I would LOVE it if you would please share your emails that you send out on the topic. If not, I totally understand.
POLL: Coach Williams, would you retain him?
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That is what you trash talk about it? Really?
Don't you just trash talk about wins and losses like everyone else?
If he's fired, and not offered any help, I'll be more than happy to do just that.
Nah, I think you fire him and let him deal with the consequences. You give him a list of treatment centers etc, and you let the professionals deal with it. The staff moves on and worries about coaching football this season.
While that may sound harsh, it allows everyone to focus on what is at hand, including KW.
Great thanks! I don't think he will be fired but who knows for sure at this point!
It's his first problem @ NU.
So much for selling kids that the program is a family or unless you kick your family members out after they slip up.
So much for selling kids that the program is a family or unless you kick your family members out after they slip up.
According to the chart below, the above isn't accurate.
http://www.drjoe.net.au/blood-alcohol-calculator/
10 drinks in 3 hours = .151 BAL
11 drinks in 4 hours = .156 BAL
11.5 drinks in 5 hours = .151 BAL
12.5 drink in 6 hours = .156 BAL
Maybe we have a different definition of drinking pretty heavily.
Maybe that happens in the short term, but he's actually better off having the time to deal with this situation for his long term health.
It's not about kicking your family members out, it's more about allowing him to focus on his issue and deal with it.
There is no way he can coach football and deal with this all at the same time. It's called tough love, and I understand not everyone is going to agree with it.
It is a matter of perspective. To me taking 10 drinks in a week is a moderate drinker, so 10 in 3 hours to me is heavy.
My bad, I'm not talking about the staff. I'm talking about the University. I think it's safe to assume the current football staff members will support coach Williams any way possible.
I can see that point. What if the 10 drinks in a week were consumed in 3 hours, and that's it? I know you may think it's unlikely that happens but can honestly say that's me. I rarely drink during the week, heck I rarely drink during the year outside of a holiday/birthday event. On football Saturday though, and I'll include the Super Bowl, I typically put down a 9-12 beers during a Husker game if I'm not attending it in person. Once the game is over, I switch to water unless it's a late game then I head to bed.
I'm getting off topic somewhat, my bad.
Yeah, I don't think those are that accurate.
When I got my DUI in '09 I had been drinking for 6 hours and had about 20. I blew a .22 at the station. No fun....don't drink and drive.
It's the only calculator I found online, I'm no expert. I figured coach Williams is 160 pounds and went from there.
I consider 10 drinks every week to be a moderate drinker whether consumed at two each weeknight, or 10 during a ballgame. However, if a person told me once a week he lines up 10 shots and drinks them in 5 minutes, well, I would have to think awhile about where to pigeonhole that guy.
For me I would keep him and follow whatever program the professionals say is best for Williams.
Going forward I would buy everyone on my staff a personal breathalyzer to have on their person and tell them don't be stupid because your toast if you drink and drive.
Going forward I would buy everyone on my staff a personal breathalyzer to have on their person and tell them don't be stupid because your toast if you drink and drive.
Are you guys seriously going to let an Iowa fan troll you by trying to pick apart his post with online BAC calculators? Nebraska looks really bad here no matter what happens with Williams. His actions were incredibly stupid and there is no sense in trying to defend it.
It's not defending it, it's continuing the conversation. This is a message board, where discussions are welcome.
No?
10 drinks in 3 hours isn't heavy drinking??? Wow, who the hell are you, Oliver Reed?
Well timnsun, it is sarcasm or an embellishment, take your pick.BUT, there are people who are saying you can't speculate, and that want to believe there's no cause leading to a result. So, this would be my honest take, what I'd tell ya if we were sitting around talking about it.
In the end, it doesn't matter what you or I think. There's gonna be a small group of people, getting feedback from persons of interest, that will be making the decision of keeping Williams or letting him go. They'll be factoring the cost of letting him go (in terms of unknown football success), the cost of keeping him (if he mucks up again or negative perception), if precedence has been set in similar circumstances and there could be legal liability. It may have to wait until after sentencing, and may all hinge upon the severity of the sentencing. There's a lot of donation money that gets funneled into the university system outside of football, and these people have opinions too, so to me, this is NOT just about football. So, the decision may already be made, just waiting on the timing to publicly announce it. I don't know.
I have an opinion, it's just different than yours. I'm not judging Keith Williams. I'm judging his actions compared to what I expect from someone representing the University of Nebraska and the state of Nebraska. We all have problems. I have an abundance of goodwill for those that choose to face their problems. I have an abundance of disdain for those that create problems, especially if it's the same problem over and over again.
If we let Williams go, I'm not gonna gloat about it. If we keep Williams, I'm not gonna go on some tirade. This is a bad situation involving people.
Nikki I am going to go out on a limb here and assume your a music fan. Your name appears to be taken from the guitarist from Motley Crew. Anyway, a musician by the name of Kurt Cobain (maybe you've herd of him) had a substance abuse problem. His wife and his band mates thought tough love was the answer to reaching him, it did the opposite. He blew his freaking head off with a shotgun after being on a week long heroin binge.
What he really needed was someone to talk to and something to be a part of. Not to be isolated. His group Nirvana wasn't playing shows nor was it recording. This left Kurt with too much time on his hands. (and I am sure you know this story)
Point being, often times then not, structure and being part of something helps people with substance abuse. Tough love hardly does. I am not against tough love as motivation, just against it with people with substance abuse issues.
And for every example where tough love backfired, there's a story where tough love works. Same with coddling - sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.
The point being that there is no one fix for everyone. This is life.
You're right, there is no magic bullet that works for everyone.
As for Kurt, I think his wife is to blame.. I don't think that was suicide, but rather murder.
He should be kept, how many of us could easily be in his does with a dui? Probably all at one point, doesnt matter if you got caught or not. He either has horrible luck or is not smart. Either way he deserves another chance.
I'm pretty sure 10 drinks in 3 hours would be considered heavy drinking. Shoot, more than 5 or 6 drinks makes me worthless the next day, and tired the following day.
It's a sickness, he needs help, I believe The University realizes this & will help and support the man. I have faith he will be a better man.
In another life, I felt like Ray Milland many times.
In another life, I felt like Ray Milland many times.
Yeah, like many weekends since NU lost to Miami in the Rose Bowl - lost weekends.
Great movie. Costarred Ronald Reagan's first wife.
Crap 10 drinks in 3 hours would put me away for 2 days. BTW who is making the drinks, @rrthusker when he's courting the ladies at happy hour at 3pm or @Biff Bridges on a Friday afternoon after he's roped the biggest bad ass steer in the land. Either way I'm drinking coffee & eating bacon & eggs after 10 drinks..
Dude, I have the access codes to every retirement home in town & I know most of the dietitians. How do you think we respond to all the lift assists. I'm your wing man buddy.
Truth be told, if I drink more than 3 or 4 drinks, I'm feeling it the next day. I just don't drink more than 2 or 3 drinks at a time that often any more. Gettin' old..
