In other words. the clout is long gone! Or at least seems to be. No one is knocking on our door or mentioning us in rumors to move, go anywhere else, or start some kind of super league. Do we even have a seat at the table any more or is it more likely under the table, just getting scraps?
At this point, the research in the Big Ten is bigger than anything the SEC can offer. Especially since everyone has written our future off anywayNebraska should be reaching out to the SEC.
No trolling intended. The biggest downfall for Nebraska has been losing previous fertile recruiting grounds. Those would open up as an SEC school.
Not sure if SEC would be interested, but it would be better for Nebraska.
BB - you missed the point of my post almost completely.One, the rumors of Ohio State and Michigan leaving for the SEC are stupid. Two, NU is not getting mentioned as possible candidate for a conference move because we are already in a great conference. Where would we go? The imploding B12? *wipes tears* The SEC? What's the point? About as stupid as suggesting Michigan and Ohio State are considering moving to the SEC. We're still in a great position. We're in the weaker half of the conference and we haven't done jack. It's been all set up for us to dominate.
Fair enough!At this point, the research in the Big Ten is bigger than anything the SEC can offer. Especially since everyone has written our future off anyway
And here I thought I flushed the toilet......nope your turd ass is still aroundFair enough!
I just thought that if Nebraska still cared about football that the SEC would be to your benefit.
Guess you are not a football fan. Or one who watched the Huskers from 1962-1997.Why do Huskers fans even care? The program is strong and profitable even if they lose games.
Agreed. Pac and B1G historically aligned and politically sort of agree about purpose in being for these institutions and their football teams. Also share the Rose Bowl etc. If they basically don't self implode now, they'll be fine.Love to see a situation where Big Ten and Pac Ten had a crossover agreement. Play 8 conference game with two being out of division and 2-3 against Pac. Division champs would be based strictly off play against your division opponents with tie breaker on how you performed against other division first, then against the PAC crossover. This would eliminate most of the cross division schedule issues we have now where divisions could be decided by who has the easiest crossover schedule. Have a separate TV deal for your games with the PAC split among all schools
If the Big Ten felt Nebraska should play OSU and USC every year we wouldn't care because our end goal is winning West to go to championship game which get you into playoffs. Also weight strength of schedule highly for any at large berths to reward a team who may have an unbalanced schedule one year.
Having that group of 26 teams working together would ensure competitive revenue, national recruiting and a reasonable seat at table for any discussions regardless of what else the SEC does.
I think Destiny at this point dictate the Pac 12 as our blood brothers.Can the Big 10 please get out of bed with the Pac 12. I'd rather we not play a rotating schedule of crappy Pac 12 teams.
I think Destiny at this point dictate the Pac 12 as our blood brothers.Can the Big 10 please get out of bed with the Pac 12. I'd rather we not play a rotating schedule of crappy Pac 12 teams.
This is why football needs to be separated from the universities. Those are 2 competing interests in some cases.Fair enough!
I just thought that if Nebraska still cared about football that the SEC would be to your benefit.
You know nothing about them. I have lots of family in the Columbus area & work with Alumni. Ohio St is not going anywhere, their income from athletics ($100M) is less than 5% of OS annual 6.8Billion take.Ohio State might be tired of the limitations the big 10 puts on its members the sec and acc don't have. Winning a championship is more difficult in the big 10.
Love it. I've been advocating it for a while, though don't separate football totally; just make the NFL pay a huge fee for the right to run a minor-league football operation on a major college campus, say two schools for each team, making a 64-team league:This is why football needs to be separated from the universities. Those are 2 competing interests in some cases.
Both conferences had this exact conversation several years ago, and the PAC 12 eventually declined, as I recall. To me it makes much more sense to have that agreement w/ the ACC, since we already have a similar agreement with them for basketball every year (BIG/ACC Challenge). Logistically it makes sense, plus it fences in the SEC from owning the entire east/south east.I was thinking about this yesterday. There are some serious limitations to adding PAC 12 teams to the BIG. Football would be fine but all of your other sports are going to struggle logistically. It makes more sense to have a formal agreement between the PAC 12 and Big ten to have crossover games in a sort of merged league rather than just a huge conference. With the history of the BIG and PAC in the Rose Bowl it seems a natural fit to leverage the two leagues into an agreement for tv.
I don't see why the ACC is better fit than the PAC 12. We've had a relationship with the PAC 12 way longer than the ACC. They're both out of our geographic region. However, I could still see us poaching UVA and UNC.Both conferences had this exact conversation several years ago, and the PAC 12 eventually declined, as I recall. To me it makes much more sense to have that agreement w/ the ACC, since we already have a similar agreement with them for basketball every year (BIG/ACC Challenge). Logistically it makes sense, plus it fences in the SEC from owning the entire east/south east.
Huh? The ACC is WAY closer to the BIG's geographic region than the PAC 12, with some states directly bordering each other.I don't see why the ACC is better fit than the PAC 12. We've had a relationship with the PAC 12 way longer than the ACC. They're both out of our geographic region. However, I could still see us poaching UVA and UNC.
Not sure if time zones would be a big deal or notI don't see why the ACC is better fit than the PAC 12. We've had a relationship with the PAC 12 way longer than the ACC. They're both out of our geographic region. However, I could still see us poaching UVA and UNC.
I don’t have the specific information and data in front of me, but there is some evidence that NFL teams going from the West Coast to the East Coast were at a disadvantage in noon eastern start times. Essentially those are 9am start times. I would think a 6 or 7pm pacific start would be equally disadvantageous to an eastern team. 9pm or 10 pm start to a 3 hour game.Not sure if time zones would be a big deal or not
In addition, Pitt and Penn State are in the same state.Huh? The ACC is WAY closer to the BIG's geographic region than the PAC 12, with some states directly bordering each other.
Not really. You're going to have to fly to every location so it doesn't make a difference. For Maryland, UVA and UNC are close. For Nebraska? Everything is far.Huh? The ACC is WAY closer to the BIG's geographic region than the PAC 12, with some states directly bordering each other.
Love it. I've been advocating it for a while, though don't separate football totally; just make the NFL pay a huge fee for the right to run a minor-league football operation on a major college campus, say two schools for each team, making a 64-team league:
- Schools would be free to create conferences for their Olympic sports, conferences that are more regional and allow for more cost-effective travel. Maybe a return to the traditional eight- to 10-team conference setups would work, you know, the Big Eight, the Mountain States, the old SEC and Pac-8, etc.
- With a subsidy from the NFL's new college football minor league, schools could keep all the opportunities they current provide female athletes and ADD 85 scholarships for men's sports such as ice hockey and soccer, but also provide for full baseball scholarships.
The NFL has a lot of money, but they also aren't going to piss it down their leg. Having the NFL run a minor league system on college campuses would be somewhat complex and would probably kill college football as we know it, which may or may not lead to a product that current college football fans would embrace.
If the NFL is essentially going to have a 64 team expansion, the way business is run and who makes the decisions will probably change. If they are ponying up the money, they are probably working the tv deals and all that, and they aren't going to leave it to school AD's to make football decisions anymore. There's a good chunk of fans, especially in flyover country, for whom taking say the Huskers and making it a corporately run woke franchise feeder isn't what they envision the final evolution of Husker football to be. It basically would be the Lincoln Beef reachable at P.O. Box 17, NYC.
A host of regulations would come in, would Bama be able to pay their assistants as much as most schools pay their HC, would their HC be allowed to make 3x what a normal HC makes, etc. In the interest of protecting value for all the schools, they would level some of this out which would piss the haves off. Many of whom would want NFL money, but not NFL control. The NFL also has an interest in goosing the health of national tv exposure, just like the real league it will fixate on trying to pump up the LA and NYC market vis a vis teams like USC or Syracuse at the expense of name teams in smaller markets like say Nebraska or Oklahoma or Bama.
Would teams be allowed to recruit in a free for all as presently done, or would a competition committee require talent to be distributed more or less evenly across this league?
Facilities also would be a sticky issue. At first glance its easy to say, well schools have facilities, just have the NFL run the team that occupies them. When you rip control of the team from the school, the schools will no longer maintain a facilities war and the donations drives to entice better recruits and make more money, all of that has been decided by the NFL, they just need to train players. So now the NFL has to require schools to maintain some minimum standard of facilities out of the payout or kick in a bit of money themselves to maintain them.
For alot of fans of CFB, the quirks of it are what make it palatable vice the NFL. The fact that you have legacy recruits and bloodlines at schools. That your school traditionally is good and puts alot of booster effort in securing the best of everything to be a blue blood. That you went to said school and burnt out too many brain cells rooting for a particular team. Etc. Putting in corporate overlords might make the gamblers and portions of the super hard core fanbase happy, but the everyday person who went to said school and has a school hat probably overall won't like the changes.
Great questions and analysis. It's a pipe dream, for sure.The NFL has a lot of money, but they also aren't going to piss it down their leg. Having the NFL run a minor league system on college campuses would be somewhat complex and would probably kill college football as we know it, which may or may not lead to a product that current college football fans would embrace.
If the NFL is essentially going to have a 64 team expansion, the way business is run and who makes the decisions will probably change. If they are ponying up the money, they are probably working the tv deals and all that, and they aren't going to leave it to school AD's to make football decisions anymore. There's a good chunk of fans, especially in flyover country, for whom taking say the Huskers and making it a corporately run woke franchise feeder isn't what they envision the final evolution of Husker football to be. It basically would be the Lincoln Beef reachable at P.O. Box 17, NYC.
A host of regulations would come in, would Bama be able to pay their assistants as much as most schools pay their HC, would their HC be allowed to make 3x what a normal HC makes, etc. In the interest of protecting value for all the schools, they would level some of this out which would piss the haves off. Many of whom would want NFL money, but not NFL control. The NFL also has an interest in goosing the health of national tv exposure, just like the real league it will fixate on trying to pump up the LA and NYC market vis a vis teams like USC or Syracuse at the expense of name teams in smaller markets like say Nebraska or Oklahoma or Bama.
Would teams be allowed to recruit in a free for all as presently done, or would a competition committee require talent to be distributed more or less evenly across this league?
Facilities also would be a sticky issue. At first glance its easy to say, well schools have facilities, just have the NFL run the team that occupies them. When you rip control of the team from the school, the schools will no longer maintain a facilities war and the donations drives to entice better recruits and make more money, all of that has been decided by the NFL, they just need to train players. So now the NFL has to require schools to maintain some minimum standard of facilities out of the payout or kick in a bit of money themselves to maintain them.
For alot of fans of CFB, the quirks of it are what make it palatable vice the NFL. The fact that you have legacy recruits and bloodlines at schools. That your school traditionally is good and puts alot of booster effort in securing the best of everything to be a blue blood. That you went to said school and burnt out too many brain cells rooting for a particular team. Etc. Putting in corporate overlords might make the gamblers and portions of the super hard core fanbase happy, but the everyday person who went to said school and has a school hat probably overall won't like the changes.
Great questions and analysis. It's a pipe dream, for sure.
The idea was first posited in Rick Telander's book "The Hundred-Yard Lie" back in the late '80s, I believe. The idea would be that the entire system would be run by the NFL, which would pay hefty licensing fees to the universities for the use of names, nicknames, facilities, etc. There would be no connection to the university other than the name and the history. The coaches and their salaries, along with player salaries, would be dictated by the NFL. Would Alabama give up its elite status to be just another minor-league franchise? Hell, no. Would we have done so 30 years ago? Now?
The players would get a salary, and they'd also get a voucher for an education. They could cash it in while they play or after their football careers end.
If players want a more traditional college experience, head to a school that has a football program not connected to the NFL.
My own personal problem with college football right now has to do with the 85 scholarships that it eats up, forcing cash-strapped athletic departments like Iowa to drop men's sports or not consider adding potentially lucrative sports such as ice hockey or soccer, or not provide full scholarships to athletes such as baseball players.
But yeah. It's likely not feasible unless the entire college football system becomes so corrupt that a majority of universities start to give up on it. That may be coming, but not anytime soon, or in my lifetime, for sure.
Thanks for the cold dose of reality.
song girls. thats about a 1,000 mile equalizer.Not really. You're going to have to fly to every location so it doesn't make a difference. For Maryland, UVA and UNC are close. For Nebraska? Everything is far.
Sweater puppiessong girls. thats about a 1,000 mile equalizer.
I have no doubt you know quite a bit about getting on your knees.Its a matter of time before conferences don't matter for football and basketball. Warren will try to keep things the same to appease the egghead academics, but he is clueless and incompetent. OSU sees the writing on the wall, it's survival of the fittest right now. Nebraska should get on their knees and beg to be follow osu.