QB Room under OCDH

[ADV1]

OC responsibilities aside I have to think this was the best thing to happen for that room...

We all have seen Dylan regress and have thought about the possibility that he'd leave so that he can grow into the NFL guy he dreams of being. Heinrich deserves credit for sticking it out in the worst of times... that said, I had always feared that Danny Kaelin wouldn't stick around long especially this year after what we've witnessed.

Fast forward, I have to believe there's a new sense of excitement for these guys. Was Glen Thomas "The Guy" that these fellas wanted? and where has his influence been seen other than HH playing well when the other team was in prevent? I Truly think that this is the most exciting thing our QB room has had since we all dorked out at the possibility when SF came here... One may have to go back to the Callahan Era to have this type of QB excitement/possibility

Trying my hardest not to get to ahead of myself and excited but man did this Offense need this!

 

[BugsAreQualityProtein]

Kaelin may actually be the guy who benefits most from this.

 

[king_kong_]

QB room under Rhule:

Year 1 - we don't have a QB coach but our OC can do it
Year 2 offseason - we hired a QB coach/Co-OC to help our OC
Year 2 after 9 games - just kidding here is another OC

I have no clue how anyone defends this or convinces themselves that little Matty has any sort of plan/vision for OUR program

 

[Zeke2005]

QB room under Rhule:

Year 1 - we don't have a QB coach but our OC can do it
Year 2 offseason - we hired a QB coach/Co-OC to help our OC
Year 2 after 9 games - just kidding here is another OC

I have no clue how anyone defends this or convinces themselves that little Matty has any sort of plan/vision for OUR program

Chill out and see what happens. We currently suck. Maybe we will suck a little less these last 3 games.

 

[NikkiSixx]

QB room under Rhule:

Year 1 - we don't have a QB coach but our OC can do it
Year 2 offseason - we hired a QB coach/Co-OC to help our OC
Year 2 after 9 games - just kidding here is another OC

I have no clue how anyone defends this or convinces themselves that little Matty has any sort of plan/vision for OUR program

I'm guessing it's a 3 game deal..

then Matty has to find another OC during the coaching carousel

OR , if the impact is low or non-existant in the next 3, Matty will have his proof and put Satt back in the drivers seat as he just proved it was not an OC problem to Husker fans.

 

[king_kong_]

I'm guessing it's a 3 game deal..

then Matty has to find another OC during the coaching carousel

people thought it was a mistake that we had no identity on offense this year.

people are surprised that our defensive identity seems to wane week to week.

when your head coach has no identity for the program, it's just what happens.

 

[V-Doub]

I think, hiring a coach with DH’s resume would make most offensive players want to stick around and see if he can make people/this offense better. I guess we’ll see wheat happens. Now… if (big if) we see some immediate improvement this season, I suspect we’ll see some big transfers and/or recruits wanting on board as well.

 

[ADV1]

I'm guessing it's a 3 game deal..

then Matty has to find another OC during the coaching carousel

You really think so? I thought Dana wants to be a HC again and wanted to prove himself somewhere? would need more than 3 games to do that... I honestly don't know his future but hopefully this is long term and he allows him to make the appropriate changes to be successful...

 

[The_Man_Behind_The_Man]

Chill out and see what happens. We currently suck. Maybe we will suck a little less these last 3 games.

I 100% agree with this. Maybe a bit of fresh air should be welcomed because as OP pointed out we were going to suck anyways before DH.

 

[NikkiSixx]

You really think so? I thought Dana wants to be a HC again and wanted to prove himself somewhere? would need more than 3 games to do that... I honestly don't know his future but hopefully this is long term and he allows him to make the appropriate changes to be successful...

the way it was worded makes me think it's just a 3 game deal. It didn't sound like it covered any potential bowl game.. jeez, that feels like a 4 letter word these days

is Nebraska OC where DH wants to be for next year? or is he just helping Matt out for a few games?

 

[SickOfPractice]

It will be fascinating to see how seamless, or not, this looks in a game.

I would assume on the short term that it's Holgorsen who's adapting to what's in our playbook and the verbage?

 

[king_kong_]

It will be fascinating to see how seamless, or not, this looks in a game.

I would assume on the short term that it's Holgorsen who's adapting to what's in our playbook and the verbage?

f*ck the verbiage, burn the playbook.

he needs to adjust to the players we have on the field and what little they do well.

 

[Sinomatic]

I'm guessing it's a 3 game deal..

then Matty has to find another OC during the coaching carousel

OR , if the impact is low or non-existant in the next 3, Matty will have his proof and put Satt back in the drivers seat as he just proved it was not an OC problem to Husker fans.

This would be a real sh:::::y thing to do in my opinion. Satt's average offense over 7 years is like 91st.

1.4 million a year. Goodness. I could probably be having this offense score as much as they have and I don't know a thing about coaching. I would have let HH take the offense this year from the start. But again I have no exp as a coach.

 

[HuskerO]

QB room under Rhule:

Year 1 - we don't have a QB coach but our OC can do it
Year 2 offseason - we hired a QB coach/Co-OC to help our OC
Year 2 after 9 games - just kidding here is another OC

I have no clue how anyone defends this or convinces themselves that little Matty has any sort of plan/vision for OUR program

Yup. All successful organizations never once made a mistake. And if they did, they never made adjustments to correct their mistakes.

 

[king_kong_]

Yup. All successful organizations never once made a mistake. And if they did, they never made adjustments to correct their mistakes.

Where do you hang your hat if you're Rhule and his OC/QB coach blunders are just "mistakes"?

Tell me what makes Matt Rhule's Nebraska Cornhuskers a "successful organization".

Then I will listen to you explain away this latest "mistake" with an open mind.

 

[SickOfPractice]

f*ck the verbiage, burn the playbook.

he needs to adjust to the players we have on the field and what little they do well.

I hope you're joking, at least for these last 3 games. Asking college players to adapt to a new playbook in two weeks time would be disastrous, imo. Holgorsen is an experienced coach who should be able to pick & choose amongst the plays our offense already is familiar with. What plays are called & when seems to be one of Satt's major failings.

 

[HuskAir]

Where do you hang your hat if you're Rhule and his OC/QB coach blunders are just "mistakes"?

Tell me what makes Matt Rhule's Nebraska Cornhuskers a "successful organization".

Then I will listen to you explain away this latest "mistake" with an open mind.

1. Preacher is great in front of a mic.
2. They beat Colorado, who is now a top 25 team.
3. After getting curb-stomped by Indiana, they almost beat Ohio St!
4. They lost to UCLA, which has proven they aren’t as bad as their terrible record indicates.
5. Greatest 5 win team in recent memory.

 

[mgbreis]

I hope you're joking, at least for these last 3 games. Asking college players to adapt to a new playbook in two weeks time would be disastrous, imo. Holgorsen is an experienced coach who should be able to pick & choose amongst the plays our offense already is familiar with. What plays are called & when seems to be one of Satt's major failings.

This is true, although I think DH will add a few new things - maybe just 3-4 plays. I also expect to see a very simple game plan for USC focused on running and getting DR more comfortable against pressure. We'll see.

 

[HuskerO]

Where do you hang your hat if you're Rhule and his OC/QB coach blunders are just "mistakes"?

Tell me what makes Matt Rhule's Nebraska Cornhuskers a "successful organization".

Then I will listen to you explain away this latest "mistake" with an open mind.

Jeez, you're hung up on the word "mistake"? Use whatever term or word you'd like and replace it with my word "mistake".

I never said Nebraska is currently a successful organization under Rhule. Before any successful organization got to their current level of success, I'm sure there were many mistakes (or insert any word you'd like) along the way.

 

[king_kong_]

Jeez, you're hung up on the word "mistake"? Use whatever term or word you'd like and replace it with my word "mistake".

I never said Nebraska is currently a successful organization under Rhule. Before any successful organization got to their current level of success, I'm sure there were many mistakes (or insert any word you'd like) along the way.

this is what you said:

Yup. All successful organizations never once made a mistake. And if they did, they never made adjustments to correct their mistakes.

if Rhule's Huskers aren't a successful organization, this post is neither here nor there. utterly meaningless and not even tangentially related to the topic at hand.

for every one organization navigating its mistakes en route to success, there are tens of thousands of rudderless organizations sunken by them.

we have no vision. we have no identity. we have no North Star by which to guide us through tumult.

we are bobbing aimlessly with the tide of college football.

 

[Landomatic]

QB room under Rhule:

Year 1 - we don't have a QB coach but our OC can do it
Year 2 offseason - we hired a QB coach/Co-OC to help our OC
Year 2 after 9 games - just kidding here is another OC

I have no clue how anyone defends this or convinces themselves that little Matty has any sort of plan/vision for OUR program

Combine that with the Sims situation last year and it definitely makes you wonder about his ability to evaluate talent...coaching and player talent

 

[Pennsyhusker]

QB room under Rhule:

Year 1 - we don't have a QB coach but our OC can do it
Year 2 offseason - we hired a QB coach/Co-OC to help our OC
Year 2 after 9 games - just kidding here is another OC

I have no clue how anyone defends this or convinces themselves that little Matty has any sort of plan/vision for OUR program

All valid points. Which is why I share your negative assessment of Rhule. This new OC hire is either a brilliant move that might energize things, or it is a desperation move by a coach who knows his job is on the hot seat. I even wonder if the AD has not met with Rhule and told him that: A) Rhule was not his hire and so he is not invested in his success on a career level; and B) Therefore, either put up or shut up.

 

[king_kong_]

All valid points. Which is why I share your negative assessment of Rhule. This new OC hire is either a brilliant move that might energize things, or it is a desperation move by a coach who knows his job is on the hot seat. I even wonder if the AD has not met with Rhule and told him that: A) Rhule was not his hire and so he is not invested in his success on a career level; and B) Therefore, either put up or shut up.

this move does nothing but lengthen Rhule's leash.

now the next 3 games don't matter, Year 2 never happened and we're on to Year 3.

 

[itseasyas1-2-3]

QB room under Rhule:

Year 1 - we don't have a QB coach but our OC can do it
Year 2 offseason - we hired a QB coach/Co-OC to help our OC
Year 2 after 9 games - just kidding here is another OC

I have no clue how anyone defends this or convinces themselves that little Matty has any sort of plan/vision for OUR program

I think, and i like Matt, but he was buying the same crap he has been peddling.
One thing to talk about it, a whole different thing to actually do it.

 

[itseasyas1-2-3]

f*ck the verbiage, burn the playbook.

he needs to adjust to the players we have on the field and what little they do well.

That's the point I made in another thread.

 

[itseasyas1-2-3]

I hope you're joking, at least for these last 3 games. Asking college players to adapt to a new playbook in two weeks time would be disastrous, imo. Holgorsen is an experienced coach who should be able to pick & choose amongst the plays our offense already is familiar with. What plays are called & when seems to be one of Satt's major failings.

Not to be argumentative, but this is not as hard as you might think.

 

[HuskerO]

this is what you said:


if Rhule's Huskers aren't a successful organization, this post is neither here nor there. utterly meaningless and not even tangentially related to the topic at hand.

for every one organization navigating its mistakes en route to success, there are tens of thousands of rudderless organizations sunken by them.

we have no vision. we have no identity. we have no North Star by which to guide us through tumult.

we are bobbing aimlessly with the tide of college football.

You're right, IF it's not a successful organization then my post is neither here nor there. But as of right now, it's in limbo so it's perfectly reasonable for me to point out what I did.

 

[Dean Pope]

this move does nothing but lengthen Rhule's leash.

now the next 3 games don't matter, Year 2 never happened and we're on to Year 3.

The guy has an eight year contract. No leash has been lengthened. It's a nylon leash, a quality leash. Not one of those retractable ones.

 

[WHCSC]

All valid points. Which is why I share your negative assessment of Rhule. This new OC hire is either a brilliant move that might energize things, or it is a desperation move by a coach who knows his job is on the hot seat. I even wonder if the AD has not met with Rhule and told him that: A) Rhule was not his hire and so he is not invested in his success on a career level; and B) Therefore, either put up or shut up.

Why can’t it be both?

 

[king_kong_]

You're right, IF it's not a successful organization then my post is neither here nor there. But as of right now, it's in limbo so it's perfectly reasonable for me to point out what I did.

our program - which currently holds the longest non-bowl streak in P4 and just hired a guy off the street to be a full-time coordinator and play caller - is in "limbo"?

brother, I'd hate to see what it would need to look like for you to consider it unsuccessful.

 

[SickOfPractice]

Not to be argumentative, but this is not as hard as you might think.

I'll yield as football is one sport I've never coached. I hope you're very right.

 

[mgbreis]

this move does nothing but lengthen Rhule's leash.

now the next 3 games don't matter, Year 2 never happened and we're on to Year 3.

We were always on to year 3. The leash was always at least that long.

 

[king_kong_]

We were always on to year 3. The leash was always at least that long.

now there will be no judgement until after Year 4.

 

[mgbreis]

now there will be no judgement until after Year 4.

You're really, really gonna hate the metrics that get used in the oncoming years to judge whether Rhule keeps his job. Like, if he wins one of the next 3 games it's going to be seen as a successful year by the admin. If he wins 8 next year they'll be ready to extend him.

 

[ZaneHickey]

QB room under Rhule:

Year 1 - we don't have a QB coach but our OC can do it
Year 2 offseason - we hired a QB coach/Co-OC to help our OC
Year 2 after 9 games - just kidding here is another OC

I have no clue how anyone defends this or convinces themselves that little Matty has any sort of plan/vision for OUR program

“Little Matty”…is this personal?

 

[NikkiSixx]

I think there is outside pressure being applied big time.. there is no way 'Little Matty' does this desperation hail mary if the AD or 'someone' wasn't breathing down his back.

and now that 'they' know they can make him jump like a little school girl, oh you better believe they will continue to push that button.

 

[itseasyas1-2-3]

I'll yield as football is one sport I've never coached. I hope you're very right.

Many of the plays in football are the same play with different terminology. One guys 36 pitch is another guys pre-motion 36 dive. All you do is go the the playsheet and write:

pre-motion 36 dive = 36 pitch. Same play, different terminology and Holgorson knows what he just called and the team already knows the same play call they've used for 1 3/4 years.

You match up all the close to identical plays this team already has and he uses his terminology translated into plays they already know.

I think it will be a bigtime scaled down version of what NU has been running, and no doubt, there will be plays that DH will shitcan since they've been non-productive for 2 years, i.e. the little flare passes to Fidone going laterally. I think you run that same formation, same looking play but with a WR coming on a short cross or the back slipping out of the backfield. I think DH is a creative dude.

We may have guys actually being open in space. First thing I would do is say to Rhule, get your analyst to give me a rundown of the numbers of EACH play we've run the last 1+ years, how productive they were. I would go from there. If we've run a jet sweep 20 times in 1+ years and had 1 play of 20 yards and every other one averaged 3 yards, whats the point of running that play? And if that 20 yard play worked, what did we do to set that play up to work?

If we've run that lateral flare to Fidone 20 times this year and had 1- 5 yard gain, and 19 times we got 1 yard or less, what's the point of wasting a down? If you're gonna use that play, use it only to set up something that comes off that play.

I think at times it will look like a total cluster, at times, it might look like the playcaller actually has a clue.

 

[Tuco Salamanca]

I think you will see more 3 and 4 WR sets and more rollout passes off of PA.

There are those formations in the current offense, but Satt is a pro style offense guy

 

[Tuco Salamanca]

TE is probably the position that will suffer the most. Fidone will be lining up split off the LOS more

 

[HuskerO]

our program - which currently holds the longest non-bowl streak in P4 and just hired a guy off the street to be a full-time coordinator and play caller - is in "limbo"?

brother, I'd hate to see what it would need to look like for you to consider it unsuccessful.

It has not been determined yet whether the Rhule experiment will end up being a success or not.

Even before year 1 people said it may take him 3 years to find success. You don't have to like it, but that was the concensus. Now, not even 2 full seasons in, you've claimed he'll end up unsuccessful.