Perlman Extending Eichorst's Contract
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Which is my point. He stated he doesn't comment in season about coaches yet he did it twice with Pelini in 2013 and twice this year with Riley.
I wouldn't expect any AD to comment after every loss. To say you don't then do it 4 times in 2 years has a perception that something is not going well and feels like a C.Y.A. strategy.
Nowhere did I see that in your reply, your sole focus was on this season, 2015.
Correct. My focus was on this season. However, you mentioned he did it to Pelini in 2013 so I assumed you wanted to expand the comparison to include 2013.
No, I entered the fact that he did it twice in 2013, people (conveniently) forget about that. If that isn't you....
This move was 1000% predictable. Shawn is his boy. And, how could anybody even argue that he isn't doing a remarkable job as AD? He's probably the best AD in the history of ADs, as evidenced by the brilliant hiring of maybe the greatest college football coach in the history of college football. Why are we even talking about this? Everything is prefect and going to get even more perfecter.
IMHO, Eichorst will be out of Lincoln before the end of his original contract...with or without this extension.
When Perlman begins talking about an extension it became President and BoR business. That is the oversight they are elected (BoR, at least) and paid to provide.
Funny, just a few days ago you stated Eichorst future is in "serious doubt." I see you are the guy who likes to throw chit at the wall and see what sticks....
Although you're correct, I don't recall it happening before. I found it interesting, just like Archie did.
The program leadership has cemented its legacy in mediocrity. It's OK just being OK. As long as we're all smiling. 
Admittedly, I don't have any sort of understanding into how the process of hiring and extending contracts for ADs works.
However, it seems very short-sighted to do this at this point in time. Why not just wait 3 weeks, and see how things go with the rest of the football season, and see how the AD's most high visibility (and probably most important) hire finishes the season before making this call? Is it standard procedure for universities to always do this in season?
I think the losses this year (especially the Illinois and Purdue losses) have shortened the "guaranteed" tenure of Riley from 4-5 years down to 3 (and more likely 2). Even if Nebraska loses the next 3 games, if there is some sort of progress, or some reason for fans to have optimism heading into the 2016 season, I will consider the end of the season a marginal success compared to where we are right now. And I think fans will be excited for next year, and the sellout streak remains intact, and it will be an ok offseason.
If the team looks like it has the last few weeks, and is just not ready to play again for the next 3 games, I think it's safe to say that there will be zero optimism heading into next year, and depending on how the season goes, it could be a 2-year tenure for this staff. I suspect that even if the sellout streak doesn't officially end next season, you will be able to see hundreds of empty seats every game, as people will just not want to shell out the dollars for what we've seen on the field so far from MR and company.
Again, I just don't see the rationale in doing this now rather than waiting until after the Iowa game, but it could be some sort of unofficial policy for how things work in big-time athletic departments.
However, it seems very short-sighted to do this at this point in time. Why not just wait 3 weeks, and see how things go with the rest of the football season, and see how the AD's most high visibility (and probably most important) hire finishes the season before making this call? Is it standard procedure for universities to always do this in season?
I think the losses this year (especially the Illinois and Purdue losses) have shortened the "guaranteed" tenure of Riley from 4-5 years down to 3 (and more likely 2). Even if Nebraska loses the next 3 games, if there is some sort of progress, or some reason for fans to have optimism heading into the 2016 season, I will consider the end of the season a marginal success compared to where we are right now. And I think fans will be excited for next year, and the sellout streak remains intact, and it will be an ok offseason.
If the team looks like it has the last few weeks, and is just not ready to play again for the next 3 games, I think it's safe to say that there will be zero optimism heading into next year, and depending on how the season goes, it could be a 2-year tenure for this staff. I suspect that even if the sellout streak doesn't officially end next season, you will be able to see hundreds of empty seats every game, as people will just not want to shell out the dollars for what we've seen on the field so far from MR and company.
Again, I just don't see the rationale in doing this now rather than waiting until after the Iowa game, but it could be some sort of unofficial policy for how things work in big-time athletic departments.
As usual, you missed the point. He called the Sadler extension asinine when I just laid out a few reasons why he might have done so. I also pointed out that it is a poor comparison - you should be comparing the proposed extension of SE to how they extended SP. The logic for extending SE's contract doesn't hold up considering the year the football team is having this year when you compare it to the other two scenarios. If he does extend SE, I just hope he includes some mitigation clauses this time. It would be embarrassing for such an esteemed legal mind and administrator to make the same mistake twice.
It's absolutely ridiculous to be contacting the president and/or elected regents for something so common. Last year many of the regents made it very clear they were annoyed by the fact that they had to be so public regarding a seventh year HC - now we are contacting them to get clarity on Riley in his first year? It's completely stupid and alarmingly amateurish.
This isn't hard to understand. HP is getting SE's back. SE is getting MR's back. MR will get the time he deserves to right the ship and show he can win. If it hasn't happened by year 4-5 the new chancellor will have to get involved.
Before you tell someone else they're "as usual missing a point", understand their point and save the personal embarrassment. Or, continue on as is, doesn't matter to me.
No mention of the legal minds at President (at the time, J.B.), and/or Board of Regents (now, Clare, Schroeder and Schafer), why is that?!? Is the contract not entered between Eichorst and the BOR's?
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If millions of dollars of taxpayer money is deemed "absolutely ridiculous", I'd hate to see your definition of real money. The president and BoR have a responsibility to the taxpayers of this state to ensure that public funds are spent wisely, period. It's called public trust and over sight. Get a grip on reality, pal.
That is such bullshit. The local sporting hacks that wrote this crap are badgering them. Period. Nothing about this article or any other of this type will change one damn thing, and more importantly, the goal of this article has nothing to do with accountability. What is does do, however, is illustrate the absurd level of magnification that can come with our football program; though, this may be a new low on that front.
Just curious...what do you think was the motivation for the article? Why would HP even bring up contract negotiations at such an emotionally charged time? Personally, from my little cave in West O, I see the talk of an extension at this point in time as a simple case of HP shaking his arse at MR and SE numerous detractors. Regardless, I think he has exercised extremely poor judgment bringing the topic up now. If an extension is warranted, do it and move on without the grandstanding.
See post 54 on HP.
Article was written for clicks - but I think it makes us look stupid. We can't go running to the president and regents each time politics comes up in an administrative structure. One won't find an administrative structure devoid of this kind of stuff - it's ubiquitous.
If people haven't realized it yet, the AD, the BoR, the "everyone that matters who isn't a pissed off fan" is working on a set of assumptions and timelines that *are not* week to week.
They don't care if we win by 50, lose by 40, or fight some kind of close game in between. The people that matter have decided that Riley is going to be the guy for some period of time to rebuild a roster with no depth, no culture, and bad attitudes in spots. This amount of time might only be two years, it might be 4 or 5 years, but the minimum number of years is two. These last three games don't matter when you as a University have decided he is your guy for at least another 15 months. The games next year will matter again, because even if Riley is the right "culture" guy, the Administration probably can't hang with him if he wins 3 games next year.
While I agree with much of what you have said, I'd be very reluctant to extend Eichorst at this juncture. Obviously, there needs to be a long term plan in place. But, the fact is that right now all of us are hoping that MR does something that he has NEVER done before in his coaching career...win titles. His success or failure is squarely on SE and HP. Extending SE at this time is just as ludicrous as extending MR...they are one and the same.
I think you're right about a longer time horizon being ideal, and paying less attention to the week-to-week results of the team. I just think that if (and this is a big if) the team looks like they did against Purdue and NW over the next 3 weeks, and there is no demonstrable progress or reason for optimism going forward, there will not be a whole lot of fan excitement going into next year. If there's not fan excitement and the team struggles early next year, it's likely the sellout streak ends, or if it keeps going, the stadium will visibly be at less than capacity. And when that ends, even if their original time horizon was longer and they didn't want to pay attention to week-to-week results, it will be staring them in the face that the program has faltered significantly over the course of the tenure of the HC that the AD hired. And it will look like a silly contract extension at that point.
Again, I'm not sure how the contract extensions typically work, and I hope to see some progress over the next 3 games, but it's not difficult to see a scenario where this decision looks really stupid in about 12 months.
I love posts like this.. it's like opposite theory thinking..
Since the historical trend is that you up their salary, extend the contract, then a firing comes later.. this is brilliant..
All those people moaning and complaining should be rejoicing, as the first step toward the firing has just taken place.
Excellent post Janne!
I just don't think Harvey should be extending contracts when he will be out the door in a few months. Especially when his track record with this type of thing is not good. Leave it up to the new chancellor and president.
Speaking of reality....
There are ZERO taxpayer dollars involved in Nebraska athletics. The athletic department is self funded, one of approximately 12 or so P5 programs that can say that.
This is kind of where I'm at with this right now as well. I get the whole idea of extending coaches contracts so as to not impact recruiting, and ensure stability. Not sure I buy in as much with AD contracts. They could wait until next year to do some of this stuff without much significant impact to any programs.
Yes, but why wait, especially for a pro forma exercise?
The only reason I can think of is that it gives the bitters a ray of hope that evil ADSE will get fired by the next guy.
The only place this happens is Nebraska with Harvey in charge. Eichorst has not built of any good will with any positive previous hires and his 62 year old coach was a major reach. Like I said, there isn't any other major division l programs who would take him at this point to head their athletic department. There is no need to waste more money on the mute when he will likely be fired within a couple years.
Surely you are not suggesting that that the university need not be good stewards of the money people like me donate, are you? If you are, Tim, I'd say that you probably need to get a grip as well.
This post is soooo stupid. HP the guy who has been at the helm for incredible accomplishments and growth at UNL. Yup. Sticking it to UNL. Good God.
How the hell you come up with that after I corrected you is beyond me. The reality is, you were wrong, own it.
I guess I don't necessarily consider extending his contract pro forma at this point? Personally, I like what I've seen *ducks* but at this University, Football is king. If, by next year, the program looks like its on solid footing, great, give him that extension. I'm just not sure it's prudent at this point in time, with things going the way they are. I'm 100% behind Coach Riley and Mr. Eichorst *ducks again*, but I don't know that an extension is warranted until some measurable progress is achieved.
HP understands that these next few months in recruiting are critical. We need to remove as much potential ammunition as possible regarding the tenure of our AD and head coach for opposing coaches to use. Everybody knows that IF an AD is short term that there is a good possibility that the head coach is too.
You're the one that claimed tax dollars were involved, that's false and I corrected you.
Distract my ass, know WTF you're talking about next time.
I don't care if these extensions are standard fare... It's absolutely tone deaf on perlmans part to offer it but then shine a light on it in this pathetic high profile article. Which is pandering political theater. I can just see Perlman telling his secretary to call the paper to position this stupid interview.
You conveniently left about the part of being a good steward of donations.
Let's see...arrogant, sarcastic, and wrong...sounds like my ex-wife. Is that you, Kathleen?
If HP understands how critical these next few months are, is the out of nowhere response to extend the AD's contract a confirmation that this isn't going as planned? Most opposing coaches know our recent history with extensions and firing people...
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