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A poster on another board made a comment that intrigued me. Folks getting antsy about not getting a RB this year (basically unless its Pledger sounds like).

We have 9 RB's on the roster. In 1995 we had 7. Subtracting walk-ons, both teams had 5 scholarship backs. Both teams had one Sr back, and 95 also had LP on it who was probably going pro anyway. This year's only Sr is Adam Taylor.

The '17 backs are Bradley, Bryant, Ozigbo, Taylor, Wilbon on scholarship and Hass, Lambert, Mazour and Rose as walk-ons.

I know what folks are going to say "but I don't think we have a true game changer on the roster". Some might quibble with that, but its besides the point....

The NCAA doesn't let you get above 85 because you don't think you have a true game changer in your massive RB room.
 
I guess I'm ok with the way these backs are going to be used in this offense moving forward...(i think we will see more pass catching rbs) with the explosive wideouts and very tall TEs... it's going to be very difficult to slow this offense down. The backs are serviceable.. and I like their style differences..
 
You been cheatin' on HOL? :D

LOL. I've been a long time member here, I think I joined trying to get the scoop on who would get a crack after Solich. But I find more interesting football discussions elsewhere mostly.

I kind of get tired of explaining to folks who supposedly follow the program, why we are taking more WR's than OL this year. Over, and over, and over.
 
Ziggy and Wilbon are rising juniors and Bryant is the closest thing we have to a feature back. In 2018, those three backs will all be upperclassmen. Only a true difference maker would compete for playing time in 2018 and a lot of backs looking for frosh PT are going look elsewhere. I think you take a back every year, but maybe we take two in the 2019 class.
 
Ziggy and Wilbon are rising juniors and Bryant is the closest thing we have to a feature back. In 2018, those three backs will all be upperclassmen. Only a true difference maker would compete for playing time in 2018 and a lot of backs looking for frosh PT are going look elsewhere. I think you take a back every year, but maybe we take two in the 2019 class.
People who doubt Ozigbo's ability need to go back and watch the Oregon game. That dude was a man. We don't win that game without him IMO. Talk about running with authority. Hopefully he's fully healthy and ready to run over people again this fall. He has very good feet for such a large man and very good hands to go with it. I like this set of backs about as much as any we've had for quite a while.
 
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Jaylin Bradley is an unknown at this point but I like his film immensely, and Bryant, while still young, hasn't done anything to raise an eyebrow for me. The rest of those guys are scrubs. Our RB position group is bunk compared to the old days.

But the feel good story about some walk-on that is outshining all the 'ship players in the off-season should be at least a clue.

I think we have poor RB evaluation.
 
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Agreed. Oz and bryant will be more productive than newby ever was.
Newby did a lot for us. He was just a different kind of back than Devine and Bryant are. Newby was more of a 3rd down and long kind of guy with maybe more straight line speed. Newby was a good back just different. Devine and Bryant can punish people along with catching the ball.
 
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People who doubt Ozigbo's ability need to go back and watch the Oregon game. That dude was a man. We don't win that game without him IMO. Talk about running with authority. Hopefully he's fully healthy and ready to run over people again this fall. He has very good feet for such a large man and very good hands to go with it. I like this set of backs about as much as any we've had for quite a while.
Agreed that Ziggy has played well to very well at times, but his ability has been limited by injury. I think he should follow through on dropping 10-15 lbs, especially with the issues concerning his back. He will be competing with both Tre and Wilbon for snaps this year. The competition will make all of them better.
http://journalstar.com/sports/huske...cle_fcbca2fb-7c82-52e7-88a3-1e516291e3f2.html
 
Jaylin Bradley is an unknown at this point but I like his film immensely, and Bryant, while still young, hasn't done anything to raise an eyebrow for me. The rest of those guys are scrubs. Our RB position group is bunk compared to the old days.

But the feel good story about some walk-on that is outshining all the 'ship players in the off-season should be at least a clue.

I think we have poor RB evaluation.
Man you're hard to please. None of these guys are Earl Campbell but they're all pretty darned good backs and I'm not sure where you get that the walk ons have "outshined" the ship backs. What the walk ons have done is looked like they could help us with depth. None of them are going to start or play much without some injuries.
 
Jaylin Bradley is an unknown at this point but I like his film immensely, and Bryant, while still young, hasn't done anything to raise an eyebrow for me. The rest of those guys are scrubs. Our RB position group is bunk compared to the old days.

But the feel good story about some walk-on that is outshining all the 'ship players in the off-season should be at least a clue.

I think we have poor RB evaluation.

Which is strange because it seems that many folks like to compare how poor Davis is compared to Ron Brown.

The only two backs on the roster I believe evaluated by Davis are Bradley and Bryant (arguably our two most talented). Ozigbo a Warren find, and all the other backs precede Davis.
 
Reason why to take a RB: Probably the most injury-prone position on the field outside of linemen. Oz's track record makes it appear he can not stay healthy a full season. Only a combined 673 net rushing yards return from last year on 155 carries. Excluding OZ from the mix (who is always hurt), that's 261 yards returning from last year. So there really isn't any guarantees that there is a good lead back between OZ, Tre, & Wilbon. Bradley's offer last year was a bit risky. Not by me. I think he will do fine, but been a long while since a RB came out of Omaha has done anything. But the biggest issue right now, huskers dont have a difference maker @ RB right now. Hopefully one can develop but I am not sure any of our RBs would be in the playing rotation at any top 10 school.

Reason why not to take a RB: Do not have the scholarships available. Will have the same 4 RBs on scholarship in 2017 vs 2018. (Taylor doesn't count. His position should be listed as "special teams" @ best.). The 4 walk-ons listed are actually legit football players. Mazour is going to play. But is he a RB or a WR lined up @ RB?... Almost all of the top backs for this recruiting cycle have committed or eliminated us. Not worth taking any RB this year, just to take a body. The staff needs to rethink it's recruiting to get a top recruiter going after RBs. Davis seems like he cant even get his foot in the door for any.

Did I touch all the points?
 
Reason why to take a RB: Probably the most injury-prone position on the field outside of linemen. Oz's track record makes it appear he can not stay healthy a full season. Only a combined 673 net rushing yards return from last year on 155 carries. Excluding OZ from the mix (who is always hurt), that's 261 yards returning from last year. So there really isn't any guarantees that there is a good lead back between OZ, Tre, & Wilbon. Bradley's offer last year was a bit risky. Not by me. I think he will do fine, but been a long while since a RB came out of Omaha has done anything. But the biggest issue right now, huskers dont have a difference maker @ RB right now. Hopefully one can develop but I am not sure any of our RBs would be in the playing rotation at any top 10 school.

Reason why not to take a RB: Do not have the scholarships available. Will have the same 4 RBs on scholarship in 2017 vs 2018. (Taylor doesn't count. His position should be listed as "special teams" @ best.). The 4 walk-ons listed are actually legit football players. Mazour is going to play. But is he a RB or a WR lined up @ RB?... Almost all of the top backs for this recruiting cycle have committed or eliminated us. Not worth taking any RB this year, just to take a body. The staff needs to rethink it's recruiting to get a top recruiter going after RBs. Davis seems like he cant even get his foot in the door for any.

Did I touch all the points?

In terms of the injury argument, we're not any further out in left field than 95. (Put aside feelings about the talent, and just recognize an injured back that doesn't play is an injured back that doesn't play). TO didn't seem to have a whole ton of concern there, even though as a position group, his RB were going to see the ball 80% of snaps.

Arguably this offense is relatively injury friendly for the RB group. You are going to split 35 or so carries a game among three or four backs, maybe more if Mazour gets going, and the FB/WR will take a significant number of run snaps.
 
Newby did a lot for us. He was just a different kind of back than Devine and Bryant are. Newby was more of a 3rd down and long kind of guy with maybe more straight line speed. Newby was a good back just different. Devine and Bryant can punish people along with catching the ball.
Oooook...so what i said remains....oz and bryant will be more productive than newby ever was.
 
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Man you're hard to please. None of these guys are Earl Campbell but they're all pretty darned good backs and I'm not sure where you get that the walk ons have "outshined" the ship backs. What the walk ons have done is looked like they could help us with depth. None of them are going to start or play much without some injuries.
I probably am, but we have had some really good backs come through our program. I am very excited about Jaylin, however I don't give the staff any kudos on that, as they would not have gone after him if he wasn't a local guy. We lucked out on getting him. Time will tell.

Which is strange because it seems that many folks like to compare how poor Davis is compared to Ron Brown.

The only two backs on the roster I believe evaluated by Davis are Bradley and Bryant (arguably our two most talented). Ozigbo a Warren find, and all the other backs precede Davis.
True.. Since Helu, Burkhead and Ameer, it's been pretty weak.
 
People who doubt Ozigbo's ability need to go back and watch the Oregon game. That dude was a man. We don't win that game without him IMO. Talk about running with authority. Hopefully he's fully healthy and ready to run over people again this fall. He has very good feet for such a large man and very good hands to go with it. I like this set of backs about as much as any we've had for quite a while.
Bingo ! He was showing a lot of the right stuff this Spring and he punishes a D
 
McKewon a few weeks back said he though Ozigbo would be wise to not rule out a redshirt this season just to recharge his batteries ...is a redshirt half way through a career common when it doesnt involve an injury?
 
McKewon a few weeks back said he though Ozigbo would be wise to not rule out a redshirt this season just to recharge his batteries ...is a redshirt half way through a career common when it doesnt involve an injury?
no it isn't. McKewon says some pretty stupid stuff sometimes. We'll need Devine and he'll play a bunch this year unless he's hurt.
 
In terms of the injury argument, we're not any further out in left field than 95. (Put aside feelings about the talent, and just recognize an injured back that doesn't play is an injured back that doesn't play). TO didn't seem to have a whole ton of concern there, even though as a position group, his RB were going to see the ball 80% of snaps.

Arguably this offense is relatively injury friendly for the RB group. You are going to split 35 or so carries a game among three or four backs, maybe more if Mazour gets going, and the FB/WR will take a significant number of run snaps.

Talent is too hard to ignore. Is there a feature back on the roster? Can Riley afford to wait 2 or 3 more years to find one?

I think Tre & possibly Bradley are the only 2 backs that could be. But I am not sold they are
 
A poster on another board made a comment that intrigued me. Folks getting antsy about not getting a RB this year (basically unless its Pledger sounds like).

We have 9 RB's on the roster. In 1995 we had 7. Subtracting walk-ons, both teams had 5 scholarship backs. Both teams had one Sr back, and 95 also had LP on it who was probably going pro anyway. This year's only Sr is Adam Taylor.

The '17 backs are Bradley, Bryant, Ozigbo, Taylor, Wilbon on scholarship and Hass, Lambert, Mazour and Rose as walk-ons.

I know what folks are going to say "but I don't think we have a true game changer on the roster". Some might quibble with that, but its besides the point....

The NCAA doesn't let you get above 85 because you don't think you have a true game changer in your massive RB room.
Wait to see how productive our "mediocre" backs are once we have an offense that can effectively throw the ball around a bit.
 
I probably am, but we have had some really good backs come through our program. I am very excited about Jaylin, however I don't give the staff any kudos on that, as they would not have gone after him if he wasn't a local guy. We lucked out on getting him. Time will tell.


True.. Since Helu, Burkhead and Ameer, it's been pretty weak.
Really excited to hear your thoughts on Jaylin. He played against some good players. Some of his games were stunning.
 
Talent is too hard to ignore. Is there a feature back on the roster? Can Riley afford to wait 2 or 3 more years to find one?

I think Tre & possibly Bradley are the only 2 backs that could be. But I am not sold they are
IMO we have maybe 4 guys that COULD be a feature back IF we wanted to go that way. They're all good backs. RB by committee is kind of the way things are for many programs and nfl teams.
 
Really excited to hear your thoughts on Jaylin. He played against some good players. Some of his games were stunning.
I just really think he's a pretty runner. He's big, has great vision, excellent athletic ability. He runs a bit like a gazelle, nice long stride, and good power to get at speed quickly, he can stop, cut, change direction fast. He's a finesse type of guy, and I would like to see a bit more power from him, but he's got all the tools in my opinion.

here's the film I have seen: He makes it look so much easier than it is.
 
Talent is too hard to ignore. Is there a feature back on the roster? Can Riley afford to wait 2 or 3 more years to find one?

I think Tre & possibly Bradley are the only 2 backs that could be. But I am not sold they are

Injuries don't care if you are talented is all I'm saying for that argument. Perhaps we'd rather have superstar guy to carry the rock 35 carries a game instead of by a pseudo committee (which is a talent argument), but apparently 5 scholarship backs was enough security blanket to run the ball on 80% of plays at a high level. It should be enough at our level of output.
 
I'm not as high on Ozigbo as others here. In this offense the RB has to be able to pass block and Ozigbo struggles with that. For every Oregon game Ozigbo has a Tennessee game. On one play the DE beat the tackle but Ozigbo was in good position to pick him up. I was astonished that Ozigbo never moved. The DE blew right by him and sacked the QB. That will net you bench time pretty quickly.
 
I'm not as high on Ozigbo as others here. In this offense the RB has to be able to pass block and Ozigbo struggles with that. For every Oregon game Ozigbo has a Tennessee game. On one play the DE beat the tackle but Ozigbo was in good position to pick him up. I was astonished that Ozigbo never moved. The DE blew right by him and sacked the QB. That will net you bench time pretty quickly.

I think one of the benefits of "by committee" is that each doesn't have to be particularly great. That said pass blocking is listed as a "must" by the staff, so while Zig might be more of short yardage/inside zone specialist if Bryant and others bloom, it'll be interesting to see how that give and take go.
 
I just really think he's a pretty runner. He's big, has great vision, excellent athletic ability. He runs a bit like a gazelle, nice long stride, and good power to get at speed quickly, he can stop, cut, change direction fast. He's a finesse type of guy, and I would like to see a bit more power from him, but he's got all the tools in my opinion.

here's the film I have seen: He makes it look so much easier than it is.
Thank you ! I really enjoyed that. Your analysis was spot on. And not overstated, its real.
 
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I just really think he's a pretty runner. He's big, has great vision, excellent athletic ability. He runs a bit like a gazelle, nice long stride, and good power to get at speed quickly, he can stop, cut, change direction fast. He's a finesse type of guy, and I would like to see a bit more power from him, but he's got all the tools in my opinion.

here's the film I have seen: He makes it look so much easier than it is.


I'm probably going to get mocked (and the Northern Iowa like uniforms probably reinforce this thought) but Jaylin Bradley reminds me a lot of David Johnson. Long stride, great vision and an elite jump cut are a great combination if the requisite blocking comes to be.
 
Great topic! I think Billy Devaney's influence on the talent roster is huge here. From what I've gathered, I hear he likes Bryant as a potential break out star and he's noticed the talents of people like Austin Rose. With limited scholarships, it's going to be bring in a great one or forget about it for a year. I think Billy likes the backs that they have. They will do a good job and there's plenty of depth.

It makes sense to me. One could argue that they have six decent backs and all of them will be coming back next year.
 
IMO we have maybe 4 guys that COULD be a feature back IF we wanted to go that way. They're all good backs. RB by committee is kind of the way things are for many programs and nfl teams.

I like a RB rotation when handled correctly. What I don't like is an "every other series" or "every other game" rotation . RB's need to get into the flow of the game. I don't like to see Tre get most of the carries this week, Oz the next, & then Wilbon the following week. How many times in the past few years did we see someone like Wilbon have a great game one week and disappear the next week. Example, Wilbon has a nice game against NW and the following week we don't see him.

My ideal is Tre to take 70% of the carries and Wilbon develop into a 3 down back. MW's size rivals some of the best 3rd down backs in the league (Sproles, Gio, Dion Lewis, etc). Give Oz some carries every now and then when Bryant needs a breath but don't try to make it even.

More and more NFL teams are really getting away from a "committee". Because to me, a workhorse & a 3rd down back is not a committee. That's just standard. Almost all of the best running teams in the NFL have a feature back. Zeke in Dallas, Bell in Pittsburgh, Johnson in AZ, Murray TN, Shady McCoy BUF & etc. If you want to be honest here, Blount was a workhorse in NE last year. Lewis & White were both 3rd down backs who hardly ever got carries The Falcons probably have the best true committee in place with Coleman & Freeman.

I just think it's time to commit to a RB. As in "your our dude, your only coming out on 3rd down and when you need a breather".

And I think when it's all said and done, JB will be that
 
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I like a RB rotation when handled correctly. What I don't like is an "every other series" or "every other game" rotation . RB's need to get into the flow of the game. I don't like to see Tre get most of the carries this week, Oz the next, & then Wilbon the following week. How many times in the past few years did we see someone like Wilbon have a great game one week and disappear the next week. Example, Wilbon has a nice game against NW and the following week we don't see him.

My ideal is Tre to take 70% of the carries and Wilbon develop into a 3 down back. MW's size rivals some of the best 3rd down backs in the league (Sproles, Gio, Dion Lewis, etc). Give Oz some carries every now and then when Bryant needs a breath but don't try to make it even.

More and more NFL teams are really getting away from a "committee". Because to me, a workhorse & a 3rd down back is not a committee. That's just standard. Almost all of the best running teams in the NFL have a feature back. Zeke in Dallas, Bell in Pittsburgh, Johnson in AZ, Murray TN, Shady McCoy BUF & etc. If you want to be honest here, Blount was a workhorse in NE last year. Lewis & White were both 3rd down backs who hardly ever got carries The Falcons probably have the best true committee in place with Coleman & Freeman.

I just think it's time to commit to a RB. As in "your our dude, your only coming out on 3rd down and when you need a breather".

And I think when it's all said and done, JB will be that

In 2016, Newby got 55% of the carries, followed by Oz at 28%, Bryant at 12% and Wilbon at 4%.

Instead of trying to "make it even", the carries follow a geometric relationship to the depth chart (moving up a spot basically doubles your contribution in the offense with those numbers).

Lets keep in mind here that those 350 combined carries don't include another 113 carries by Tommy which will now probably manifest itself in the pass game/screen game or outright runs by more than likely one of the top 2 RBs.

Considering Oz was hurt, Bryant was a true frosh and Wilbon hadn't really had the light go on again, those stats roughly mirror what'd I'd expect four guys to get who are very capable of toting the rock in the various game situations we'd find ourselves in.

If they are all better this year, it might be hard to keep Wilbon at 4% of carries as a 3rd down back. Especially if Bryant is going to carry 50-60% of the load and we still plan on using Oz on inside zone or out of the backfield. And you still can probably expect 10% or so to go to Bradley. Its possible we may not have a back in single digits percentage carries, if Wilbon and Bradley are good to go.

http://www.espn.com/college-football/team/stats/_/id/158/nebraska-cornhuskers
 
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Well and that doesn't take into consideration Mazour. Although I'm not sure if we expect him to contribute mostly in the screen game.

Also consider WR carries encroaching RB carries, we do have DPE, Spieleman, and Lindsey this year. And Ben Miles, although I'm guessing we'll probably be more apt to use Oz in a big back role more than Miles, at least initially.
 
One major thing to consider is that all of our backs have different specialties, and that's by design. If we end up playing a lot of 2 back sets, which it sounds like we will, you have a power runner (Ozigbo), a pass-catching speed back (Wilbon), and a complete back (Bryant) for all of your one-back formations. That gives you a lot of playcalling versatility. Yes, they all have flaws, but they all bring something different to the table and will all be called upon this season.
 
Jaylin Bradley is an unknown at this point but I like his film immensely, and Bryant, while still young, hasn't done anything to raise an eyebrow for me. The rest of those guys are scrubs. Our RB position group is bunk compared to the old days.

But the feel good story about some walk-on that is outshining all the 'ship players in the off-season should be at least a clue.

I think we have poor RB evaluation.
Bradley scored 50 TOUCHDOWNS in Class A football and won a state title in his senior season. If that's not enough to raise an eyebrow then you'll never be satisfied with a RB from NE. i think the biggest thing is the perception of football has changed in the state so we don't value our kids. I'm telling you there's a lot of true talent here that goes to Wyoming, Kearney etc.... If Bradley was out of Ohio or Texas we would be crowning him the second coming of Ahman Green. i think this kid is as much of risk as Adam Taylor was. My gut tells me by his junior year people will happy he's a husker.
 
I like a RB rotation when handled correctly. What I don't like is an "every other series" or "every other game" rotation . RB's need to get into the flow of the game. I don't like to see Tre get most of the carries this week, Oz the next, & then Wilbon the following week. How many times in the past few years did we see someone like Wilbon have a great game one week and disappear the next week. Example, Wilbon has a nice game against NW and the following week we don't see him.

My ideal is Tre to take 70% of the carries and Wilbon develop into a 3 down back. MW's size rivals some of the best 3rd down backs in the league (Sproles, Gio, Dion Lewis, etc). Give Oz some carries every now and then when Bryant needs a breath but don't try to make it even.

More and more NFL teams are really getting away from a "committee". Because to me, a workhorse & a 3rd down back is not a committee. That's just standard. Almost all of the best running teams in the NFL have a feature back. Zeke in Dallas, Bell in Pittsburgh, Johnson in AZ, Murray TN, Shady McCoy BUF & etc. If you want to be honest here, Blount was a workhorse in NE last year. Lewis & White were both 3rd down backs who hardly ever got carries The Falcons probably have the best true committee in place with Coleman & Freeman.

I just think it's time to commit to a RB. As in "your our dude, your only coming out on 3rd down and when you need a breather".

And I think when it's all said and done, JB will be that

One problem we need to face here in the fan base is that our desires often don't line up with our proposed solutions.

For example, in this thread we've heard some people refer to our backs as average or even scrubs. Assuming that is true, what sense does it make then to give one guy Zeke Elliott type carries? It doesn't. You'd probably get more mileage out of them playing situational football.

The 2nd pet peeve of mine. "We don't have a feature back on the roster, can Riley afford to wait 2-3 years to find one?" If the consensus among the haters is that Jaylin Bradley is the next true "feature back" at NU, we're already in a position where we're probably 2 years away then. The guy is not getting 70% of carries as a frosh and probably not even as a sophomore.

If even Pledger was "the guy", we're talking about 2 years. He won't be on campus for over another year. Riley's job will largely be decided with the folks who are on campus now. In 2018 people will be looking to make a thumbs up or thumbs down, and by then it'll be too late for someone like Pledger to save his job (if it needs saving) unless he's a freshman miracle like Green or Adrian Petersen.
 
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Great topic! I think Billy Devaney's influence on the talent roster is huge here. From what I've gathered, I hear he likes Bryant as a potential break out star and he's noticed the talents of people like Austin Rose. With limited scholarships, it's going to be bring in a great one or forget about it for a year. I think Billy likes the backs that they have. They will do a good job and there's plenty of depth.

It makes sense to me. One could argue that they have six decent backs and all of them will be coming back next year.

I think what you state here is important. We can't under estimate the influence of the team, and particular Devaney.

With 15 or 16 to give, Devaney is going to have a very strong voice in optimal allocation. Davis isn't just going to go out and offer who he likes, take who he likes, and basically run the RB position on his own. He's going to be following a framework/series of "what if" scenarios that's going to have his, Riley's and Devaney's input on it.

I've got questions as to whether Davis can close on the trail, but I'm not at all scared that the personnel side of this is just being left to float in the wind.
 
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A poster on another board made a comment that intrigued me. Folks getting antsy about not getting a RB this year (basically unless its Pledger sounds like).

We have 9 RB's on the roster. In 1995 we had 7. Subtracting walk-ons, both teams had 5 scholarship backs. Both teams had one Sr back, and 95 also had LP on it who was probably going pro anyway. This year's only Sr is Adam Taylor.

The '17 backs are Bradley, Bryant, Ozigbo, Taylor, Wilbon on scholarship and Hass, Lambert, Mazour and Rose as walk-ons.

I know what folks are going to say "but I don't think we have a true game changer on the roster". Some might quibble with that, but its besides the point....

The NCAA doesn't let you get above 85 because you don't think you have a true game changer in your massive RB room.


Watch some film of Bradley. Kid has some talent, for sure
 
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