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OT - Trying to “buy American”

Just bought some American made Ivanko weight plates and a power bar. Won't be here for a few months though. Pretty sure they make the weight castings in South America and then do the final milling and urethane application here.

Also buying a Legend Fitness power rack/deadlift platform, built in Tennessee.

Although the practical side of me says I should have bought foreign made. All that stuff is overkill for a home gym and the foreign stuff I can get now, instead of X months from now. And it would be a third the cost.
 
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4 years without him is even more unthinkable. **** the socialist left.
Doing a bang up job on the economy right now... that being said, now that American quality is approaching German and Japanese manufacturing it makes sense to buy American again... I bought Ford and Chevy even when their quality was down so I can say I did my part!
 
Doing a bang up job on the economy right now... that being said, now that American quality is approaching German and Japanese manufacturing it makes sense to buy American again... I bought Ford and Chevy even when their quality was down so I can say I did my part!

Yah, with tools and random toys I like to buy American if its deserving of the price premium. Probably the bulk of my purchases goes towards European and Japanese brands though. The two biggest things I've invested in that are American is my home theater/speakers and my gym.

But I've never had a love of American cars. Probably will never buy one, too many other good options out there.
 
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Exactly. If anyone thinks it’s not possible to make a washer/dryer/TV/etc that’s lasts until the end of time, then I don’t know what to say.


Its possible to make quality products. My great grandmother bought her first refrigerator in 1948. That General Electric refrigerator/freezer is currently plugged in, running and working perfecting in my parents garage at this very moment. It has never been repaired.
 
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Its possible to make quality products. My great grandmother bought her first refrigerator in 1948. That General Electric refrigerator/freezer is currently plugged in, running and working perfecting in my parents garage at this very moment. It has never been repaired.
I believe you completely, but here is the kicker, even though those old refrigerators and freezers still run they are grossly inefficient. We were using a 40 year old deep freezer gave it away and bought a new one, holy crap the savings on electricity was amazing
 
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I believe you completely, but here is the kicker, even though those old refrigerators and freezers still run they are grossly inefficient. We were using a 40 year old deep freezer gave it away and bought a new one, holy crap the savings on electricity was amazing

That really doesn't stand to reason. A deep freeze has a pretty small compressor, even if its 40 years old. You shouldn't have noticed much, if any, difference in your utility bill from it.
 
Its possible to make quality products. My great grandmother bought her first refrigerator in 1948. That General Electric refrigerator/freezer is currently plugged in, running and working perfecting in my parents garage at this very moment. It has never been repaired.

The landfills have long been full of it's brethren that didn't last near that long.

My folks have a chest freezer 20 years that's still going strong. No reason to believe it won't make it another 20. It's from the made in China era of American retail for sure.

Half the reason companies don't build forever product anymore is that consumers generally arentt looking for forever product.

The first thing people do when they buy a house is update all the appliances and repaint because the style is "outdated" even if it was done in 2005.

My grandparents were of the generation that didn't throw anything away if it worked or could be reused. Walking into their homes after they die is like being in a time capsule.

Thatdoes not define my parents or my generation. We consume at much higher rates and throw away perfectly good stuff all the time. When my parents die their house will roughly look like present day at that future date.

Even if GE built a forever dishwasher for extra cost we'd long since thrown it away. Most people don't view an appliance purchase as something they will pass on to their kids anymore. It's only good as long as it keeps appearing on HGTV.
 
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Exactly. If anyone thinks it’s not possible to make a washer/dryer/TV/etc that’s lasts until the end of time, then I don’t know what to say.

It's not desirable. From 1950 through the early 2000s we had a fixed 480p resolution. You could legit own the same tv for life.

I bought a sweet 36" Sony Trinitron when I went to college. That tv was bomb proof and will last forever. But it wasn't desirable a handful of years later when 720 and then 1080 and now 4k have gone mainstream. I think I've owned four or so new TV's in the last fifteen years but not because they didn't last.

You can't even give away those type of TV's anymore.

For something like a chest freezer it'll last awhile because it's a basic piece of machinery. Everything else that we've bolted technology onto will have a shelf life because no company is going to pay developer to maintain that tech forever.

What good does it do to build a bombproof tv anymore? Short answer it doesn't.
 
Just in case this ends up getting locked I want to be sure I’m marked as present

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I buy American every day when I get my daily Big Mac meal at Mac Donald’s
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Doing a bang up job on the economy right now... that being said, now that American quality is approaching German and Japanese manufacturing it makes sense to buy American again... I bought Ford and Chevy even when their quality was down so I can say I did my part!
When my father-in-Iaw forbid us to buy anything not made in America, I once bought a VCR made in the US. Not easy to find. The Dugan-Edwards worked pretty well. Just as long as you didn’t need it to “rewind” or to “play”
 
That really doesn't stand to reason. A deep freeze has a pretty small compressor, even if its 40 years old. You shouldn't have noticed much, if any, difference in your utility bill from it.
The issue is the insulation, those old refrigerators and freezer used fiberglass insulation and once it becomes wet it settles down and the compressor motor from normal wear will all become less efficient. We figured close to $15 a month the old one cost us. It didn’t take long to have the new one paid for. I will say that I highly doubt that the new one will last 40 years. But modern appliances aren’t meant to last simply because the manufacturers would go out of business because nobody would be updating
 
The issue is the insulation, those old refrigerators and freezer used fiberglass insulation and once it becomes wet it settles down and the compressor motor from normal wear will all become less efficient. We figured close to $15 a month the old one cost us. It didn’t take long to have the new one paid for. I will say that I highly doubt that the new one will last 40 years. But modern appliances aren’t meant to last simply because the manufacturers would go out of business because nobody would be updating
There has to be something else you did to bring your utility bills down or your public utility has ridiculously high rates.

Most freezers have a 1/3rd or 1/4hp compressor, even back in the 1970s. Let's say that runs 24/7/365 and it costs 10 cents per kwh. That compressor uses .25 kwh most likely. .25kwh x .10 cents = 2.5 cents per hour. 2.5 cents per hour x 24 hours is 60 cents per day. 60 cents per day x 365 days is 219 bucks a year. This is assuming that the compressor ran all day every day. Even if you bought a brand new freezer that is energy star compliant, much smaller, and you never opened the door to it, it would cost you 50 bucks a year. This scenario is using the absolute worst case scenario for your old gigantic freezer and the best case scenario for your new one. Thats 169 bucks a year.

You probably switched to LED light bulbs at the same time or got a new AC unit, because there is no way you're saving 15 bucks a month on a freezer.
 
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There has to be something else you did to bring your utility bills down or your public utility has ridiculously high rates.

Most freezers have a 1/3rd or 1/4hp compressor, even back in the 1970s. Let's say that runs 24/7/365 and it costs 10 cents per kwh. That compressor uses .25 kwh most likely. .25kwh x .10 cents = 2.5 cents per hour. 2.5 cents per hour x 24 hours is 60 cents per day. 60 cents per day x 365 days is 219 bucks a year. This is assuming that the compressor ran all day every day. Even if you bought a brand new freezer that is energy star compliant, much smaller, and you never opened the door to it, it would cost you 50 bucks a year. This scenario is using the absolute worst case scenario for your old gigantic freezer and the best case scenario for your new one. Thats 169 bucks a year.

You probably switched to LED light bulbs at the same time or got a new AC unit, because there is no way you're saving 15 bucks a month on a freezer.
I believe we replaced the old freezer and small refrigerator at the same time. That was about 20 years ago. The combination of the two really sucked electricity. Your are correct with the old freezer but the two was very noticeable. I’ll still say $15 dollars a month savings
 
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Yah, with tools and random toys I like to buy American if its deserving of the price premium. Probably the bulk of my purchases goes towards European and Japanese brands though. The two biggest things I've invested in that are American is my home theater/speakers and my gym.

But I've never had a love of American cars. Probably will never buy one, too many other good options out there.
I've caught several lessons on buying the cheapest product. Now I tend to look for the intersection of price and strong reviews. I don't always buy from Amazon but I do usually research on there because if there's a high volume of reviews and the thing averages 4.5 stars you are probably getting a good product.

I have a very low opinion of American passenger cars. Certain makes of pickup I would trust the American brand, but for anything else I will probably always be a Honda owner. I watched enough friends' American sedans fall apart one thing after another, just slipshod manufacturing. Ex had a Jeep Liberty, it was one thing after another with that car. A window clip that must cost $0.01 to manufacture that would break and result in a $600 repair. All defective, shell out your money one opened door

I forget where I heard it but I once heard the difference in Japanese vs American auto manufacturing like this:

The Japanese asked, "How can we build it better?"
The Americans asked, "How can we build it cheaper?"

I'm in my late 30s now, I feel like I've lived through the shift from quality manufacturing to planned obsolescence in my lifetime. Somebody told me lately about a repairman or salesman saying a certain brand of fridge tends to last about 4-7 years. A refrigerator/freezer! Those things easily cost over $1,000, my parents have had the same one in their house since before I was born.

It ought to be a f***ing crime to sell an appliance for that much that dies that quickly. That's one thing I like about Honda, they don't turn around and slap you with the "caveat emptor" if something goes wrong on their vehicles.

For example our Odyssey had an engine defect that made it prone to misfiring on certain cylinders. They extended the warranty for that issue to 7 or 8 years, it occurred on our 2012 in the final year of warranty. I practically got a rebuilt engine on the thing at 70K miles.

I just put a wiring kit in it for trailer lights, you can see the forethought Honda put into giving you a proper access to fuses in the rear of the vehicle, a diagram right on the panel that is prelabeled for where trailer fuses should go, a clean run to string your wiring, easy on/off interior paneling.

I follow a mechanic sub on Reddit, they are constantly mocking and complaining about Chrysler/Fiat and their wretched quality and stupid engineering.
 
There has to be something else you did to bring your utility bills down or your public utility has ridiculously high rates.

Most freezers have a 1/3rd or 1/4hp compressor, even back in the 1970s. Let's say that runs 24/7/365 and it costs 10 cents per kwh. That compressor uses .25 kwh most likely. .25kwh x .10 cents = 2.5 cents per hour. 2.5 cents per hour x 24 hours is 60 cents per day. 60 cents per day x 365 days is 219 bucks a year. This is assuming that the compressor ran all day every day. Even if you bought a brand new freezer that is energy star compliant, much smaller, and you never opened the door to it, it would cost you 50 bucks a year. This scenario is using the absolute worst case scenario for your old gigantic freezer and the best case scenario for your new one. Thats 169 bucks a year.

You probably switched to LED light bulbs at the same time or got a new AC unit, because there is no way you're saving 15 bucks a month on a freezer.


So I have a 30 year old Carrier A/C unit in my house, I am getting a new unit this Friday, not because mine broke, but because I am on borrowed time and am undergoing a massive reno project and thought now is the time to do it....my question to you is, do you think I'll notice much difference in my electric bill?? I hope so, because one of the reasons I'm doing this while it is still working is because my electric bill is cra cra. Your opinion would be mucho appreciated!!!
 
So I have a 30 year old Carrier A/C unit in my house, I am getting a new unit this Friday, not because mine broke, but because I am on borrowed time and am undergoing a massive reno project and thought now is the time to do it....my question to you is, do you think I'll notice much difference in my electric bill?? I hope so, because one of the reasons I'm doing this while it is still working is because my electric bill is cra cra. Your opinion would be mucho appreciated!!!

Cant say with that amount of information.

How big is your house?
Are you upgrading insulation or windows?
Any idea what the SEER values are of your old and new units?
Air source heatpump or A/C?
Gas furnace?
 
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Cant say with that amount of information.

How big is your house?
Are you upgrading insulation or windows?
Any idea what the SEER values are of your old and new units?
Air source heatpump or A/C?
Gas furnace?

My house is a whopping 1250 SF
Old seer is about 5, per the pros who looked at it, new one is 13
Gas furnace, repl bout 7 years ago
No on insulation and windows, already did them two years ago so that component stays the same.
 
So I have a 30 year old Carrier A/C unit in my house, I am getting a new unit this Friday, not because mine broke, but because I am on borrowed time and am undergoing a massive reno project and thought now is the time to do it....my question to you is, do you think I'll notice much difference in my electric bill?? I hope so, because one of the reasons I'm doing this while it is still working is because my electric bill is cra cra. Your opinion would be mucho appreciated!!!
I think it will make a difference. But, also look at your water heater (if electric). Those things are big electric draws and are not too expensive to upgrade.
 
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My house is a whopping 1250 SF
Old seer is about 5, per the pros who looked at it, new one is 13
Gas furnace, repl bout 7 years ago
No on insulation and windows, already did them two years ago so that component stays the same.

Look at the model number on your AC. It'll be about 16 digits long but about 4 digits in there will be a multiple of 6. 18, 24, 30, 36. That'll tell you how many tons it is.

There's almost no possible way that a 30 year old unit is a 5 seer. Thats like 1980 level of efficiency. 13 seer is very low today and not considered high efficiency, and quite honestly I'm surprised anyone would sell you one. What brand?
 
Look at the model number on your AC. It'll be about 16 digits long but about 4 digits in there will be a multiple of 6. 18, 24, 30, 36. That'll tell you how many tons it is.

There's almost no possible way that a 30 year old unit is a 5 seer. Thats like 1980 level of efficiency. 13 seer is very low today and not considered high efficiency, and quite honestly I'm surprised anyone would sell you one. What brand?

Amana...I had two companies come out and both said 13 was the way to go....hmmmm. They both said it is probably a 2 ton unit, numbers on side are not readable anymore
 
I think it will make a difference. But, also look at your water heater (if electric). Those things are big electric draws and are not too expensive to upgrade.
We changed ours from electricity to a power vent propane, went with a smaller tank but the recovery time is much faster And considerably less money
 
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